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#57632 You know your "Sherlock" obsession is bad when...

Posted by T.o.b.y on 13 February 2015 - 10:08 PM

... when you have the following conversation with your better half:


Me: "Don't you ever cut off those curls. It's bad enough about Sherlock."

Him: "Wait - they changed his hair? You mean I now actually have an advantage over that bastard?"

Me: "Apart from being real, you mean..."

Him: "With you, I'm not quite sure whether that's an advantage or not."


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#119498 Sherlock (the BBC character)

Posted by T.o.b.y on 01 March 2017 - 09:13 PM

Okay, I've merged the two "Sherlock" character threads; resume the angst! :smile:


Thank you, Arcadia!


I don't have much angst to share, though. For me, Sherlock's character makes a lot of sense the way he was written and even though I know they didn't have series 4 in mind already when they wrote series 1, it all fits together well enough in universe to satisfy me.


The way I see it, this is basically what happened: Sherlock had great potential to be a very lonely child. Too ordinary and emotional for his brilliant siblings, too extraordinary for "normal" children. But through some stroke of good fortune, he made a friend, little Victor Trevor, and they were pirates together and the world was largely okay. Then his nutcase of a sister drowned Victor in a well and was taken off to an asylum. Sherlock, unable to bear the truth, rewrote the events in his mind, erasing Euros completely and turning her act of homicide into euthanasia performed on a dog that never existed.


After the double loss of a friend and a sister (and probably of trust in most grown-ups too, I mean, it doesn't seem like either his parents or the police did much that was helpful or that he had any kind of effective therapy), he decided that human relationships just weren't worth the pain. Emulating his brother Mycroft, who seemed more functional to him, he tried to become a creature of nothing but "pure, cold reason", which worked well enough on the surface.


For a while, he was (understandably) a mess, took a lot of drugs and made a lot of trouble for his family, probably claiming "boredom" was the reason. Mycroft and his parents indulged him a lot because (unlike him) they knew what he had been through and were afraid to lose him too the way they had lost Euros. Finally, he somehow got the idea to solve crimes for entertainment (and a living), fell in with Lestrade and Molly (or he might have known Molly from university, which is my head canon, but no matter) and found the flat in Baker Street.


Private Detective was a perfect fit for him because the occupation combined the use of his considerable powers of observation and deduction as well as the taste for adventure and (in the larger sense) romance that he had never quite shaken off with the rest of his childhood. Besides, maybe he felt, subconsciously, that if he solved enough mysteries concerning other people, he would somehow make up for his failure to solve his friend.


He was always lonely, though. I think Sherlock was probably really happiest when he was a little boy playing pirates with his best friend and when John showed up, he responded so well to him because running around London together having outrageous adventures somehow put him back there to a degree and made him feel more complete and more "right". That's my theory on why it doesn't matter during the later episodes whether John treats him particularly well or not or whether he actually any "good" as a friend; it doesn't matter. All that's needed is him being around so Sherlock can go back to being the little boy whose world was still mostly all right.


Since his emotional conflicts are about childhood relationships - loss of a playmate, trouble with family - it's also no wonder that the romantic / erotic side of things isn't of that much importance to Sherlock. He has much more basic steps to take before that ever could become a serious issue.


In the end, Sherlock really has made things right. He's solved Euros' puzzle, he's saved John where he couldn't save Victor and he can now grow into the good and great man we know from Doyle's stories. Whether romance will be the next step and if so with whom is open for debate, but honestly? Who cares. Not me. I am just happy that Sherlock is happy.



There. Are there any degrees available in amateur psychoanalysis of defenseless fictional characters? I think I could begin to qualify for one. :P


In all, it's quite a satisfying story to me. Now excuse me while I do my little happy dance because I actually got my wish with a TV series for once in my life: A timely ending that did not make me feel upset and left enough room for further speculation of all sorts. :cowdance:

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#42173 Favourite "Sherlock" Pictures, etc.

Posted by Arcadia on 05 October 2014 - 03:21 PM

Not sure where the best place for this is, but since it's taken from one of my favorite shots in the series I'm putting it here!

We had a street painting competition yesterday, near where I live. I thought you lot might enjoy seeing my entry:
I mostly did it as an in-joke, to see how many people would realize what it was. Most people were clueless but several of the 20-somethings that walked by got it, and a few of the 10-somethings. A lot of them guessed it was Dr. Who at first.
Alas it didn't win (a space octopus did) but I had lots of nice comments. And a couple of people seriously wanted me to come paint their driveways... !?!!?! If they hadn't assumed I would do it for free, I might've...... :smile:
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#62509 Is John really Sherlock's best friend?

Posted by T.o.b.y on 24 March 2015 - 08:30 PM

Oh, dear Doctor is also quite disfunctional.


YES! Finally, someone besides me is saying it! I have from the very beginning never understood why anybody thinks of John as either "kind", "caring", "cuddly" nor "normal". I think he's a pretty damaged individual and has some serious issues, above all with emotion and displays of emotion. No wonder all his relationships before Mary were failures.


Sherlock and John are a lot more alike, at least in the "sociopath" department, than is often claimed, at least that's the way I see them. Why else would they get along so well? And I maintain that they do get along well, in their very own weird fashion.


I ask all your forgiveness in advance if the following makes no sense, because I am exhausted, dizzy, struggling with a virus and have a ton of tedious, hideous real life issues to deal with right now. But I will try to argue that John is indeed Sherlock's best friend (or at least the closest thing to a best friend Sherlock will ever have), and I will base my claim on a favorite quote from one of Jane Austen's heroes: "A man who felt less might have said more."


Compare John's and Lestrade's reactions to Sherlock's return. Who would you say was more affected? I'd say John. Now, what does John Watson MD do when he finds himself dealing with some very strong emotion? It seems to me from what we have seen of him before that when in doubt, he resorts to anger. Heck, even at Sherlock's grave he told Mrs Hudson "I'm angry", and at that point, he did not even know that Sherlock had fooled him in the cruelest manner possible.


Of course John is entitled to anger. Boy, is he ever entitled to anger when Sherlock marches back into his little world "as large as bloody life" and demands to be admired for his cleverness in faking a horrific suicide. In fact, I would not have blamed John if he had never spoked to Sherlock ever again. I also think that what he says to Mary about his forgiving her not meaning that he is not still pissed and it will show at times refers to his experience with Sherlock. When they have that conversation, John already knows what it is like to forgive a loved one who commits a breach of trust so momentous that it is actually unforgivable, and I do believe, since this series always has been more about John and Sherlock than any other relationship, that the lines were written with Sherlock in mind. Heck, the whole marriage disaster between Mary and John serves to illustrate the friendship disaster between the boys. John is incapable of forming deep bonds with nice, normal, wholesome people; he is, because of the way he is and the experiences he had made, drawn to a certain type of person whom he can connect with on some unholy level but who necessarily ends up hurting and betraying him because of that very darkness that made the connection possible.


So, one reason why John doesn't behave exactly affectionately towards Sherlock in series 3, apart from him not being at all a demonstratively affectionate person and always afraid of being mistaken for gay, is probably that he's still pissed off at him, forgiveness or no forgiveness. And he's all the more angry because he has strong feelings for Sherlock, strong platonic feelings, mind you (at least that's my interpretation), and those we love most have the most power to hurt us.


The other reason I think is that John really, truly believes in Sherlock Holmes and continues to do so when everybody else, his own wife included, has learned to see through him. For John, Sherlock is a hero, someone bordering on superhuman. It doesn't occur to him that he might be unable to solve a puzzle, that he might not have a plan or that he might be internally bleeding. John constantly forgets that Sherlock is human, and he becomes upset, to the point where he's hilariously accusatory about it, when it turns out that Sherlock is as frail and fallible as the rest of us. Personally, I think those moments scare John. He looks up to Sherlock as his "commanding officer" (that line and the Sholto comparison were not strewn in for nothing), and as an army man who tends to rely on hierarchy and the stability it brings, when his commanding officer is out of his depths, that means the situation is really dire, and he becomes scared, and when John is actually scared or sad, it comes out as anger.


So, my point is, if I have one, that the main reason why John behaves the way he does towards Sherlock is that he loves him, and that leads to intense hurt and also an idolization which borders on ridiculous. I do not think sexual attraction has anything to do with it, except that John is all the more wary of showing how much Sherlock means to him because he's been made self-conscious and embarrassed by the many people who have mistaken them for a couple, and also because he's not quite sure whether Sherlock might not be gay, and he doesn't want to give him any wrong ideas which would lead to intense awkwardness and spoil their boy time fun.


Is the person who loves you most automatically your best friend? I don't know. But if John isn't Sherlock's best friend, then who? I suppose a case could be made for Molly. Only I don't get the impression Sherlock thinks of her that way. He tried, and it didn't work. He ended up calling her "John". I think for Sherlock, John is his best friend, or at least the closest thing to a best friend he can ever have. And that's what counts, probably. At least it's as good a definition as any.


(Boy, I do hope nobody involved with the show ever stumbles to this corner of the internet and reads my insane amateur psychoanalysis of their characters. Thank god they're probably way too busy to waste their time with that kind of thing. Although they must have based the people in Anderson's little fan club on somebody...)

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#60068 You know your "Sherlock" obsession is bad when...

Posted by T.o.b.y on 04 March 2015 - 07:50 PM

I can't fan girl?


Yes, you can, and I suggest you continue to do so to your heart's content. I'll be happy to aid and abet you! (What else have I ever done around here? :blink: I thought that was what we were all doing.)


:lol: You know your Sherlock obsession is really bad when you stop to think about what exactly it is you are doing on a Sherlock-related fan forum...


But in all seriousness, I first came to this page because I viewed it as a place to discuss the current BBC Sherlock series.  Now, I dunno what the original intent was this for this site, but I just avoid the sections that don't apply to me (other versions or ACD areas) because I can't contribute to them and I wouldn't have the foggiest what people are talking about anyhow.  I do still intend to read the original stories at some point, but I don't feel like not having read ACD has hampered my ability to understand and follow the current BBC series at all.  Now maybe it has, and I don't realize what I don't know in relation to the current series?  I dunno.  But it hasn't kept me from enjoying the new series. 


That's what I thought was the case with most people who came to the series with no prior knowledge of the source. I think it shows how well written it is. While it's very satisfying for a Doyle reader to spot all the references and creative twists on old plots and characters, and while a knowledge of the original stories probably helps in understanding some creative choices (like what happened with Magnussen), the series can stand perfectly well on its own.


I have no idea what the original intent for the site was either, but I strongly suspect it was fun, and if so, it's doing a great job. Personally, I regard you all as my Sherlock addiction support group and am very grateful for your existence and participation, be it serious or silly, critical or fawning, friendly or confrontational.


:hugz: to all.

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#28571 Favourite "Sherlock" Pictures, etc.

Posted by Bakerstreet Irregular on 29 May 2014 - 04:05 PM

I thought this one was interesting.




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#42283 Themes and Through-lines

Posted by Boton on 06 October 2014 - 01:59 PM

I'm casually doing yet another rewatch, this time backwards.  I often do this with shows that I want to analyze rather than just be entertained by, because it seems to highlight character development for me.  Anyway, I thought it would be fun to have a thread to talk about themes that emerged and were developed throughout S3.


I'll start with the theme of Sherlock's understanding of and actual practice of friendship.  Throughout S3, we see that Mycroft and Sherlock never had many friends, first by accident as children, then by being isolated by their intelligence, and later by choice.  Mycroft has been the enforcer on this, as he emphasizes to Sherlock his disdain for forming any kind of attachment to anyone or anything and his feeling that this is a weakness, an attitude that Sherlock has adopted.  But what do we see happen in S3?


The Empty Hearse:  Here, Sherlock's understanding of friendship is at its most infantile.  In fact, I think the writers make him regress a little bit so we can see the trajectory develop, although it pleases me to instead imagine that two years getting the pulp beaten out of you by Moriarty's network while you're on solo mission could make anyone socially regress.  But here he starts by thinking that everyone in his life will stay static.  He's frankly amazed that John can't laugh off his reappearance.  And even when he (quickly, to his credit) realizes that he's wrong, he thinks an apology is going to fix it.  ("I said I'm sorry; isn't that what you're supposed to do?")


Of course, he gets this attitude from his exposure to Mycroft.  They say that siblings are people's first friends; while I don't know that Sherlock and Mycroft were ever "friends," there is a constancy to family that you don't get anywhere else.  Sherlock can disappear off the grid for months or years, and when he comes back his relationship with Mycroft will still be the same prickly, contentious thing it ever has been.  He expects that his friendship with John will be the same.


The Sign of Three:  So by TSoT, he realizes that he has a completely different animal here in the form of his friendship with John, and he doesn't want to do this wrong.  Luckily, being an honor attendant at a wedding is one of the best-scripted friendship roles in the entire world.  What does your best friend (best man) do?  He helps the groom with any planning, throws the stag night, reads the telegrams,makes the speech, and dances with the chief bridesmaid.  It's all there in the book.  We see a few wonderful flashes of genuine friendship, such as some of the wonderful speech quotes, the discussion with Mary about her pregnancy, and the composition of the first dance waltz, but otherwise, Sherlock is trying to be the best friend possible without having any organic understanding or practice of how that really works.  He just knows that he's been informed that John considers him his best friend, and he's not going to muck this up.


His Last Vow:  Which sets us up so nicely for HLV.  By this point, Sherlock doesn't need instructions.  Certain friends you are willing to live and die for.  John is one of those friends, and Sherlock is going to move heaven and earth to make sure that he's not hurt.  It isn't just the idea of recovering from asystole and living "for" John, it's also the goodbye before the exile.  This time, Sherlock is going to postpone John's grieving as long as possible by not admitting that he's off on a suicide mission.  This time, he knows what his death would mean.  (And I believe John knows full well the broad outlines of the danger, if not the specifics.)  So this is a truly adult and evolved sense of friendship.  


Kind of fun to take the three episodes as one continuous "movie."  What does everyone else see thematically?

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#115925 You know your "Sherlock" obsession is bad when...

Posted by Redbeard on 27 January 2017 - 12:22 AM

So, yeah, you know your Sherlock obsession is bad when...


I work at a newspaper and one of the reporters there is named, John Wagner.  A lady came in asking for the name of the reporter that did a particular story and out of my mouth apparently came "John Watson".  I said it about three times before I heard him calling from around the corner "It's Wagner!"  lol.  I have only been there for 8 years! But I hear the name John (especially John "w") and I guess my mind was clearly on other things today! 


Had to edit this because I got his name wrong again...lol..I suck. 

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#99831 Episode 3.1, "The Empty Hearse"

Posted by Van Buren Supernova on 19 June 2016 - 04:19 AM

How do you guys think Sherlock revealed himself to the public when he came back?

Maybe he just casually hang around some famous landmark, waiting to be seen?
Or went to troll Old Bailey and solve cases right then and there, or ensure people being hanged?

But doesn't he like to be dramatic, a spectacle?

I'm waiting for rain, so decided to have some fun (=doing something useless)

Maybe this?

with a couple of remarks

and personal family messenge

some monumental outstanding sherlock's compliment

and of course heartwarming ones
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#98264 Speedy's Cafe - General Chat about anything you like!

Posted by Fantasy Lover on 29 May 2016 - 06:27 PM

It's a girl, her name is Julie f3fddbf3d6d98e9b0ca83c013db847b7.jpg
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#72362 Subtext Interpretation... What Do You See?

Posted by T.o.b.y on 14 June 2015 - 09:45 AM


Still I don't see any other evidence (beside Mofftiss poking fun at us), and the only thing that will convince me, is to see it on the screen in an unambiguous scene. Like them both riding into the sunset on a bike, dragging a lot of empty bins and pink balloons with JUST MARRIED on them.




If they ever marry off Sherlock to anyone, I will stop watching (unless it's a fake wedding for a case, that might be funny).


But I do understand the fervent wish for two fictional characters to get together, and I have a lot of sympathy for "shippers" of (almost) all pairings. I think Sherlock does a really good job of giving everyone their little tidbits and leaving the rest to our imaginations. That way, each can see what they want and we all stay happy.


I was just thinking... personally, Sherlock and John remind me of two guys I know at work. They went to university together and have the same specialty, they have been working together for years and they're really attuned to each other's job routine. And they constantly make jokes about how their working relationship is like a marriage and how they're like an old couple. They're  both happily married (to women), but I do think they spend more time with each other at work than with their families, and they're happy with that (I hope the families are happy as well... I know one of the wives and she certainly has never complained in public).


Being part of a really good team (of two or more) is one of the most fulfilling experiences I know. It's not the same as friendship or a relationship, but it's a bond that's not to be underestimated.

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#70783 What *really* happened in Karachi?

Posted by Boton on 02 June 2015 - 04:03 PM

OK, I'm going to go with this:  Sherlock indeed brandishes that sword at the terrorists but manages to threaten/deduce them into fleeing without him actually having to take a life.  He grabs Irene's hand, and they run off to relative safety, wherever that may be.  Once there, the adrenaline gets the better of both of them, and they have a mad, passionate, "very loving," life-affirming...encounter.  As Sherlock is then leaning back in the afterglow, Irene pulls a gun and holds him at gunpoint while she dresses in his clothes and escapes into the night.


There.  Gatiss, Cumberbatch, and Moffat, all in agreement.

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#70770 What *really* happened in Karachi?

Posted by J.P. on 02 June 2015 - 03:25 PM

Fans ->  wacko2.gifcry1.gifpanic2.gifgaah.gif


Steven -> hyenas.gif <- Mark

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#66365 Episode 3.3, "His Last Vow"

Posted by Shadow Dweller on 04 May 2015 - 01:00 AM


Both of you, keep a cool head each and remember that this is an international community. Remember that everything that came out from your mind into this forum also reflect the depth of your experience on dealing with people from varied backgrounds and cultures.
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#64375 Shoot The Wall (A.k.a. The Rant Thread)

Posted by T.o.b.y on 11 April 2015 - 06:44 PM

I have a rant that's actually a plea: Please, please, please never ever say "he / she can't understand you anyway" about someone and then continue to talk about him / her in the person's presence as if the human being in question were an inanimate object. Just don't do that. No matter how "retarded" the person is. Even if he / she gives off the impression of being a human vegetable, it is still rude and disrespectful and if I am in the room, I will get very angry and upset. If you are someone's spokesperson, please pretend the person you are speaking for can hear and understand what you say about them. If you are unsure whether someone can hear and / or understand you, talk kindly and politely anyway. It can't hurt, and your voice and manner might be beneficial. It makes sense to use simple sentences with people who have low intelligence, or to speak loud and clear with people who are hard of hearing, but there's no need to talk to grown-ups as if they were babies, either.


Just treat everybody with respect for their dignity as human beings. Thank you.


(Sorry, but that needed out. I have had a rough day and I am like John a bit in that my compassion often takes the shape of anger.)

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#56359 You know your "Sherlock" obsession is bad when...

Posted by T.o.b.y on 07 February 2015 - 09:24 PM

I sort of have to keep my obsession to myself.  Either my friends haven't seen the show and wouldn't get the obsession, or if they have seen it, they haven't SEEN it, so they haven't SEEN it, and why bother with them.


I don't know any other Sherlock fans either. My husband tolerates it, but I think he secretly rues the day he introduced me to the series by accident (my sister in law taped it for him when it aired on German TV, because he was originally the one who wanted to see it and I had to be convinced and bribed with the promise of seeing Martin Freeman whom I knew from The Office to be a superb actor - husband didn't think much of this modern thing, and I fell deeply, madly, irrevocably in love). My friends think it's too tame and childish, they watch stuff like Game of Thrones and whatever that zombie thing is called. For my parents, it's too mainstream, and for most other people I am acquainted with, not mainstream enough.


Actually, this makes me kind of happy. Because Sherlock is my thing. All my life, my entertainment has kind of been chosen for me. I always went with what my family and friends liked. Sherlock is the first work I learned to love on my own and share with nobody.


I'm just glad I found you guys to share all the speculating and analyzing with. That way, nobody around me has to suffer from my obsession...

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#55503 You know your "Sherlock" obsession is bad when...

Posted by Boton on 03 February 2015 - 09:38 PM

I actually did say, "That's what people do!" one time recently.  I was able to stop myself in the middle enough to finish the sentence in a normal tone of voice instead of giving the full Moriarty delivery.

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#37731 Episode 1.1, "A Study In Pink"

Posted by sherlockandjohn on 31 August 2014 - 08:05 AM

Wow. Watched this episode again last night, and I had this weird feeling of almost watching it for the first time. I very rarely get that feeling about something I've watched... I don't know... maybe 14-15 times. Perhaps it has to do with having been so preoccupied lately with series 3, which has a very different feel to it; much more emotional. Not that 'A Study in Pink' is unemotional at all, just not "Sherlock-returning-from-the-dead" emotional. So, I watched it again, and got impressed - again - with the story of these two men, and how they connect (despite Sherlock's infuriatingly possesive behavior. I noticed how he first says, "there was no hurry," regarding John's arrival at Baker St., and then seconds later is pestering the man to send the text, and apparently now it can't go fast enough! Jerk  :angry:  :D ). I wonder why Sherlock thinks he can get away with telling John what to do all the time, but then again, I suppose he's used to that with everyone. Look at the text he sends from John's phone: "If brother has green ladder, arrest brother". Sure, let's do that! Never mind evidence. Sherlock speaks, and people (well, some people) act. And if they don't, then they're just stupid, in Sherlock's eyes, and he can't be bothered with them. John, however, is clearly taken in by Sherlock's brilliance. Isn't it odd that he trusts him so quickly? But maybe it's the combination of Sherlock working on the good side, and the man's brilliance, that earns John's devotion.


It occurred to me how right John is in his assessment of their chase around London: "That was the most ridiculous thing I've ever done". Those two men are mad! Jumping from roof to roof, throwing themselves in front of cars. Insane. I'm starting to think that Sherlock is right in His Last Vow. John is abnormally attracted to danger. I feel bad for him when Mrs. Hudson says, "you're more the sitting down type, I can tell." Yeah, right!


The two men fit, but from a distance it wouldn't appear that way. It's funny that Stamford even brings up Sherlock when talking about a flatshare. One would think that living with Sherlock is impossible. I think that Stamford guy is quite smart, actually... Smart enough to put up with Sherlock, and to give the two men a chance, even though they don't seem a natural fit. (Who would seem a natural fit with Sherlock, anyway?)


'Pink' is a clever mystery, too; an intricate pattern of clues spread here and there. Best of all, the story is put together in a way that allows John to save Sherlock's life, and thereby establish a firm foundation for their friendship.


It's just woven together so perfectly; the mystery and the character drama. It is magical. It starts out quite subdued and a little sad, and it ends up with the foundation of a new friendship that is bound to change the lives of both men. That's what I love the most about this episode. Apart, Sherlock and John's lives are somewhat empty. Together, they find what they each need the most.


The drugs bust scene is one of the finest moments for Lestrade as well as for Sherlock. Oh, and Lestrade was actually the first to call Sherlock a child. "Well, I'm dealing with a child," he says, when Sherlock gets upset about the drugs bust. Sherlock has some great lines in this scene. The "high-functioning sociopath" one, "Anderson, don't talk out loud, you lower the IQ of the whole street", "Is it nice not being me? It must be so relaxing", "She's cleverer than you lot, and she's dead!" I could go on. His erratic behavior really stands out.


I wasn't sure for a while that I still loved this episode as much as I used to... I think the emotional impact of series 3 was stronger... but yesterday cleared my doubts. This is close to being the best episode of them all. Gosh, it's just brilliant!

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#28780 Jeremy Brett

Posted by Bakerstreet Irregular on 02 June 2014 - 06:05 PM

A video compilation of Mr. Brett's very athletic Sherlock Holmes.




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#106266 The Cute Animal Pics/Videos Thread

Posted by hann156 on 28 September 2016 - 12:40 PM

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My dear felines, always so beautiful. <3

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