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#1 believeinsherlock

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 02:04 PM

This is a fun topic if you've got the patience to do it. Basically, post up any references or nods to the original canon texts that are in the series. I'll start with a few from Sign Of The Four seeing as a few of you have already mentioned you like that one. To make it easier to distinguish, the ACD characters will be "Holmes and Watson" and BBC characters "Sherlock and John":
  • Holmes talks about his analysis of tobacco ash
  • He makes fun of Watson’s write up of the Study In Scarlet case saying it’s too emotional and sentimental, just like our Sherlock makes fun of John’s blog
  • Hoilmes only takes drugs because ordinary life is so “dull” and is pleased when Watson offers him a mental challenge because it will stop him taking more drugs ie. Stop him being bored
  • Holmes describing his role as “consulting detective” to Watson.
  • Holmes’s impressive analysis of Watson’s watch becomes the analysis of John’s phone in Study In Pink
  • Watson comments that the woman was very attractive and Holmes says “is she? I did not observe” – he hasn’t even noticed. Watson calls him a machine and inhuman.
  • Holmes knows all the London street names and his mind is like a map! (like chase scene in ASIP).
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:27 PM

It clicked the other day that Sherlock in the sheet in Scandal in Belgravia is the modern day equivalent of Sherlock in his dressing gown all day. Back in Victorian days, not being dressed up at the appropriate times of the day was entirely unthinkable. We've sort of moved away from that and staying at home in your pyjamas is sort of not-so-frowned-upon, so that wouldn't have worked so well. But the whole idea of Sherlock refusing to even put a dressing gown on and just wrapping himself in a sheet gives the same kind of feeling the ever-present dressing gown would have given to Victorian readers...
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 06:28 PM

To make something clear: Firstly, I watched the Hound of the Baskerville and THEN I read the book.
I laughed so hard when I read 'Mr Holmes, they were the footprints of a gigantic hound!' I literally HEARD Henry Knight saying it in my head. Those words followed me all day.
It's great that Moffat and Gattis kept that line. The rest of the episode isn't really in sync with the book. So that little line made it for me :)

The solar system-thing is a reference to A Study in Scarlet, which I read before I watched ASIP. That was a nice resemblance too. (did anyone watch the episodes with commentaries? Even Mark Gatiss didn't exactly know in which story Holmes and Watson were discussing the solar system)

But it's the solar system!
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 08:14 AM

ok i'm gonna sound like the dumb one here, but the most amazing connection to the original books I think is THE quote.
when he said it my hair stood up on my neck, and I my friend asked me if i'd noticed it the next time i saw her.
the problem is its been so long since i read the original cases i've totally forgot where he first says it.

I do however think it may be my first tattoo when i'm 30
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 09:53 PM

^I'm probably the dumb one here, not you, because which is THE quote?

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 10:30 PM

I went back to refresh my memory, and wouldn't you know, its in my most favorite case.

and i quote
"how often have i said that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" Sign of the Four
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 09:55 AM

That's certainly one of the most famous quotes!! I also like "you see but you do not observe" ! I said that to someone in real life the other day and they didn't know I was being Sherlockian they were just like "What?"
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 11:26 AM

I have been known to say "Aah, my young Padawan, You see but you do not observe." which if the person is familiar with neither Star Wars or Sherlock Holmes, foxes them completely! :rofl:

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 12:56 PM

And remember that Watson also hates Chip and Pin machines, like John.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 03:58 PM

^I'm probably the dumb one here, not you, because which is THE quote?


You're not the only one :) I thought that she'd tattoo 'BUT IT'S THE SOLAR SYSTEM!' XD
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:43 PM

And remember that Watson also hates Chip and Pin machines, like John.


Really lol? Is that canon?
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 08:31 PM

Really lol? Is that canon?


Yep. Says so in A Sign of the Four

- "DAMN IT!" I exclaimed as the chip and pin machine refused my card for the second time. I was all too aware that one more time and my card would be locked and to save the bother of going to the bank, I merely shouted at the machine and flounced from the market stall, giving the dear woman serving me quite a fright.
I hailed a cab and proceeded to my newly acquired residence where I informed Hoilmes that I shouted at a chip and pin machine in the market. Holmes, being the ever peculiar man that he is, tenderly stroked is violin, smirked, and told me to use his card." - Wordsworth Classics, page 15.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 08:59 PM

:facepalm: Damn, how could I miss that one? I saw but didn't observe!
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:24 PM

:facepalm: I saw but didn't observe!


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Posted 12 June 2012 - 11:20 PM

I think possibly my favorite canon reference in the show was in ASIP when Anderson said that Jennifer Wilson probably wrote "Rache" because it meant "revenge" in German, but Sherlock dismissed the idea and closed the door on his face because she was trying to write "Rachel". If you remember from A Study in Scarlet, the word "Rache" was written on the wall in blood which Holmes said was German for "revenge", after Lestrade says that there must be a woman named Rachel. I really loved that bit.
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 06:17 AM

I think possibly my favorite canon reference in the show was in ASIP when Anderson said that Jennifer Wilson probably wrote "Rache" because it meant "revenge" in German, but Sherlock dismissed the idea and closed the door on his face because she was trying to write "Rachel". If you remember from A Study in Scarlet, the word "Rache" was written on the wall in blood which Holmes said was German for "revenge", after Lestrade says that there must be a woman named Rachel. I really loved that bit.


I've yet to read "A Study In Scarlet" but I think I shall have to now, that is a brilliant turnaround, and a great nod to Arthur Conan Doyle.
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:10 PM

A Study in Scarlet is one of the stories I have. Must find the time to read them...

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 09:07 PM

Ah YES!! Loved that! I couldn't help but laugh. :)

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:37 PM

Firstly, I watched the Hound of the Baskerville and THEN I read the book.
I laughed so hard when I read 'Mr Holmes, they were the footprints of a gigantic hound!'


In the original story, those words were spoken by Sir Henry (i.e., he's been knighted), and in the TV episode, the character's name is Henry Knight.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 05:19 PM

Ah YES!! Loved that! I couldn't help but laugh.


... especially as the butt of the joke was Anderson.

Poor Anderson.

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