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bedelia1984 last won the day on February 5 2017

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About bedelia1984

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    Detective Chief Superintendent

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    Dublin, Ireland
  • Interests
    I love murder mysteries. I like authors like Donna Tartt and Kate Atkinson. Leonard Cohen is my favourite songwriter. I also love art, especially painting and drawing.
  • Favorite series 1 episode
    The Great Game
  • Favourite Series 2 Episode
    The Reichenbach Fall
  • Favourite Series 3 Episode
    The Empty Hearse
  • Favourite series 4 episode
    The Lying Detective
  1. Molly Hooper

    This is a pet peeve of mine as well. Some shows are much worse than others though. Catherine on CSI and Beckett on Castle are ones that come to mind as classic offenders. Speaking of that article and CSI, that’s the only American show I can think of a with a Sherlolly shipper type of appeal in Grissom/Sara. I definitely don’t think the plain girl getting an extraordinary anti-hero man is common in American TV. Then again I don’t think anti-hero’s are that common in American TV. Usually it’s the classic good vs. evil, at least in crime shows. Yes, they were definitely two who came to mind- especially Beckett. I can see Grissom and Sara- well actually I can see it in the sense that I imagine it was quite controversial with the fans too, and also because the male lead is so unique and beloved that the fans feel very strongly about who he should end up with. He even had his own Irene- Lady Heather. I've actually noticed the same, and it is quite hard to know why- but a lot of the most adored british actresses are probably the character actresses- people like Maggie Smith and Judi Dench. It always surprised me, for example, that Colin Firth was such a runaway success after Pride and Prejudice and Jennifer Ehle didn't get much of a look in? She's still a very pretty actress, but apparently the English rose type just doesn't have that box office draw in Hollywood? I think Grissom wasn't quite extraordinary, but he had that quality on TV that is almost better- where there is something indefinable about the character that causes people to warm to him even when he's not the most like-able in terms of his actions. This reminds me what I didn't always like about Grissom/ Sara- he could be very stodgy and controlling, so I felt like that type of age gap relationship was prone to bring out his worst qualities. Now, I thought it played nicely onscreen for the most part- especially because Petersen is a very strong performer and managed to make it not seem weird. And about Beckett- that performance was part of the problem there, I think, the character was just a bit inauthentic in appearance and behaviour.
  2. Molly Hooper

    Is that last bit true? I don't see enough British TV to make that call, but I haven't noticed it so much on the things I have watched. But then, when I see Brit TV at all it's usually crime drama, the girls usually wind up either dead or in jail. :P I 100% agree- with the quotes, on my phone so will read the article later. I see the comparisons with Austen, Bronte, Bleak House... And it doesn't hurt that LB shares qualities with many of the actresses in those period BBC pieces. I would also see some comparison to Scully in the X files with Molly. But British dramas especially just make their heroines differently and I think it's seen more as a sign of cool to not care how pretty you look (Helen Mirren in Prime Suspect, the heroine of Happy Valley, etc) as opposed to a cry for help from your fairy godmother. It's actually a pet hate of mine on American TV to see female detectives totter on high heels with giant heads of hairsprayed hair and about an inch of makeup on. For me, that rings false. Not that you can't look like a fashion model and solve crimes, but something about them and the large numbers of them onscreen feels false.
  3. Molly Hooper

    What makes you think Sherlock had genuine feelings for her though? The only time that Sherlock was himself around her was in the hospital and he was quite unaffected by the whole thing so it would seem his feelings were superficial at best, more like she was fun girl to be around but rather indifferent otherwise. Everything else was an act if you go by the hospital scene. Or just look at how he talked about her to John. “Convenient to meet her at the wedding” which I always took as he knew who she was from the beginning and started the act off the bat. I thought that when he met her at the wedding he didn't know she worked for Magnussen straight away, and that he liked her then. Purely from BC's performance- things like the look he gave her on the dancefloor before leaving the wedding looking a bit forlorn (and when he threw her that flower, or whatever it was), and during their flirty exchanges. It seemed like she was the one to make the first move with him- the best man/maid of honor jokes etc, which was why I thought at that time he didn't know it was her and was genuinely at least taken enough with her to have a more friendly chat that he generally does with the normals. I'm not sure Sherlock is the type that considers many a 'fun girl to be around'- so I still think it's special that he clicked with her- but it's just part of my reading of the character, I can understand others differing.
  4. Molly Hooper

    Why would she have done the opposite? I’m not sure i follow your logic. I meant, why if she is only seeing Sherlock to get info for Magnussen why would she let him in to the office, which seems to have the opposite effect- i.e. getting Sherlock info on Magnussen instead? And she's risking herself getting fired as well, strange for a proposal she sees as a bit of fun, to go to that length for it? Given that Sherlock didn’t feel remotely guilty for anything he did (it was even in the direction of that scene in the script that he had no shame) then why would him not sleeping with her have to be for gentleman reasons? It could simply be he didn’t want to, yes? Of course, anything's possible, for me it's not what I believe based on what I saw of their scenes- but I can see why you might think so.
  5. Molly Hooper

    Oh yeah, the consent issues would have been crazy. I've already noticed that if you look back at shows from the 90s and watch them in the post #metoo era, consent issues are rife. I've been re-watching The X files and there is at least one clunker when it comes to that. It's amazing how much views have changed since then. It's probably weird to speculate to this degree over something that didn't happen- but say if Sherlock had slept with her, and we'd known about it? That would have been, if you take Janine and how it affected her out of it, a pretty shocking development. Presumably Janine had a fairly normal sex life and had had a few partners, perhaps, whereas for Sherlock it would have been quite the anomaly. I wonder how he would have felt about their comparitive levels of experience? He doesn't seem like a character who enjoys feeling out of his depth. The decision for him not to, of course, was all about what it would do to his character, the idea that Sherlock Holmes sees the body as merely transport, and yet also is too chivalrous to take advantage of women... he sure has a lot of reasons not to have sex. They were never going to go there, especially not just for a plot device.
  6. Molly Hooper

    Yes, in a way that (not sleeping with her) redeems him, though arguably he just felt too guilty about what he knew was a lie to take things any further? Because I don't believe he had zero interest in Janine: there was chemistry there. But the fact he didn't sleep with her- perhaps because he'd know she'd feel used later, to me also shows he knew he was in questionable territory. There's still something annoying paternalistic about that- I'll protect her feminine feelings so that she won't feel as used when she finds out I actually did use her for good, logical, manly reasons. Ugh.
  7. Molly Hooper

    That's true- she could have been lying and still been angry (though I don't see it in the character or the writing, personally) Added to them loving to lord their cleverness over the fans, there is also that little smidge of Moffat taking some pleasure in having Sherlock act like a cad and get away with it- Sherlock's insults in Scandal, his treatment of Janine- I think there is a small part of Moffat that actually likes the idea of a male hero who can get away with treating women poorly and they still want him- this weird boys will be boys and girls will love them anyway thing, which for me sometimes comes across in his writing. In fact, it's almost like he thinks it's a bit of a Bond-like trait- you know, treat them mean, keep them keen? I'm not a fan of that attitude; it is tempered by other aspects of the show and writing- but it's there. For me, Janine is more irksome that Molly because this is the sum total of how Sherlock deals with her, and it's all bad. Yikes. But yes, Moffat may actually think that. And then you've got Irene, an ideal of a slightly different kind, but again, very much available for whatever men might want, with little insight into what else makes her character tick, or whether she can genuinely enjoy it (as a lesbian?!) Did they have a relationship? Who proposes or accepts a marriage proposal over an intercom? They had a relationship, yes, whether it was casual or not is open for interpretation, but they were spending time together, they were affectionate towards each other, she was familiar with his home.. And I don't think she accepted, but rather let him upstairs- so maybe she wouldn't have, maybe she thought it was a joke- to me it's one of those scenarios where she was probably incredulous but intrigued- but she liked him and was interested enough to let him in, in a situation where had she been working with Magnussen against Sherlock she surely would have done exactly the opposite?
  8. Molly Hooper

    All Magnussen had to is say when you meet Sherlock Holmes at the wedding see what you can find out about him. That doesn’t have to be anything about sex just simply befriending like Mary and Janine did since Magnussen is always looking for information on people which should come as no surprise if she’s his assistant. It could be that after she met Sherlock that she liked him and the rest was her choice. I’ve seen that storyline on several shows and movies. Mr and Mrs Smith had a very similar storyline, for example. Again, that doesn't gel with what I saw onscreen- why does Janine make an issue of the fact Sherlock lied to her, if she was doing the same? Especially after he's been exposed in his lies, and their relationship is dead in the water, and there is nothing left to gain by speaking to him? What is the point of that scene at all, if their relationship was just a bit of fun for both of them, if they were both complicit in the dishonesty? I found it a bit unusual that they brought Janine back, actually, and the only reason for it I could see was because it was another time where they realised that actually Sherlock's treatment of a woman was something that couldn't just be brushed off, that he needed to be challenged on it.
  9. Molly Hooper

    There's still the question of when she became aware of that though, isn't there? It's not clear (at least to me) if she knew all along that Sherlock would never marry her (or that she would never marry Sherlock), or if it's only something she's realized afterwards, in hindsight. (Granted, I haven't read the script, so maybe I'm missing something.) I think on my initial viewing of the scene, I just thought those lines were a bit of banter, like when I hear people say something like, "When are you going to _____?" "When the Vikings win the Super Bowl." "But that's never going to happen!" That was totally my reading of the scene too. I thought Janine was saying that in retrospect that obviously wasn't going to happen. Part of the reason this doesn't sit well with me is the exchange between Janine and Sherlock about sex- where she mentions it would have been nice (I think?) and he says he was saving himself for marriage (right before the other exchange we've interpreted differently about how it wasn't going to happen). I actually can't believe he was enough of a cad to make a marriage joke to her after the fake engagement too! Geez. I'm just reading Ariana DeVere's transcript and semi-seething at some of the Moffatisms: JANINE (looking angrily at him): Sherlock Holmes, you are a back-stabbing, heartless, manipulative bastard. (Sherlock presses the button on a remote on the bed and the top of his bed rises, pushing him into more of a sitting position.) SHERLOCK: And you – as it turns out – are a grasping, opportunistic, publicity-hungry tabloid whore. How can he possibly call her an opportunistic tabloid whore (!!!!!!), when he was the true opportunist? And the way they have Janine partly play it off as in 'we're good'- though she does adjust his morphine, and good for her, in my view, that's total, Moffat, she probably went off and shagged someone 101. Ugh. To me- if we take Janine at her word, and for one I do think she's sincere, this makes her a bit vulnerable- she was spending time with him and wanted something physical, and he wasn't being forthcoming, but she was still interested in him, as a person, enough to be spending time with him. To me, that's someone who wants a relationship with a person, not just a bit of fun. They had a bit of a rapport at the wedding, so I don't see it as beyond the realm of possibility if she was thinking they could get on well enough to date or have a relationship. To me, she didn't act like she wanted to use him at all. I don't buy that her boss was paying her off to do it- she was afraid of Magnussen, according to him, so if he had intimidated her into seeing Sherlock, I just don't see her having fun with that, and looking for something more in a physical sense- Magnussen being involved would turn that idea into near- prostitution, it would make everything creepy. It's very interesting to consider this. Molly is a good friend to both Sherlock and John- we see this when they need her help. So she's nice like that. Socially, it seems like she often tries too hard, and doesn't know how to act normally- like at the party, or telling Sherlock about 'Jim from IT'- I feel like the more normal she tries to make herself seem, the weirder she seems- but of course, I like her for it.
  10. Molly Hooper

    It might be a bit cultural, too. In Ireland 'slagging off' your friends is a fairly widespread practice, across both men and women, in fact it's often seen as a form of affection. Of course, it's not the same as what Sherlock does, exactly, because the primary purpose is always humorous (though it can often be mean, or go too far). But because that's the norm here, what Sherlock does doesn't go that far beyond it- it is beyond it, but not as much. Some of the things people say to each other as 'slagging' here would probably count as emotional abuse elsewhere.
  11. Molly Hooper

    Yes, definitely overbearing, as Mycroft kept a secret from him that was potentially very defining for Sherlock's character, choices and issues. Of course, it really might have been better to protect him from Eurus, as if he was fragile when younger, knowing the truth could have put him over the edge?.
  12. Molly Hooper

    Personal insults intentionally directed at me will always be harder to brush off. About Lestrade, I’m curious on why you think that? Lestrade wasn’t the one cheating, though I’m sure it would hurt him and his pride that his wife was cheating but Lestrade is the wronged party in this case. If anything it would inspire pity. It was insensitive and rude to embarrass Lestrade by airing dirty laundry in front of everyone but if anything Sherlock was insulting the wife. I suppose for me- when Sherlock gives his digs to people about how they look/ plays on their insecurities, I do find him rude, but I also think, so what, how qualified his he to make these judgements, how seriously can anyone take them? And also, I don't find the insults to be reflection of his real thoughts- about Mycroft being fat, or Molly's mouth being too small- I think he picks up on other people's all too obvious insecurities, and exposes them to show off his observation skills. I think I've mentioned this before- for me his tone-deaf insults betray more his own insecurity, not knowing how to be social, so the only thing he can do in make wounding 'observations' of things everyone else has, he doesn't seem to realise, already noticed, but the others are too wise and kind to say them, in a misguided attempt to seem like he knows about people. Whereas to me, Lestrade is genuinely trying to make his marriage work, he's already had enough troubles he's overcome with the wife- he's excited about his life taking a turn for the better, for once, and Sherlock takes the opportunity to publicly pull the rug out from under him? To me, my longterm partner cheating is a life- changingly bad piece of news, yet Sherlock acts like it's a fun fact. I'd rather hear his nasty opinions on my dress and make up than have him publicly tell me my life as I know it is a sham, personally (though ideally: neither). Slight O/T but does everyone think Tom dumped Molly???! Totally thought it was the other way round, and that at the wedding she realised he wasn't intelligent enough for her? Again, probably similar to Lestrade, I just don't like this because it's this girl's real life. Hopefully she didn't take the proposal very seriously- but you just don't do what he did, if you're a gentleman. Especially not the ongoing relationship, wasting her time and potentially toying with her emotions- especially not when she was always very nice and decent to him. It's real-life bad form, and just because someone seems okay, doesn't mean they are- that kind of lying can seriously affect your ability to trust a new partner. And he's way too emotionally tone deaf to be making a call about who can be toyed with and who can't, in my opinion.
  13. Molly Hooper

    You’ll never get an argument from me that Sherlock’s a jerk to nearly everyone. There are different ways to be a jerk though. It’s just to me, personal insults like you’re ugly, dumb, fat, evil, etc., are worse than embarrassing someone by outing their spouse’s infidelity publicly or being unnecessarily rude. So to that end I think he’s the worst to Mycroft and Molly. He was a jerk to Janine by lying but he wasn’t rude.. in that case he actually used charm to be a jerk. Who knew that was possible?! Whereas for me, some of his personal remarks/ taunts, for some reason, I would find easier to brush off, whereas the idea that he would expose Letsrade's wife's infidelity, which I think he wasn't supposed to know about, in front of everyone, is a worse level of cruel? What he says to Molly is unacceptable, but when he taunts John about his moustache, say, or Mycroft about his weight- for some reason I expect a bit of that between men- well actually between immature men. Ditto for Mycroft taunting Sherlock about his lack of sexual experience. It may not be nice, but I hear guys slag each other off like that all the time- not all men, but to me its a remnant of the schoolyard? I suppose part of what make's Molly's worse, is that women are more judged on how they look- perhaps unfairly, so it seems especially churlish to take shots at her. But Janine- honestly, for me, Janine is the worst of all, because if Sherlock Holmes, the Benedict Cumberbatch version, said he wanted to propose to me and then, after getting my hopes up I find out that I was just a hapless pawn- and even the dating bit had been a lie, and hanging out while he splashed around in the bath, (perhaps most devastatingly of all), was just a lie- it would be upsetting on a whole different level from someone telling me my lipstick and dress were trying too hard. I know Janine bounced back fairly well- and got her revenge, but that must have really stung.
  14. Molly Hooper

    Eh, I think maybe on occassion he does want to hurt people- like in Scandal, when he's hating the party and wants everyone else to be miserable too... But I just can't stay angry at him for it. I blame BC.
  15. Molly Hooper

    Well sure J.P. but I think maybe Science can be a form of entertainment for Sherlock?

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