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Yes, that makes perfect sense -- from Moriarty's point of view. And welcome to Sherlock Forum, MainlyFreeMan! Looking forward to hearing more from you.

Let's not forget that at the pool Watson attempted to sacrifice his life for Sherlock by taking Moriarty hostage, telling Sherlock to "run" and thus escape. Upon seeing this, Moriarty informed John that he had shown his hand. Think about this statement by Moriarity....he had witnessed that Sherlock had a true friend with self-sacrificing agape love for Sherlock. Therefore Moriarty understood that the little amount of heart that Sherlock possessed could be touched by this friendship, and therefore could be a means by which Moraiarty could "burn the heart out of" Sherlock, by eventually making him choose between suicide and saving the life of his friends. But yes, I am still a bit puzzled by the death wish of Moriarty. But I wouldn't actually call it a death wish. I think Moriarty wasn't planning to kill himself initially. But as he pulled the trigger on the rooftop, I think he had become ambivalent about life or death. In fact, on the rooftop when he told Sherlock "you are me" and "bless you", I think Moriarty was revealing that he was self-deceived into some sort of euphoria about the heights of the cat-and-mouse game he was playing. In other words, his life had reached what he considered the highest possible life achievement: not just to have beaten Sherlock, but to finally fully realize exactly what kind of no-holds-barred genius Sherlock was. To realize that Sherlock was NOT boring or ordinary after all, but truly WAS extraordinary beyond anyone else alive...that Sherlock truly was his equal, and the only opponent worthy of the effort that Moriarty had made to trap him. Moriarty was standing on the top of the mountain, with the satisfaction of having put this person in checkmate who was truly greater than even he had known. He realized that the mouse he had caught was actually the only other cat like himself in existence. And this brought him to tears. I think this is why Moriarty says "you are me" and "bless you" to Sherlock. In a twisted way, Moriarty knew that he was finally understood...that there was someone else like him, who was his equal. And then because he had reached the highest possible height within his value system, nothing else in life would ever give him such a thrill again. Everything else would be pale in comparison, so he was ambivalent about taking his life. He had no problem sacrificing it all to cement the checkmate that he thought would cause Sherlock either to end his life or live the rest of his life in the guilt of having caused the deaths of his truest friends. But he underestimated Sherlock's rigorous planning for every contingency, and in truth ended up killing himself for nothing. It's interesting to consider that Moriarty overlooked that Sherlock's having set the venue of their showdown could mean that Sherlock was surrounded by accomplices and actors who could carry out a staged suicide.

We had recently moved from coastal southern California to Indiana. In order to keep our indoor-only cats reliably indoors, we learned to squeeze sideways through the front door, which generally worked very well. One day, however, our young California cat Daisy managed to squirt out, and heaven knows where she might have run off to. Quite fortunately, though, there was half an inch of snow on the porch. Daisy stopped dead in her tracks, clearly horrified, giving me plenty of time to scoop her up and take her back indoors. And she never ever tried that again.

My apologies for the delay! OK, I've loaded the entire text of Hound from Project Gutenberg, for ease of searching, and found this is Chapter 3: The only other kinsman whom we have been able to trace was Rodger Baskerville, the youngest of three brothers of whom poor Sir Charles was the elder. The second brother, who died young, is the father of this lad Henry. The third, Rodger [....] fled to Central America, and died there in 1876 of yellow fever. Henry is the last of the Baskervilles. I guess I still don't know the name of Henry's father ("the second brother, who died young"), but he was apparently not Rodger ("the youngest of three brothers") -- unless Arthur Conan Doyle exercised his well-known inattention to continuity by contradicting the above quotations elsewhere in the book. I encourage you to explore that possibility. Project Gutenberg (see link above) is an extremely useful resource for finding references within a book, because you can use your browser's "Find in Page" tool to search the whole thing at once.

Well, I wouldn't call myself either, really. I was already familiar with both terms, but not aware that "Sherlockian" had been co-opted. You make a very interesting point about how the distinction has changed, so I'm curious -- what do the traditional Holmes fans here in the U.S. call themselves now? I was hooked on the BBC program about ten minutes into "A Study in Pink," but I would therefore describe myself as simply "a Sherlock fan." And I've read all the original novels but only about half of the short stories. so I certainly wouldn't qualify on that score either. We do have some pretty serious devotees here, though, who come by every now and then.

Yes it’s a quote, but it’s a quote for thought carol. What are yours?

There was a time when these terms were readily understood. Their scope was nicely defined. Essentially both were the terms for a person well versed in the world of Sherlock Holmes. This world was generally understood to compromise the canon of stories,tv adaptations. Film outings,plays,scholarly writings and,to a certain extent, pastiche efforts. the more serious members of these ranks were also members of related societies and, perhaps, contributed scholarly articles to society journals. The principal difference between the two terms was that Holmesian was decidedly British (and formal)and sherlockian was used across the pond. since the BBC’s Sherlock had taken hold, the term Sherlockian has been appropriated in a way that Holmesian had not. Social media is full of people who describe themselves as Sherlockian. However, a significant number (not all) of these will have done no more than watched screen adaptations. In the uk at least, Sherlockian had effectively become a term for a fan of the BBC’s series. The two terms which were once separated by geography rather than scope, are now effectively separated in the uk at least by scope rather than geography. 🤔

Hello, Wenjie Liu, and welcome to Sherlock Forum! I love that! So there's more?

Thanks, Lee! I'll have a look and get back to you.

I have been obsessed with Sherlock Holmes for over thirty years. I am not merely fascinated by his masterful detective skills, but rather by the mindset behind them: that penetrating insight that cuts through the fog to reveal the truth, that tension between intuition and logic, and that obsessive beauty of seeking order in a chaotic world. Many people see Sherlock Holmes as a cold, calculating detective, but I increasingly feel that he is actually a rational poet of thought, carrying the flame of reason through the darkness. His deductions are not merely skills, but a philosophy. So I imagined: if, in their later years, Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson were to reunite at their old house on Baker Street, sitting by the fire at night, no longer discussing the bizarre cases themselves, but instead reflecting on **‘the methods behind the thinking’**, elegantly unfolding the art of detective work, the aesthetics of deduction, the mirror of humanity, and the eternal struggle between intuition and logic—what a fascinating conversation that would be! This is the inspiration behind this series. (Editor)

Hi carol, sir Henry’s father is not directly named in the novel but Henry’s father was Rodger Baskerville middle of Charles baskervilles two brothers. Sir Charles had been the eldest of three Baskerville brothers and Sir Henry, the Canadian son of the deceased second brother is Sir Charles’s heir. Rodger died of yellow fever in south America in 1876 I think it’s chapter six where the hound is further explored and sir Henry’s family’s history is examined.

Thanks, Lee! If that info is from the novel itself, what chapter(s) is it in?

Hello Dahonk, I’m a new member to the forum and I’ve just come across your post. Sir Henry’s father’s name was Sir Roger Baskerville and Sir Henry was the youngest of three brothers. Regards Lee

Hello, Lee -- welcome to Sherlock Forum! Even though this forum is primarily focussed on the BBC show Sherlock, we also have areas devoted to the original ACD stories, to other adaptations of them, and to general Sherlock Holmes discussion, as well as True Crimes, etc. Some members are interested more in one area, and others in another, so you will presumably find some discussions that interest you. Note that, unlike many online forums, we don't discourage posting in "old" threads (we enjoy hearing new perspectives), so if you'd like to add something anywhere, please feel free to do so! Likewise, feel free to start a new thread in any area. Looking forward to hearing more from you.

Hello my name is Lee, I’m a lifelong devotee of Sherlock Holmes and his world and a member of the SHS of London for many years, and I’m looking forward to engaging in conversation with fellow members very soon.

Didn't "get it" till I read the second balloon. Reminds me of a joke (?) I read once, where a little kid wanted to read "that book about a boy and his pet dinosaur."

I am obsessed with logic and deduction. When I'm not on Sherlock Forums, I'm practicing my deductions. I hope to become a famous deductionist one day.

Thanks, CunninghamHeritage, and best wishes for the remainder of your project. Wikipedia has a very informative write-up on this show, including episode info. Its Holmes, like Benedict Cumberbatch's in Sherlock, is in his early days as a detective. Ronald Howard (not to be confused with Ronnie/Ron Howard!) is the son of Leslie Howard (Ashley Wilkes in Gone with the Wind), and Inspector Lestrade is played by Archie Duncan (Little John in the Richard Greene Robin Hood TV series). Odd that the show is not more widely known.

This is such an amazing idea imo

Thusfar, I own three complete series DVD sets for the ill-fated and underrated 1954 television version of SHERLOCK HOLMES starring Ronald Howard. My goal is to own every complete series set of the show so I can produce a YouTube video detailing every release and selecting one as the winner. As the complete run is in the public domain, this will be quite the undertaking, but I believe it to be worth it in the long run to help those who wish to own the series on physical media, purchase the best set. I have more on the way and once I have all of the ones I will be covering, I will produce the video. Stay tuned.

You've probably seen the Court-Records Forums thread "You know you play too much Phoenix Wright when...", so let's do a Sherlock Holmes version! You can say as many lines as you want. I'll start. You know you're a Sherlockian when.... you study and practice deduction daily.(guilty) you think that anything and everything is a clue.(guilty) you know that emotional qualities are antagonistic to clear reasoning.(guilty)