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I think that was the general idea . . It just so happened that our Leaderboard debuted at the very same time as the Winter Olympics. Hey, we have infinite do-overs and weather is not a consideration. We can drink coffee and eat snacks while 'competing'. This, I like.

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Of course, there need to be people doing his legwork!

Geez, now she writes in her brain's source code! Better send help.

Get in line, Janyss!

Are we at Olympics now, or what?

There is no helping her now.

Well there’s implausible like the men surviving Eurus blowing up Baker Street or the premise of the show and then there’s implausible in terms of the alternative reality they’ve set up. Like Sherlock not having any clue that Mary was a liar until she shot him. Some might like to think that was a complicated clever twist but I thought that was ridiculous and dumb. They made the characters dumb to fit a plot. Same with Mycroft not having any clue that Eurus was getting out of Sherrinford and had taken it over. Same with how it was supposed to make sense that John would marry a liar assassin because he likes danger. I don’t find those moments interesting and wonderfully complicated, I shake my head and think WTF?

Oh well, the whole premise of Sherlock Holmes is implausible. An amateur detective who solves crimes that are "too difficult" for the police? Pshaw! Besides, I'm afraid I share Sherlock's weakness: I want everything to be clever.

I find it especially amusing that now we have reputations…

I think John still cares about Mary at that point, but he's past the first flush of idealistic romantic love for her. He knows what she's capable of, and how very wrong he was about her. She was not, after all, the sweet nurse/receptionist he met at work, given that it seems probable in hindsight that Mary purposely cultivated Janine as a contact and faked a best friendship relationship with her that led to her being the maid of honor at the wedding. (Unbeknownst to each other, Mary and Sherlock were both using Janine for precisely the same reason--insider access to CAM)--because it can't be a complete accident that out of all the girls in London, Mary's best gal pal *just happens to be* CAM's personal assistant. Somebody has suggested the intriguing theory that Janine was a mole for CAM, and it was actually she who ingratiated herself with Mary and then Sherlock, not the other way 'round. I actually like this theory very much. It sounds like something CAM would do. He is as brilliant, perhaps more so, than Sherlock Holmes, and both men are in the game of information-gathering, just from opposite sides. Also, Janine seemed like kind of a man-crazy dumb bunny at first, but I think we saw the real J. in the hospital, confronting SH about his many lies. She was cool and collected . . very rational. If she were a man-crazy dumb bunny for real she'd have been a lot more unhinged at SH's betrayal. What are the chances, really, that the woman calling herself Mary Morstan, CIA-trained wet ops specialist on the run from her past and inhabiting an entirely constructed identity would, entirely by coincidence, wind up working in the same small clinic as John Watson, well-known compatriot and confidante of Sherlock Holmes, the tragically deceased consulting detective? The longer one spends with Sherlock Holmes, the less tends to believe in coincidences. All couples weather storms and learn ugly truths about each other that morphs the first blush of infatuation and Eros into something that's been tested and matured. The passage of time alone will do that, and shared experiences that are positive as well as negative. But for the Watsons, this process was massively accelerated. By the Christmas scene, they've only been a couple for maybe a year? Sherlock was absent for two years, but in Watson's truncated proposal, he said "I know it hasn't been long". Maybe he'd only known her for six months. He wouldn't have been ready for a new relationship after SH's 'death' for a good while. So perhaps a little more than a year after they met, John's just learned one of the more devastating pieces of information about his beloved that anyone could dream up, and he's processing that along with the angst about imminently becoming a family. I suppose that speech he makes marks the moment that he has decided to put the past behind them and forgive her . . but his love for her will be forever changed from what it was by what she has done. He is genuinely torn up when she dies . . but how much of that grief is mourning for the death of the love and life he *thought* he was going to have with her--and the knowledge that his daughter has been deprived of her mother? It's interesting that Moffat decided to introduce a baby into this. I can't help wondering--if there was no Rosie in the picture, if Mary had not been pregnant when he discovered the truth about her, would he have stayed married? The baby ups the stakes. If John had been free to leave, would he have?

With friends like that, who needs enemies, eh? An alternative reason for why Mycroft seems to hold no grudge against Mary: What if Sherlock told Mycroft that she was the one who shot him, but claimed that it was largely his own fault -- "She warned me not to take another step or she'd shoot -- but I was still seeing her as John's sweet little wife, so I didn't take her seriously." I think Mycroft would find that perfectly logical. (And I think that's more or less the way I interpret Sherlock's attitude toward her.)

I don’t know who you are talking about or see why it’s a big deal either. Apparently everyone thought I was male in the beginning, didn’t bother me.

Thanks for that Carol. You’re just feeding the nerdiness👍 Im just about to ‘sign out’ and I’ve just noticed that the only two members on here at the moment are Herlock Sholmes and Moriarty! Should I leave a note for Watson? 😀

I have no idea who you two are talking about. I ususally assume that a user on here is a lady if I receive no other information, just because it is statistically more likely in an online fan forum. Why is it so embarrassing though to have guessed wrong? Doesn't seem like a big deal to me...

Here's the link -- you can search for either all people (including actors) who are associated with two specified titles, or all titles that two specified people were both involved with in any capacity. (Since there's also a regular search bar at the top, this is the page that I've bookmarked for IMDb.)

I agree. Sherlock accuses John of being the "romantic," but when it comes to fighting fate, he's pretty much the romantic himself.

That's me, frantically looking for a place to hide before you come and smite me.

I have yet to encounter the elusive Mr. Dabbler, but I daresay I have seen his photo and he has an extremely handsome green head. He should come round here more often.

Well, I’m a bit stunned. I just had an hour or so spare so I checked through the Fawlty Towers lengthy cast list and checked their cv’s for Holmes links. I know...more than a bit nerdy. Actors that appeared in Fawlty Towers and a 70’s TV series called The Rivals Of Sherlock Holmes: Jay Neill / Stuart Sherwin / Brenda Cowling / Aimee Delamain / Anthony Davies / Terence Conoley/ Bruce Boa / John Quarmby / James Cossins / Actors that appeared in Fawlty Towers and the Sir Arthur Conan Doyle TV series: Raymond Mason / Kathleen Heath / James Appleby / Andre Maranne / Actors that appeared in Fawlty Towers and the TV series The Baker Street Boy’s: Pat Keen Actors that appeared in Fawlty Towers and the Geoffrey Whitehead Holmes TV series: Norman Bird. Actors that appeared in Fawlty Towers and the Douglas Wilmer Holmes series: Beatrice Shaw / Allan Cuthbertson / Diana King / Martin Wyldeck / Actors that appeared in Fawlty Towers and the Brett Holmes series: Robin Ellis / Steve Plytas / Conrad Phillips / Richard Caldicott / Actors that appeared in Fawlty Towers and the Holmes vs The Ripper movie Murder By Decree: Iris Fry./ In a total series cast list of 117 I make it 31 actors with a Holmes connection. This means that 26.5% of the cast of a 12 episode series have a Holmes connection. Do I win Holmes nerd of the year👍

The signature is back. Cheers Tim. I like the new format Tim. New things always take a while to get used to. Especially if you’re a caveman like me. I just tried a smiley emoji from my keyboard and it won’t accept it so it looks like it’s something to do with my pad maybe? It’s not important at all. I’ll use the ones one here. oh ......I say old chap Just to add....well done Tim....an edit function that will save me from the dreaded predictive text.

Aaaaaah… And nope, you don't have to answer to that.

I think this is another aspect that suffered from the desire to get things wrapped up by the end of S4. I think we were supposed to take John at his word in HLV that he was willing to keep Mary's past in the past and work on their marriage, and his frustration and infidelity was an inexcusable reaction to being a new dad and suddenly tied down. But then they had to overlay that with a rushed plot where Mary's "freelancing" is discovered to be at least in part something heroic she was doing for Mycroft, and there's a whole lot that should have been said/shown that was elided for speed. That's unfortunate.