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Not at all too late, we're happy to discuss every little detail with you. Welcome to the forum! (hey, if we had tired of it we wouldn't be hanging around here anymore now would we )

Hey, don't worry about that 😁 I am very validated now, even some of my busybody relatives told me I made the right decisions. Also, people and kids around me in public places validate me every day. 😁 My rant, I like cakes. I don't have sweet tooth, I don't eat a lot of cakes, but sometimes I crave it. And it's not easy to find good cakes that is not ridiculously priced around here. So, I decide to make my own lately. Been quite happy with the results, anyway, I always explore baking when I have time to do so, and feedback have always been positive (free will no threat I swear), but it's quite annoying strolling through forever to find the recipe after the author decides to tell you their whole life story before the recipe, or worse, it is hidden after another click/the need to navigate among those. Anyone feel the same? Do you actually read the blablabla? I know, I know, appreciate the creator. Nope, I just want my cake.

You never know... I feel guilty sometimes for bringing a child into this world with all its dangers and the dismal prognosis of climate change etc but on the other hand, has it ever been a "good" time to reproduce...? I took a fatalistic approach to it all in the end. Chances were slim enough that even though I'm not religious at all, I told myself well, if it works out I guess it's meant to be. I'm not so worried about how it'll all be for myself long term ("companionship" vs "meal ticket"), more about this little human whom I chose to be responsible for having a decent life and not cursing me for causing his existence. For myself, I have zero regrets already, the past four years have already been worth everything I can imagine. Still, traffic jams and covid rules, sniffles and babysitting can sometimes put a big strain on my nerves...

😄 I always wake up to that music because it's my alarm.

I'm sure you're right, if the history of "singular they" in English is anything to go by. That usage (and just to forestall any possible misunderstanding of what Tobe said, it's always used with a plural verb) has been around in casual English for decades at least. Back in the late 70's there was a magazine article berating the usage as "Wrong!" -- so of course I had to respond (they may even have printed it in their lettercol, I don't recall. I pointed out that historically, the word "you" was plural (singular was "thou"), but that people would address a higher-ranking person in the plural (akin to the "royal we"). But then that usage became more inclusive, presumably in an effort to be polite to everybody. Which is roughly where we are now with "they."

I actually wish we had singular "they" in German. It's so convenient when you aren't sure, are talking about an unknown person or trying to generalize. All we have is "he" and "she" and lots of professions have a male and a female name so to sound inclusive, you have to keep saying things like "the actors and actresses", which is long and clunky and complicated, and then someone who identifies as neither still feels left out - and has to either make up their own pronouns which nobody will use or settle for male or female anyway.

The very first one. I think it's hilarious and iconic and the franchise didn't take itself too seriously yet. I watch movies mostly for entertainment and relaxation. People in my extended family or acquaintances who don't know me that well often seem to think of me as some kind of cultured intellectual and give me arthouse films on DVD that end up sitting on the shelf forever while I fry my brain with high school comedies, kids' movies and musicals. 😅 The last in any way objectively "good" movie that I really enjoyed was "The Shape of Water". I liked the fairly tale feel of it. Old fairy tales like those in the brothers Grimm collection or Anderson are dark and weird too, after all.

I'm torn between thinking he must be a P and thinking he must be a J. Of course very few people are strictly one or the other. He's sufficiently P to perceive what the situation *is* -- yet sufficiently J to judge that's not how it *should* be, and therefore he recognizes clues. Regarding E vs I -- as an introvert, I can state that being one doesn't necessarily stop a person from wanting to show off. But maybe that's one of those in-between things as well.

I laughed out loud, when Watson referred to Moriarty being unmasked... considering we were all sitting masked in a sweltering theatre, I had to stop myself from shouting out: lucky, bloody Moriarty!

Might as well! True. But please don't hesitate to post any minor items as you think of them.

Thanks for the welcome... I should probably rewatch the series now that I have the blu ray set. I'll likely have more to say if I do that (and also peruse the forum more). 😃

Google Ecosia search after I saw Sherlock for the first time about 10 months ago. And only several years late too... must be a record for me. I fell in love with Cumberbatch's character and was trying to find a place to discuss (again, way too late, as per usual!).

I think there are two, actually different, developements here. One is the (also lingwistically) acknowledging non binary people, the second is a male/female emancipation of the language. To go on with the example: if you speak of a group of female actors you would say actresses. But if it is a mixed group you would say actors, and treat actresses as automatically included. The hope is to make women more visible in the language. Really not sure if it will work, the discussion might even distracts from the real problems. And it sound strange - but this is probably just a matter of getting used to it. Beside this, english speaking countries seem not to be more emancipation-friendly. I'm curious how it turns out. For now, the change seems to develop really fast. And I see the same development in Poland, that despite having different structure, has the same "gender problem".

It wasn't a difficult leap!

I wonder whether we take original Holmes to be more polite than he really was because of the differences between Victorian culture and our own. BBC Sherlock certainly isn't the most faithful portrayal of the character in the Doyle stories but I think it's a very interesting and far from implausible interpretation. Besides, original Holmes' characterization is inconsistent imho. Like so much in those stories. You can tell they were written over a long period of time and mostly to make money. That's my impression, anyway.

... When you watch the news and your first thought is "oh, poor John Watson!"

So I know that I haven't been on here for a while and to be honest I still may just check in sporadically, but know that BBC Sherlock and you all got me through a very tough time of my life. Since the last time I've had a child. Her name is Kennedy. I am officially a single mom and have been on the prowl for my forever mate. I thought you might like some pics of my current life. https://photos.app.goo.gl/kUCRAiMvPGrLcjzm6

The heat from the explosion maybe? They had one method in antiquity of blinding that involved passing a hot torch or metal plate close to the eyes, which started a very painful process that left the victim blind, but still in possession of his eyes (unlike, say, gouging).

Despite claiming that he retains only useful information in his memory, Holmes (in various incarnations) clearly has quite a collection of oddities stored away, apparently on the off-chance that they may someday prove useful. I recently came across a YouTube video [link] and a Wikipedia article (here) about some unique aspects of the engineering profession in Canada, including a simple but distinctive ring intended to be worn on the little finger of the engineer's "working" (i.e., dominant) hand. So I can imagine a latter-day Holmes astonishing his Watson by saying to a stranger he's barely met, "You are a left-handed Canadian engineer, I perceive." ******** Would love to hear about any such tidbits the rest of you may have encountered!

That's generally called "work spouse" and yeah, agreed. That kind of blind trust in teamwork is both hard to find and all the more cherished. Best friends needn't just be same-sex, imo. My bbf is a guy but since we've known each other since we were 11 and 13, respectively, it's more like siblings than anything else.

Can I like this twice? I love my husband but my relationship with my best friend is equally important and finding someone to work with permanently is a lot like getting married a second time for me. To the point that I stayed in a part of the country I otherwise would have left asap just because I think I found my "professional partner". Working together really well gives me a rush that's nowhere near romantic feelings but somehow equally satisfying.

Oh wow Carol, great thread idea! I sometimes try to imagine what Sherlock would deduce about me on first sight and why. Hmmm, can I think of anything as clever as the Canadian engineer? I doubt it... I'll have to think a little. As for what information is useful and what isn't, I suspect Sherlock just labels anything he personally finds interesting "useful" and the rest "irrelevant". He seems to be a big rationalizer.

I really enjoyed seeing this show at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival today.

He does have (some visible) characteristics of both extraversion and introversion. He seems to need or to feed on an audience at times (constant stream of verbal deductions as he weaves his way through case parameters, talking to John even after he's left the flat, etc.) as well as require solitude (disappearing into his mind palace), so kind of difficult to pin down. I'd peg him as either ENTJ or maybe INTJ on the Meyers Briggs type. Maybe INTP... Anyway, his apparent lack of understanding/ lack of need for human societal norms is something I totally identify with. Actually he probably understands them alright, inasmuch as he needs to in order to know they're useless and unnecessary. 😄

That's different, though. Men and women don't generally understand each other very well, so heterosexual partners still need friends, mostly of their own gender, people they can better relate to in many ways. Sherlock and John are friends and colleagues, which is quite possibly even more important than having a lover. (And whether or not they are also the latter is really none of our business, unless they care to share it.)

That last point almost goes without saying... I think we had a long discussion somewhere on whether Sherlock is portrayed as extroverted or introverted in this series. On the one hand, he seems to withdraw when he needs to think or recharge, which seems introverted, but then there's his need for an audience, susceptibility to boredom and flair for drama, so I really don't know.

Using "like" to mean "which one would make a good romantic partner for Sherlock" , then my vote is "neither ". He belongs with John. I do like both Molly and Irene though. Too bad Irene never made a reappearance later in the series.

It's never too late! What do you think it was that made you fall in love with Sherlock?

Well, if it's a bot, it's a simple-minded and/or unreliable bot!

... and one of the chairs is empty, of course. Poor Watson! One thing puzzles me -- judging by the photo on that YouTube page, he's playing Watson as older than I would imagine for The Final Problem, more like the usual movie Watson. Maybe he figured that's what people would expect to see?

Oh yes it was live, I wouldn't sign up to any on-line festival things. The guy did very well. He was quite emotional at the end. He was really moved by playing to a full house, after having been out of work for so long. Cool venue, too...a former church. The set is just the two chairs and hat stand, in 221B.

Don't think so. He has other projects to concentrate on. On the other hands, the scripts and a whole bunch of transcripts are available online.

Elementary, Undead Medic! 👍 Yes, it most certainly could be anyone... anyone with access to the scripts, as you said. I think it is someone using a bot, however there have been times the "admin" has gone M.I.A. for a few days; you'd think a programmed bot would keep going. Why and how? Good questions, but it's still entertaining, mainly because of some of the comments from the followers.

There appear to be two visually similarly named @sherlockscript accounts, one spelled “sher (lowercase L) ockscript” and the other, more recent and popular “sher (capital i) ockscript” This could be what causes the links to misbehave! @SherIockScript <- This is the link to the more recent, and more popular one.

I see what you mean. Well, at least searching on @sherlockscript works just fine. Could be. I certainly wouldn't rule him out. Or could really be anyone with access to either a script or a transcript. Which would be -- just about anybody with internet access. What puzzles me even more is Why? And why are they including the stage directions but not saying whose line it is? And are they actually posting lines every 20 minutes, round the clock, or do they take breaks -- and if the former, I'm guessing it's a bot -- which raises the further question, who set up the bot? Which takes me back to Why?

I also quite liked this one. It's in my top 10 films for 2020... the transformation that BC went through for the role was impressive and I thought that Oleg Penkovsky did a fantastic job in his role.

Hey, I'm jealous! I first saw Series 1 (quite by accident) when it first aired here in the US, almost 11 years ago. As Caya says, it's good to have some new people to discuss the show with. We welcome your comments, questions, (polite) complaints, rave reviews, etc.

Hi All, I'm new here, but only recently saw Black Mass and wanted to comment on this because it's something I also took notice of when I saw the film. I honestly just assumed Benedict gained weight since this movie was filmed around the time he supposedly quit smoking cigarettes and I recall an interview from that same time when he stated something like he was having trouble staying away from junk food. Is there some source info on the prosthetics? Never heard that before, but it's an interesting theory. Anyway... just some eternally late words from the peanut gallery on a dead topic. I love Sherlock though (Black Mass, not so much)... and I'll register for an account soon.

Wow! Woohoo indeed! Actually, I just came here to let everyone know I'm still alive, still being driven crazy by my move, still hoping to be back on a more regular basis some day. But I arrived just in time for Fantasy's news. Way to go, girl! Congratulations!

Guess who got engaged?

When I went for my first jab, the young nurse here in Scotland called me 'lassie'. I pointed out to him that it was long time since anybody ahd ever referred to me as a 'lassie'!

In German, Miss (Fräulein) is rarely ever used anymore, and personally I'm fine with it - it's literally the diminuitive form of Frau (Ma'am), so it means "little female", as if a woman weren't a true female without a husband, and that got some ugly undertones. Of course, in Vienna, the standard way to adress pretty much any woman is "Gnä' Frau" (short for Gnädige Frau, which was how servants used to address their mistresses, and as such one of the many holdovers of imperial Vienna) anyway.

Please don't be offended, I know it probably sounds not PC, and I'm aware of woke culture and all... But.. The gender pronouns kind of driving me the other day. You see, my language and couple of others that I know a bit of mostly don't have gender differentitation for the third person. So I remember the long translation and wonder why they are needed when I learned English way back when. The other day, I was watching an online Mafia game, and everyone was introducing themselves with the pronouns they liked to be refer with (he/him, she/her, them/their, sometimes combination and mix match). And I had seen it's getting more common for famous people to announce their preferred pronoun. So as an non English, I feel more and more like John in asking people if they like my potato when I'm trying to talk.

I grew up reading Sherlock Holmes, The Hardy Boys, and a bit of Nancy Drew so anytime I went on a site my name would be one of two things. Ideduce or Yourid. Ideduce comes from my love of mysteries. Though I also love crime novels which is a little different with some key aspects. The name yourid is me being cleaver whenever asked for a username or Id name. I figured Ideduce would be a proper fit and no one had the name so I'm quite pleased n_n