How do you relate to Sherlock (the series)?

[Inge l-w]

Dear TOBY, how can you say you are anything BUT quite extraordinary? You are thoughtful, insightful, brilliantly intelligent, empathetic: these qualities are obvious from your comments, the care you take to formulate your responses! In fact, you, Boton, Arcadia, SherlockedCamper, Carol and Caya are the mainstays of this place, when the rest of us tend to go a bit Sherlocky with our zany behaviour.

But, I shall have to agree that making plans and contingency plans of contingency plans to avoid major crashes is a must in order to alleviate anxiety. As I mentioned above, having to do team work teaches one very quickly that compromises have to be reached, rules of politeness have to be observed, but, please, please, please do not ever think that I look down on less perceptive or more slow-thinking colleagues, I simply plaster an interested look on my face and think of something else, which now seems to be increasingly the content of S4, until they have ruminated on the issue long enough to reach the conclusion they should have reached in the first five minutes

Reflect on the knowledge that it is poor Mycroft who has to sit through endless committee meetings, advise his political masters and penetrate all their inane verbosity, placate their childish tempers and smooth ruffled feathers which would all make this Sherlock look all grown up and responsible. You have seen Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime Minister: Mycroft is like Sir Arnold and later on like Sir Humphrey. Of course, in complete privacy and in the company of his brother, he lets off steam with an unguarded "goldfish" comment!

[Shadow Dweller]

Quite similar with your experience, Van Buren, my own story of being oblivious to romantic advancement. Only instead of a cassette, it is a long stemmed red rose on Val day. LOL.

[Van Buren Supernova]

I don't think I was ever sane... But yeah, some days are tough. And sometimes things get to me. But in general, I have developed a level of tolerance to the horrible, the sad, the gory, the absurd and the tragic that is commonly found in doctors, nurses, pathologists, therapists, firemen, policemen, soldiers, certain types of journalists etc but that comes across as callous to "normal" people. I relate to Sherlock, John, Lestrade and Molly standing around a body. (I'd probably be the one who says "poor bugger" like Greg, though). I very much relate to the conversation Sherlock and John have in The Great Game about crying at people's bedsides. It's true. I'm not saying compassion has no value (that would be false), but in order to be of some actual use, you have to give up a part of your humanity and manage your emotions in ways that are not generally required.

I don't think I would ever be able to do what you do.

My friend worked in the line of Child Protection that ranges from abuse to negligence, she had seen death, rape, torture and could get involved in a case for a long time. I guess dealing with children added up much more to her emotional burden too, especially many of the case consist of assailant from victim's own family. She is one of the toughest woman I know.

 

I've wondered about that ... I see people who seem comfortable in any situation, blend in with the people around them (in a good way), able to engage in the conversation of the moment, who know what's appropriate to wear and when ... and I think that's normal, and I'm the oddball. But do they think they're normal? Or are they just as insecure as I am? :P

Maybe they are? And maybe they are thinking you are the normal one, and they are the insecure one.

The way I see it, everyone has their own insecurity. Some are extreme it hinders their social life, most able to manage or find people they are comfortable with, even with their insecurity. Maybe these people are the concept of friends, who appreciate and never give you reasons to feel sorry about who you are. The rest can bugger off. XD

Maybe I'm nuts for believing it, I think my quirkiness is asset, not liability, the pulling factor for those kind hearted people who can stand me and call me friends. :lol:

 

Also I'm like you with the memory & that mysterious secret folder where I can forget things completely & remember others in extreme details (my first memory is from the age of 2 & I remember 4 parts of that day in vivid detail).

Age 2! That is impressive..! I don't think I remember anything beyond 4, and that is also questionable.... 

 

 

Mycroft's comment about "goldfish" isn't even very funny to me. Intelligence doesn't equal worth.

Before I watch Sherlock, goldfish has different meaning to me and I actually use it often with close friends. It refers to forgetfulness which is not really meant to be insulting. Goldfish has short memory, they are happy living in very small dome tank because it's new world for them everytime. Once they reach this side, they forget the other side and thought it's something new. (credibility not guaranteed, it could be some kind of a made-up fact from questionable source), so we call each other gold fish whenever we can't recall certain situation or memory of the past events.

 

But I agree with the concept that book smart doesn't really worth much.

My IQ level is so called borderline genius, while it helps me academically (sad that some advance education system or even some workplaces still think number means much) without other life experiences, instincts or street observations, if I only rely on that, I'd be dead or seriously harmed in many situations I faced in life.

 

Quite similar with your experience, Van Buren, my own story of being oblivious to romantic advancement. Only instead of a cassette, it is a long stemmed red rose on Val day. LOL.

:lol: But you haven't heard the worst from me. XD

[jadpdr]

Very interesting that we all seem to be what Arcadia has endearingly termed "oddballs"!

I have kept two friends from college and four from work, so I socialize better with the second group. Still, if they go into fashion, gossip or boyfriends, I tend to block their noise making, because otherwise I would be obliged to get up and leave abruptly, since such things are unutterably boring to me. Easily bored? Possibly.

I love reading and listening to music, will try anything once (but no drugs, thank you very much) and because I work odd hours or have double shifts, I have accustomed myself to living with very little sleep and doing without food if necessary.

Completely inept in playing any kind of instrument, though!

[Shadow Dweller]

@Van Buren Supernova: I think that capability to laugh at our own past is necessary for sanity. ;) There's time and place for work and there's another for letting go and play. What we are today is different from yesterday and the past only useful as lesson for present and future.

 

Which one have shorter memory, a goldfish or a gnat? :D

[HeroinOrHeroine]

Hmm. I relate to a couple different aspects of the show.

 

Like Sherlock, my job involves inferring information from my observations of the environment and from being very good at reading people. Unlike Sherlock, though, I am incredibly empathic. Also unlike Sherlock, I have a very limited range of emotion.

 

Like John, I am a bit addicted to adrenaline. I try to limit my fixes to playing moderately violent sports and other forms of exercise rather than guns and chasing criminals.

 

Like Mycroft, I am probably overly protective of my loved ones. Overall, I relate to Mycroft the most. He likes solitude, he's always got a plan, he's really good at manipulating people into wanting to do what he wants. I try to only use my powers for good rather than evil; I'm not sure Mycroft does.

 

I don't really relate to Molly at all, although she's what I'd like in a friend. Same for Mrs Hudson. I like people who's personalities are opposite of mine.

[Shadow Dweller]

Isn't Sherlock also have very limited range of emotions?

 

What is it like to be very emphatic, what cued you about the other person?

[Inge l-w]

Dear ShadowDweller, that should probably read "empathetic", because emphatic means forceful! Sorry, I have said that I edit and re-edit posts due to a grammar police instinct!

[Shadow Dweller]

Oops... I didn't reread before posting ^^; I am curious about being empathetic since it is my blind spot.

[T.o.b.y]

Oops... I didn't reread before posting ^^; I am curious about being empathetic since it is my blind spot.

Well, the problem with empathy is that you can't really tell whether you have it or not, because there's no reliable way to check whether another person is really feeling / thinking what you think they are. My mother used to say I have very fine antennae, and it is true that I pick up the "vibes" in a room or among a group very fast and react very strongly to them, which is one of the reasons why I prefer solitude or only very select company. I also automatically see things from the perspective of people I interact with, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I know what it's like for them, only that I can't help picturing what it would be like for me if I was in their shoes.

 

I am very thin-skinned, both figuratively and literally. It's not really an advantage...

[HeroinOrHeroine]

Isn't Sherlock also have very limited range of emotions?

I guess it's all perspective. To me, Sherlock seems full of emotions. He's bored, irritated, frustrated, angry, stressed, joy-jumpingly happy on occasion.

 

What is it like to be very emphatic, what cued you about the other person?

I'm very good at knowing how the other person feels about a situation. I'm a social worker, so part of that is training, part of it is personality. For example, yesterday my friend was telling me about how he had worked hard on setting up this meeting that was outside of his job but very helpful to the client. When he got to work yesterday, his boss had impulsively taken the client over to have an impromptu meeting, knowing that my friend had set a meeting up, so all his work was invalid.

 

Then my friend asked one of my least favourite question: "how would you feel about that?". So my response was something similar to, 'I would guess that you probably felt very betrayed. All that hard work and you didn't get to see the reward in the client's face. And maybe you felt very disrespected by your boss'. See there, I social-worked my friend. Haha.

 

Even though I knew exactly how he was feeling, and view it as a completely rational and reasonable response, it is not how I would react. I would shrug my shoulders and think, "cool, less work for me and the client got what they needed'.

 

A huge component of being empathic is acknowledging that even though someone's feelings are different that yours would be, they are still valid. It's not about how you would feel in a situation, but how that specific person feels in the situation.

[Inge l-w]

Sorry, are you sure Mycroft represents the inner you? In the place of your friend, I would have stormed into the boss's office, ( not sure if I would close the door behind me) and given him a piece of my mind about going behind my back as a double-dealing Magnussen replica!

Losing all that hard-earned acclaim to feather the boss's nest and boost their ego is just not on!

However, since we're on the topic of empathy, I was asked to translate a three-year-old's medical file into English, so he could go to Boston for a highly specialised procedure, since he has suffered from ulcerous colitis from the age of fifteen months, and this autoimmune monster has turned into pancolitis! Made myself sick just translating the medical history! Cannot even start to fathom what the boy and his parents have been going through these last few months, with a possibility of it turning into Krohn's disease!

[J.P.]

I have friends but sometimes I find it difficult to feel a deep connection but I have built walls and as much as I would like to undo some of that I find it hurts less if I leave it in place. I am a people watcher, I like to analyze situations though I have been told that I am very empathetic, I find it difficult to act on it.

 

It is mentioned here and there; that Sherlock is relatable on personal level, it makes us feel the way not many other series ever do. That's why this show is special and addictive.

 

Another one, sometimes, like last week, like John always scolds Sherlock, I find it difficult to really empathize with others.

One of my coworker was crying, quite badly, another person had noticed and already trying to comfort her, but I just sat in my place doing nothing.

Anyway, another quite embarrassing to admit, and maybe despised like what I read here in SIB, I relate with Sherlock when he was being unsensitive to Molly in Christmas scene.

I like to think I am good in reading people feelings, but when it's about people's feelings for me, I am the biggest clot.

 I pick up the "vibes" in a room or among a group very fast and react very strongly to them, which is one of the reasons why I prefer solitude or only very select company. I also automatically see things from the perspective of people I interact with, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I know what it's like for them, only that I can't help picturing what it would be like for me if I was in their shoes.

 

You really sure we are not clones?

 

The thing with the empathy.

Actually I always thought I have no empathy at all. In a situations requiring empathic reactions I just froze and didn't know what to do, withdrawing myself from the situation, at least mentally.

 

But then I realized that I probably feel too much. That's why I hate hospitals so much - every person I see makes me switch the perspective and not only suffer their suffering, but also building a whole back-story and what consequences their illness has on their family etc. And I'm damn creative with this.

 

Before I was aware of this I just automatically stonewalled. Now the distress isn't any less, but at least I know where it comes from. My mirror neurons fire like crazy and the only way to avoid it is to avoid people or even their stories about suffering (which everybody has). I have a history of depression and anxiety, and when it was really bad I felt like there is absolutely no division between others' and my suffering, I even wasn't able to watch movies, or it was really hard to find a book to read, with no suffering, death or other unpleasant things in it. And looking back, I think the weeks I was in a clinic only made things worse.

 

Still during the group therapy sessions I realized I can read the others really good, once or twice I've seen things the therapists had overseen. But as soon as I am a part of the situation I turn blind. This apparent inconsistency I can easily project on Sherlock's behavior (Christmas and general attitude towards Molly). BTW, one of the therapists said to me, I'm a hard person to work with because I'm so clever...

 

Anyway, I will gladly repair your hairdryer, but don't expect me to comfort you. Because if I do it, is only because I think I should and it feels like cheating.

[Arcadia]

I think I'm average, empathically, but I do tend to focus on keeping calm and finding solutions rather than becoming emotionally involved; partly because if I get too emotional, I can't think clearly. I used to think this meant I wasn't very empathic, but realize now I just respond differently than some people. I also tend to avoid people who process everything through their emotions; I find them exhausting to be around very long. I used to think they were the norm but now I'm not so sure.

 

Most of my friends tell me I'm incredibly patient, but I don't think it's patience; I think it's calmness that they're sensing. And I work hard at it too; having had a bout with severe anxiety, I don't ever want to go there again! Ugh.

 

So, does that make me more like John, Mycroft or Sherlock?

[Inge l-w]

Dear Arcadia, definitely Mycroft: patience to evaluate the pros and cons, calmness in the face of adversity, a really dry wit and the mind of an intellectual of the first order, combined with the soul of an artist, like all Holmeses, on the side of their grandmother Vernet.

John has several problems, the least of which is average intelligence. Anger management and trust issues ring a bell? Addicted to violence? Nope, not you!

As for Sherlock, I have explained above why I identify most with him, or why I become emotionally involved, so I shan't repeat myself here!

[J.P.]

Caution - this will be long!

 

Very soon I started to see Sherlock as my own reflection. Beside - of course - some aspects: I don't even remotely look like a strange and gracious, fascinating creature. Nor do I pay attention to style of my clothing. I'm quite like Molly in this aspect, but she is prettier. I have no quick working brain nor physical fitness to make a foot race with a taxi. Nor a degree in anything.

Probably the most significant line from Sherlock that made me relate to him so strongly was: "Alone protects me." Yes, that's me. Explained in above post.

Don't know about my IQ, but I was said constantly that I'm smart. Probably too often… Sadly it doesn't apply to my present workplace, because my way of thinking seems to be so different from the others'. It can be very frustrating. I remember on some especially frustrating occasion I thought: damn, I'm so good that they aren't even able to see that. ;) But at the same time I'm very insecure about it.

My self esteem is built on my brain power. And only on it. Some time in my childhood I learned that being smart brings attention. It wasn't only pure environmental pressure – being smart was the EASIEST way to get attention and affirmation, so I stuck to this pattern.

What probably protected me from being bullied at school - a part of my show-off behavior was helping others. I suppose my school "friends" were more fans… and I had no friends outside the school. Didn't feel like I needed any.

Body is just a transportation, eating is boring (even it I'm anything but anorectic) I would probably be perfectly happy with some kind of soup pipeline supplying me with all vital stuff and with chocolate.

Can be aloof and turn nasty when overloaded with sensual input, or too long around people.

Hate Christmas.

I can spend weeks without saying a word - except "Hello" and "Thank you" to the cashier when buying groceries.

I always was very skeptical towards the idea of love - in it's various versions. In school, there were those funny booklets girls sent around, where you answered some trivial questions. While the answer about love was mostly something about it being the most important thing in the world, I always answered with one sentence: "inborn instinct to preserve the species" :D

It was a bit like my attitude towards cigarettes and alcohol: why should I try it? It's addictive, once you started you might have problems living without it. Actually I wonder what caused both boys to start smoking...

I am the one who left parties too soon, alone, with this nasty feeling of not being able to belong.

Spontaneous signs of sympathy scare the hell out of me. The first thought is always: "what are they want from me?" And I don't know how to answer - just look at Sherlock being hugged.

The only one not-school friendship I made was "working on a case" and this is also the only one friendship that survived 25 years and 300 miles of separation.

My standard for interesting people? IMPRESS ME!

I think I wrote it before - I'm half like Sherlock, and the other half would like to be like him, or even like Mycroft.
I envy them for the ability to manipulate people.
The quick wits and ability to function under pressure.
I envy them for their feeling of purpose - I was always floating aimless through my life.
I adore their complete detachment from feelings, or at least the ability to switch them off when needed.

And a funny tidbit at the end. I kind of got fixated on Sherlock's shoes in the scene before the roof showdown in TRF. They are different from his usual shoes, having flat rubber soles.
Shoes with a good grip - it's very important to me, not only while jumping from a building. :D

[J.P.]

So this guy, a very good friend of mine, was buying a cassete (that time) a nice song about someone who had difficulty expressing their feeling (duh).

 

Hah, I had a guy reading a love poem he'd written for me and I was thinking he was fooling around to make me laugh. I only got it like last year.

 

[Arcadia]

Dear Arcadia, definitely Mycroft: patience to evaluate the pros and cons, calmness in the face of adversity, a really dry wit and the mind of an intellectual of the first order, combined with a first-class mind and the soul of an artist, like all Holmeses, on the side of their grandmother Vernet.

John has several problems, the least of which is average intelligence. Anger management and trust issues ring a bell? Addicted to violence? Nope, not you!

As for Sherlock, I have explained above why I identify most with him, or why I become emotionally involved, so I shan't repeat myself here!

Yes, I think I am rather Mycroft-ish at times! But I think the big difference is I do, in fact, think caring is an advantage ... or rather, that caring is more important than having an advantage. Generally I have no great desire to have an advantage over anyone, I prefer a level playing field.

 

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Can be aloof and turn nasty when overloaded with sensual input, or too long around people.

Alas, I have that trait too. Arrghh, I wish I could turn that bit off. Although I'm better than I used to be, I think. I hope.

 

I always was very skeptical towards the idea of love - in it's various versions. In school, there were those funny booklets girls sent around, where you answered some trivial6 questions. While the answer about love was mostly something about it being the most important thing in the world, I always answered with one sentence: "inborn instinct to preserve the species"

Are you saying you don't believe in true love at first sight? I'm shocked! :D What would Mr. Disney say?!?

 

I think I wrote it before - I'm half like Sherlock, and the other half would like to be like him, or even like Mycroft.

I envy them for the ability to manipulate people.

And that's where I differ; that's one of the couple of things I really hate about Sherlock; the manipulation, and the lying; especially the lying. In real life I don't think I could stand him, for that alone.

 

 

So this guy, a very good friend of mine, was buying a cassete (that time) a nice song about someone who had difficulty expressing their feeling (duh).

Hah, I had a guy reading a love poem he'd written for me and I was thinking he was fooling around to make me laugh. I only got it like last year.

 

I do feel sorry for guys ... it's hard enough to work up the nerve to tell a girl you like her, but then when the girl turns out to be so clueless she justs laughs off what your saying .... I did a similar thing once, a guy (who I quite liked, but not in a romantic way) kept asking me out, in a very lovely, friendly, non-pushy sort of way ... but it wasn't until about four years later that I realized that's what he had been doing!  I felt like such a jerk ... I just hope he wasn't that into me!

[Inge l-w]

Beg to differ: it's not manipulation, it's a strategy for getting the other side to see the obvious, face facts and act upon the evidence! Otherwise, committee meetings would drag on past one's point of patience and polite behaviour in social situations. How many Andersons and Dimmocks can any one of you endure at work for any length of time?

[J.P.]

 

Arcadia: Yes, I think I am rather Mycroft-ish at times! But I think the big difference is I do, in fact, think caring is an advantage ... or rather, that caring is more important than having an advantage. Generally I have no great desire to have an advantage over anyone, I prefer a level playing field.

 

I don't think Mycroft meant it as an advantage over anyone. It's more like your own caring would hurt you because it ends with loss, heartbreak, death.

 

 

And that's where I differ; that's one of the couple of things I really hate about Sherlock; the manipulation, and the lying; especially the lying. In real life I don't think I could stand him, for that alone.

 

Oh, it's not like I'm aiming at world domination (too much responsibility, thank you very much), or playing people around me like a violin. But sometimes you just need something, or want to protect yourself. As I was younger, I had an ability to disturb people giving them a special look. That was nice.

[Van Buren Supernova]

A huge component of being empathic is acknowledging that even though someone's feelings are different that yours would be, they are still valid. It's not about how you would feel in a situation, but how that specific person feels in the situation.

I pick up the "vibes" in a room or among a group very fast and react very strongly to them, which is one of the reasons why I prefer solitude or only very select company. I also automatically see things from the perspective of people I interact with, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I know what it's like for them, only that I can't help picturing what it would be like for me if I was in their shoes.

But then I realized that I probably feel too much. That's why I hate hospitals so much - every person I see makes me switch the perspective and not only suffer their suffering, but also building a whole back-story and what consequences their illness has on their family etc. And I'm damn creative with this.

^ Nice ways of putting it.

 

About empathy, I'm extremely lack for way of expressing this like normal people do because I know I can't help with words and attention. With action, yes. I would if I could. Even if I couldn't, I would try, but I dislike acknowledgement and gratitude, I don't really know how to react to that. I like kind people (well duh who doesn't?), they impress me but I don't understand kindness to the extreme of being pushover, it's not good imho.

 

Having said all above, I have close to ZERO empathy for drama queens, people who are pretentious or those who bait for empathy purposely or those who don't deserve it.

Similarly, I dislike and don't get why people fall for that (the worst way of putting it: if you feed them they think they deserve the empathy which I think they don't) but I guess, many people are just being kind, or the very least, much kinder than me.

So, does that make me more like John, Mycroft or Sherlock?

Let me try to blabber, disclaimer: I'm not responsible to any blabber that are uttered under my user name.

 

I think you have some Sherlock's traits; you enjoy challenges, puzzles and having fun with them.

But overall you are more like John, because you are not drama queen (no he is not, Sherlock), you are likely to enter a conflict and say, Alright alright! Girls, come down! without rubbing anyone in the wrong way and they would listen to you. That is also related with your calmness.

You appreciate intelligence even though it seems out of place, have soft spot for nerds and maybe even one yourself, in a good way. (It's not insult. I love nerds, I think I am one too, or geek, or dork, or whatever)

I think you have great sense of humor (during my lurking time before starting to blabber, I remember I laughed out loud at a thread --can't remember which one-, it's about making a fanfic and you tried to 'kill' John's baby twice I think on the first page. Am I dreaming? I'm sure it exists! Kill as in good fun of kill), so.. who has good sense of humor? John I guess.

I have others but maybe it's enough because I don't want to say something that might change the future (as in trigger you to behave differently :lol: :lol:)

So I vote that you are more like John. In a good way.

 

How did I do? How bad did I screw up? Blame Moftiss (Hope I say it right this time) for anything undesirable.

John has several problems, the least of which is average intelligence. Anger management and trust issues ring a bell? Addicted to violence? Nope, not you!

I have to disagree that John has average intelligence. There are things that are not in his area, but I think he is a smart person, and imho, he is not addicted to violence, but to excitement and adrenalin, which is fine and common. Someone addicted to violence wouldn't give a painful glance at Jennifer Wilson, or about the daughter she lost years ago, or feeling sorry for the blind old lady.

[Van Buren Supernova]

@Van Buren Supernova: I think that capability to laugh at our own past is necessary for sanity. There's time and place for work and there's another for letting go and play. What we are today is different from yesterday and the past only useful as lesson for present and future.

Which one have shorter memory, a goldfish or a gnat?

Oh yes, laughing at oneself is adorable trait

Although I'm not sure if I learn better now than I was in that area (I'm quite sure it's otherwise!) but there is definitely some lessons there.

Anyway, I think you have great point. Just yesterday I read that goldfish actually don't have lousy memory, they are misunderstood, just like Magpie. So, my answer now is a gnat! XD

 

Probably the most significant line from Sherlock that made me relate to him so strongly was: "Alone protects me." Yes, that's me.

 

Body is just a transportation, eating is boring (even it I'm anything but anorectic) I would probably be perfectly happy with some kind of soup pipeline supplying me with all vital stuff and with chocolate.

I love the concept Alone protects me, and from old Simon Garfunkel's song If I never loved I never would have cried, but I don't have ability to have the kind of detachment like Mycroft has, eventhough I wish for it or at least like you said, the ability to turn it off. I have made peace with that, but I'm always dreading the day I lost someone because argh..

 

Eating, yes, I eat to live. I don't care about food hunting/culinary trip that seems to be a trend now. When someone visit me and all they want to to try this and that famous food, I just look at them blankly and they soon realize, Oh right, you don't care but still want to drag me to go and try the food.

But, but, I don't want to be fed through pipeline, God no.

I always was very skeptical towards the idea of love - in it's various versions. In school, there were those funny booklets girls sent around, where you answered some trivial questions. While the answer about love was mostly something about it being the most important thing in the world, I always answered with one sentence: "inborn instinct to preserve the species"

Nice!

Now that there are too many human on earth, we don't need that too then? XD

 

 

Hah, I had a guy reading a love poem he'd written for me and I was thinking he was fooling around to make me laugh. I only got it like last year.

I do feel sorry for guys ... it's hard enough to work up the nerve to tell a girl you like her, but then when the girl turns out to be so clueless she justs laughs off what your saying .... I did a similar thing once, a guy (who I quite liked, but not in a romantic way) kept asking me out, in a very lovely, friendly, non-pushy sort of way ... but it wasn't until about four years later that I realized that's what he had been doing!

First time I like someone, a good friend, in romantic way, he spent 3 years trying to tell me his feelings, tried almost everything except blatantly said it, without success. Then we went separate way. I spent another 3 years nursing broken heart, and it was another 5 years before we finally reconnected through online messenger (that time! XD), we were less shy and much more mature, abled to talk about everything and this topic came up, I was scolded, You mean you didn't know? I didn't know what else to do except saying it out loud but I didn't, because I thought you hated me!

:blanket:

Anyway, although I used to think about what-ifs I don't regret that because I already found greatest person who survives my clotness. And by reconnecting it feels like finding old friend back.

And that's where I differ; that's one of the couple of things I really hate about Sherlock; the manipulation, and the lying; especially the lying. In real life I don't think I could stand him, for that alone.

Ditto for me. I don't like manipulative traits, especially those who are only kind when they want something.

But I might have a bit of that, when I need something and ran out of better ways.

[Inge l-w]

Dear VanBuren Supernova: Shooting the cabbie is not actively violent, in your opinion, despite the high moral principle and nerves of steel accompanying the action? Knocking chairs down all over the flat once Dr Watson discovers the truth about Mary is not violent behaviour? Remember, you set the parameters by inviting us to relate to Sherlock ( the series). What are the indicators ( in the series) that he is better than the average GP, who is, admittedly on a higher percentile scale than the average population, but still not exceptionally so? Indeed, Dr Watson is supposed to represent the general public's view of an exceptional personality, ergo average human.

As for the Watson Baby threads, there are two: one started by sfmpco, and one by SherlockedCamper. Take your pick.

[sittything]

Molly Hooper is by far the most relatable bit of Sherlock for me.  If you made her a bit more cynical and a little less sunshine, rainbows, and kittens, I'd find us very much alike, I believe.  She's a little socially awkward, smart, but not in your face brilliant;  a quiet sort of background sort of intelligent/smart.  I certainly couldn't keep up with the likes of Sherlock or Mycroft.     But I find their intelligence and eccentricities very attractive.  I think that's part of the reason I feel very protective of Molly.  I want to her to get the happiness I feel she deserves, and I'm very glad she didn't settle and instead tossed Tom to the curb.  

 

Granted, she's not the reason I started watching and fell in love with the show.  Cinematographically the show is gorgeous, and I'm a sucker for that (Hannibal?).  And Sherlock (the character) is every bit as exotic and beautiful as the cinematography.  Basically, I fell in love with the show because I'm Molly... and Sherlock is... Sherlock.   

 

 

 

[Arcadia]

 

And that's where I differ; that's one of the couple of things I really hate about Sherlock; the manipulation, and the lying; especially the lying. In real life I don't think I could stand him, for that alone.

Oh, it's not like I'm aiming at world domination (too much responsibility, thank you very much), or playing people around me like a violin. But sometimes you just need something, or want to protect yourself. As I was younger, I had an ability to disturb people giving them a special look. That was nice.

 

Beg to differ: it's not manipulation, it's a strategy for getting the other side to see the obvious, face facts and act upon the evidence! Otherwise, committee meetings would drag on past one's point of patience and polite behaviour in social situations. How many Andersons and Dimmocks can any one of you endure at work for any length of time?

I get it, but I think what I meant by "manipulation" is something more specific; things like complimenting Molly so she'll do what he wants, or tricking John in the Baskerville lab. Those kinds of things are treating people as a means to an end, not as real people, and in real life I would have real problems with it. It's regarded with humor in the show, though, so they get away with it.

 

I have a "manipulator" I have to deal with from time to time, and it wasn't until I saw Sherlock (the show) that I finally figured out how to deal with him; laugh at him! Get right in his face and tell him where to stick it! Amazingly, it worked, we get along pretty well now, he thinks I'm cool because I think he's an idiot. Weird, weird guy.  :D

 

I remember I laughed out loud at a thread --can't remember which one-, it's about making a fanfic and you tried to 'kill' John's baby twice I think on the first page. Am I dreaming? I'm sure it exists! Kill as in good fun of kill), so.. who has good sense of humor? John I guess.

So I vote that you are more like John. In a good way.

 

How did I do? How bad did I screw up? Blame Moftiss (Hope I say it right this time) for anything undesirable.

Wow, I'm ... humbled. I will happily accept that description of me (I love being a nerd, by the way. )

 

The thread you're thinking of is the "What's the Worst That Could Happen" thread, which I was just trying to take literally! :D 

 

Molly Hooper is by far the most relatable bit of Sherlock for me.  If you made her a bit more cynical and a little less sunshine, rainbows, and kittens, I'd find us very much alike, I believe.  She's a little socially awkward, smart, but not in your face brilliant;  a quiet sort of background sort of intelligent/smart.  I certainly couldn't keep up with the likes of Sherlock or Mycroft.     But I find their intelligence and eccentricities very attractive.  I think that's part of the reason I feel very protective of Molly.  I want to her to get the happiness I feel she deserves, and I'm very glad she didn't settle and instead tossed Tom to the curb.  

 

Granted, she's not the reason I started watching and fell in love with the show.  Cinematographically the show is gorgeous, and I'm a sucker for that (Hannibal?).  And Sherlock (the character) is every bit as exotic and beautiful as the cinematography.  Basically, I fell in love with the show because I'm Molly... and Sherlock is... Sherlock.   

 

I have to admit, I identify with THIS ... the cinematography just sent me on first sight, and so did Sherlock a short time later. So in that sense ... yep, I'm a Molly too. And that is the perfect gif to explain Sherlock's allure; heaven help me, I just luvvvvv watching that man move....