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Lifting The Ban on Series Four Spoilers.

As it has now been a decent amount of time since the airing of series 4 of Sherlock we feel it is prudent to relax the ban on discussion of series 4 episodes in the general Sherlock discussion areas.

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Episode 3.1, "The Empty Hearse"

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#1 Undead Medic

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 06:13 PM

A Thread for the discussion of Episode 1 "The Empty Hearse."

Please rate the episode using the poll and discuss the episode below.
 
 


 

Two years on from reports of his Reichenbach Fall demise, Holmes resurfaces, as London comes under threat of a huge terrorist attack.

 

 
 


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Posted 01 January 2014 - 10:57 PM

And John's blog has been updated, too.


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Posted 01 January 2014 - 11:05 PM

LOL, I totally knew Mrs. Hudson was going to ask for "his" name! 

 

There were things I liked and things I didn't. I'm doing a re-watch now to pick up anything I missed on the first go. I'll be back later and hopefully there will be some discussion going on.  Happy Sherlock Day, everyone!  :wub:  :sherlock:  :wub:



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Posted 01 January 2014 - 11:09 PM

And a happy Sherlock Day to you, Karie! :wave:

 

Since the Episode 2 thread is still locked, I'll put the trailer here:

 


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Posted 01 January 2014 - 11:27 PM

Am I the only one worried about Anderson, though?  :unsure:


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Posted 01 January 2014 - 11:38 PM

Well either he was having a seizure or he was just totally happy. I sure hope it's the latter, too. A bit hard to tell.

 

Fun fact I just read on tumblr - Sherlock's parents:

 

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were played by Mr. Cumberbatch's parents (who are both actors).


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Posted 01 January 2014 - 11:51 PM

Oooh, thanks for the trailer!

 

I actually knew (that girl who saw the screening at the BFI told me through a private message) that Ben's real parents were going to play his parents on the show. I'm actually very disappointed in how that played out... I thought we'd get more of them than him cold-heartedly shoving them out the door. And the way he acted ashamed of how "ordinary" they are. His mother, especially, seemed to be very warm and loving toward him, much like Mrs. Hudson, whom Sherlock obviously adores and indulges. It felt wrong that he seemed so indifferent to them.

 

I knew they were going to be "ordinary" since that comment Gatiss made earlier, but I still find that a bit weird. There go loads of perfectly good fanfics with Sherlock and Mycroft's behavior being explained away by wealthy, detached, upper class parents who ignored them or looked down on Sherlock's "freak" ways. 


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 12:01 AM

To me, it looked more like Anderson suffered a breakdown. We know that his obsession with Sherlock's death has been severe enough to cost him highly. Those theories and that group of his must have become an integral part of his life. Sherlock's resurrection more than likely causes a big gap in his daily activities. Anderson must reorientate himself. And Sherlock playing mindgames with him probably didn't help. I feel somewhat bad for Anderson, but on the other side, Sherlock was downright considerate. Anderson was rather vulnerable; he set all his odds on Sherlock. Sherlock could have truly hurt him with nothing but a well-placed insult.

 

 

Definitely some things I liked, and some I didn't.

The Holmes brothers interaction was brilliant. Loved every second of it. The fan service especially caught my eye - "I believe in Sherlock Holmes" by Anderson, then the different theories that were more or less spread all over the internet, Mrs Hudson's question, the scene where Sherlock was captured and tortured, the appearance of "Mommy Holmes". Yep, definitely liked those. Reminded me of the last year, all that waiting, reading about theories, and all those fanworks...


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 12:02 AM

It does make sense, though - Mycroft's and Sherlock's parents as two nice, perfectly ordinary people, trying their best but hopelessly out of their depth with their two genius kids. I kinda liked that simply because it was rather unexpected.


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 12:05 AM

Yay! It finally aired and I was actually able to see it - won't tell how but it wasn't terribly illegal ;) Thanks to all who made that possible!

 

I take it that comments on references to the original Doyle stories are supposed to go here for the time being and not in the "Canon References" thread? Okay then, I'll be nerdy here to my heart's content:

 

- Sebastian Moran, the last of Moriarty's people who was going to assassinate Holmes with his special German air gun became Moran the politician who wanted to blow up parliament

 

- The young woman who is tricked into falling in love with her stepfather, Mr Windibank, is from "A Case of Identity"

 

- The line about London, the "great cesspool" is from "A Study in Scarlet"

 

- The text to Mary plays with a glitch of Doyle's: in one of his stories, Mary calls her husband "James" instead of "John"

 

- There is a "hat deduction" (without Mycroft) in "The Blue Carbuncle"

 

- In "The Empty Hearse", Holmes disguises as an elderly book collector who offers Watson obscure volumes. Here, the poor man was real and John only thought he was Sherlock in disguise.

 

I am sure there were a lot more!

 

The episode seemed kind of disjointed to me. They probably had ten times as many ideas as would fit into 90 minutes. But it's really nice to have everybody back, isn't it?


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 12:06 AM

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear... This was... I don't even know. :) Think I need some recovery time, really. It was different than what I expected, and different from the other episodes so far in several ways. I loved it to pieces, and yet there's a part of me - I suspect the sensitive part - that's not satisfied with Sherlock's response to John's anger. I honestly thought I had expected something like the reactions I've just seen, but... I don't know, I feel slightly exasperated. Like I want to rip Sherlock's hair out myself, because I think he got off the hook too easily :D Hehe! But, wow, this was awesome, too! So much great stuff. Don't know how I'm going to sleep now, what with all this excitement :P I think this episode is just more wacky than any so far. Will need to see it again very soon!


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 12:07 AM

Thank you so much, T.o.b.y :applause:

 

Say, did anyone notice this?

 

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Liar??


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 12:12 AM

I liked "hidden tatoo" :P


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 12:15 AM

OK.

 

Like the episode a lot, very fast paced as usual.  Was willing Watson to punch Holmes!

 

I have been out of the loop for a while, Anderson - is that the copper/detective who had so much disdain for Sherlock in the first 2 series?

 

Now apart from that, not sure what to make of his parents - although quite pleased to see (hear) Mycroft begging Sherlock to take them back.

 

Am I the only one who doesn't trust Mary?  How did she recognise that text message as a Skip Code?  Who is she? Where did she come from?

 

Molly's fiancé - the look Sherlock gave him at the end, was that one of "I have seen you before" or one of "she doesn't really love you"?



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Posted 02 January 2014 - 12:20 AM

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear... This was... I don't even know. :) Think I need some recovery time, really. It was different than what I expected, and different from the other episodes so far in several ways. I loved it to pieces, and yet there's a part of me - I suspect the sensitive part - that's not satisfied with Sherlock's response to John's anger. I honestly thought I had expected something like the reactions I've just seen, but... I don't know, I feel slightly exasperated. Like I want to rip Sherlock's hair out myself, because I think he got off the hook too easily :D Hehe! But, wow, this was awesome, too! So much great stuff. Don't know how I'm going to sleep now, what with all this excitement :P I think this episode is just more wacky than any so far. Will need to see it again very soon!

 

 

I agree! I thought Sherlock definitely got off too easily with John, especially when he played that little "joke" on the train. I really wanted him to get punched again there. And speaking of which... it was dissatisfying to me that the scene kept cutting away with John lunging at Sherlock and we never actually saw a punch. That was anticlimactic for me since I really felt John deserved more of an apology, and that his anger was warranted and not properly appreciated by Sherlock, and I wanted to see him rough Sherlock up a bit. Especially when Sherlock kept making jokes like it was no big deal. I did love the bit with John strangling Sherlock on the floor, though.  :P

 

 

Thank you so much, T.o.b.y :applause:

 

Say, did anyone notice this?

 

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Liar??

 

 

Thank you!! I was trying desperately to read it, but it went so fast I couldn't catch anything but "cat lover".

 

So, not just "liar" but "disillusioned" as well. I definitely think this will come into play later! I really liked Mary a lot which, sadly, probably won't end well for her. Most minor characters I take a liking to usually end up on the chopping block.  :rolleyes:  And it seems like maybe there's more to her than meets the eye. I suppose this will really set off the people who were originally thinking she was in line with Moriarty or Moran... but I feel more likely that she will be good sport for the new villain, since blackmail is apparently his forte. I wonder what she's lying about? 


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 12:20 AM

 

The episode seemed kind of disjointed to me. They probably had ten times as many ideas as would fit into 90 minutes. But it's really nice to have everybody back, isn't it?

 

I agree, and certain bits were processed too quickly for my taste. I guess the 90 minutes were really not enough this time... too much stuff to go through. I don't feel emotionally satisfied when it comes to the reunion with John, or with Lestrade for that matter, but it was still a great episode, more hilarious than ever, and I don't know the number of times I slapped my sofa in excitement - or in exasperation :) I look so much forward to watching it again, but I will probably continue to have ambiguous feelings about this episode.


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 12:27 AM

They sure could've spent more time on John's emotional wellbeing and less on poking fun at us, although it was rather gentle, imho, and I literally :lol:ed at that Sherlock/Moriarty scene.

 

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 12:27 AM

OK.

 

Like the episode a lot, very fast paced as usual.  Was willing Watson to punch Holmes!

 

I have been out of the loop for a while, Anderson - is that the copper/detective who had so much disdain for Sherlock in the first 2 series?

 

Now apart from that, not sure what to make of his parents - although quite pleased to see (hear) Mycroft begging Sherlock to take them back.

 

Am I the only one who doesn't trust Mary?  How did she recognise that text message as a Skip Code?  Who is she? Where did she come from?

 

Molly's fiancé - the look Sherlock gave him at the end, was that one of "I have seen you before" or one of "she doesn't really love you"?

 

Yes, Anderson is the forensics guy that was having the affair with Sally Donovan, and the two of them pushed Lestrade into thinking Sherlock needed to be arrested. 

 

I forgot about the Skip Code! That was very impressive and a bit suspicious.  Combined with the stuff above about her being a liar and disillusioned, I do think we're going to find out she's hiding something. 

 

The impression I got from Sherlock's look at Tom (?) was the same as everyone else's... he was noticing with a bit of shock and horror that Molly had gone and found herself Sherlock 2.0.  Or, at least that's the impression they were trying to give.  I still don't think the guy looks anything like him, apart from the fact that he was equally tall and they dressed him the same.  And that really annoys me.  I wanted Molly to realize how much better she deserves and move on. It's a disservice to her character that, for a cheap laugh, they had her fiance be a Sherlock "clone" to show that she's still hopelessly pining for a man who treated her like crap and walked out of her life two years ago. 

 

Then again, maybe she does just have a "type".  :rolleyes:


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 12:32 AM

They sure could've spent more time on John's emotional wellbeing and less on poking fun at us, although it was rather gentle, imho, and I literally :lol:ed at that Sherlock/Moriarty scene.

 

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Yeah, a lot of poking fun meant a lot of time wasted on the Sherlock/John interaction. 

 

I did love that bit, if for nothing else than the fantastic acting and facial expressions of Ben and Scott.  Although, I know already from when this bit leaked a couple of weeks ago that some people are really not going to like the "queer baiting", and I do understand where they're coming from. I'm sure offense was not intended, but some people will definitely be offended.  To people who genuinely support and ship gay and lesbian couples on the show (or any show), them treating it like a big joke won't come over well. I have seen several people express how tired they are already of the constant running "STOP IT, I'M NOT GAY" joke around John Watson. 







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