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#41 SherlockedCAMPer

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Posted 18 November 2016 - 07:03 PM

What we need to do is pray that the US government makes the right decisions with the policies that are wanted and/or needed. These are not necessarily what many in society would agree with for policies but ones that uphold the constitution and many of the truths the founding fathers based their decisions on.

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Posted 18 November 2016 - 07:05 PM

I don't know if I can agree with all of that.

But at the end of the day, not my country.

I do think Trump was the wrong choice and I have concerns for his influence around the world.


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Posted 18 November 2016 - 07:09 PM

I thought that both main party candidates were the wrong choice.
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Posted 18 November 2016 - 07:10 PM

I would have voted for Bernie

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Posted 18 November 2016 - 07:12 PM

If I'd had a vote, I would have done too.

But then once he didn't have the nomination, I would have voted for Hillary.


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Posted 19 November 2016 - 06:41 AM

...In four years?

 
You're not helping. <_<


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Posted 19 November 2016 - 08:43 AM

Well, that's the system. We have fixed 5 year terms here now.


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Posted 19 November 2016 - 09:20 AM

...In four years?


You're not helping. <_<
If it makes you feel better, Britain had to deal with Margaret Thatcher for 11 years

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Posted 19 November 2016 - 09:23 AM

And the one we have now isn't much better.


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Posted 19 November 2016 - 09:26 AM

Do you mean Theresa May? Why not?

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Posted 19 November 2016 - 09:53 AM

I don't have any thoughts about Teresa May one way or the other, but I don't think she is anything like Margaret Thatcher. I'm from the Welsh Valleys, coal mining country, and Margaret Thatcher completely obliterated our entire society.  


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Posted 19 November 2016 - 11:09 AM

Are we playing top trumps?!

Ha.  Well I live in Scotland and 2 words:  poll tax!

But seriously, I'm a Yorkshire woman and was a student during the miners' strike...dark days indeed.

No I'm not saying TM is as bad as Thatcher, but she's the same party...one inflicted upon Scotland.


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Posted 19 November 2016 - 11:13 AM

No, not top trumps, just pointing out that Thatcher did a hell of a lot of damage.

 

Ha, did you mean 'top trumps' as a pun? In which case I only just got it ;)


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Posted 19 November 2016 - 11:16 AM

See, I am unintentionally funny all of the time!

And yes, I don't think I have ever implied that Thatcher was anything more than an unadulterated disaster.


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Posted 19 November 2016 - 03:37 PM

And yet you folks survived. I assume the US will still be around in another four (or eight) years.

Also, the definition of "disaster" depends on one's personal outlook. Some people were horrified when Obama was elected, but I suspect most of them now think he hasn't turned out too awful bad.

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Posted 19 November 2016 - 03:39 PM

Surely many of the horrified were just racist, pure and simple?


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Posted 19 November 2016 - 03:59 PM

Yep. And many people who voted Trump are also racist

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Posted 19 November 2016 - 04:03 PM

I don't know if people were genuinely scared of Obama though (except maybe the racists) but a lot of people seem terrified of Trump and what he's actually said he plans to do. The best thing to hope for just seems to be that he won't do all that much and will just be lazy for four years. 


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Posted 19 November 2016 - 05:55 PM

Surely many of the horrified were just racist, pure and simple?


Yep. And many people who voted Trump are also racist


I don't know if people were genuinely scared of Obama though (except maybe the racists)....


Amazing how much you Europeans know about not only racism in America, but also the true motivations of American voters! ;)

Of course some Americans are racists (likewise, so are some Europeans), and of course those people would be unlikely to vote for Obama. But I didn't vote for him either (even though I'm a 1960's-type civil rights advocate), simply because (like a lot of Americans) I don't care for his politics. He seems like a decent fellow on the personal level, though, and I sure wouldn't mind having him as a neighbor (if he were willing to live in my downscale neighborhood).

Similarly, there were surely a number of racists who voted for Trump, but there were also a heck of a lot of people who were simply scared silly of Hillary.

I've heard a couple of interesting ideas lately. One is that Obama's positive approval ratings were largely due to his affability -- so that even people who disagreed with his policies still approved of him as a person. The conjecture goes on to say that Hillary thought she could win the election by extrapolating the current popular president's policies, not taking into account that people in general do not like her personally.

The other interesting point being made is that FDR won the presidency because he knew best how to use radio, the popular medium of his day. Kennedy won because he knew best how to use television. Obama won because he knew best how to utilize the internet. And Trump won because he knew how to exploit social media and "reality" programming. It all makes sense, though I shudder to think that Twitter and "reality" programs are so many people's primary source of input.

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Posted 19 November 2016 - 05:56 PM

Depressing.


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