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Maybe someone already said this and I misunderstood, but my interpretation of this scene: SHERLOCK: It’s not a pleasant thought, John, but I have this terrible feeling, from time to time, that we might all just be human. JOHN: Even you? SHERLOCK: No. Even you. ... is that Sherlock has seen how John has been beating himself up because he had thought about cheating on Mary. So he's pointing out that even though John is basically a good man, nobody's perfect, and that's OK.

For me, my dog helps a lot. I'm against sleeping with dog for years (I have a bit of OCD etc etc), but when I finally do so (it started when he wasn't feeling well and I don't want to leave him alone), he actually makes me feel very safe, especially now, when I am practically separated from everyone that I love and things doesn't seem to get better. We would wake up in the middle of the night and gave each other nudge, I would look for him when I have nightmare and usually he is already there next to my face, and he is the first thing I would hug every morning. Actually I have no idea now how to live without him.

LEAVE ME!! LET ME BE!! WAIT! I CHANGE MY MIND!!! DON'T GO!!! HE IS GOOOOOOONNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Some librarian humor. [Link]

You can check if the fur is sticking out of a textile fabric or a skin. Also - if you burn it, it will smell of burned hair or plastic (hint, hint)

This. What were the alternative interpretations? I will repeat myself, but S4 is imo about expectations one has towards oneself and, actually, wanting to be someone else. Mary wants to be a normal wife and mother, John wants to be the ideal husband, he thinks Mary thinks he is - and the moral compass for Sherlock. Sherlock wants to be Mycroft. Mycroft wants to be an iceberg. All of them fail miserably. Probably even Mrs Hudson, who wants to be "just a landlady". In that scene Sherlock tells John how unrealistic his expectations towards himself were. And he says "we" because he recognized his own limitations too. And above all it's a good, surprising pun. And Mofftisses would kill for a good pun.

Okay people, how much money we got?

I feel you cat. I feel you.

Yes, I think he does / did look up to John that way. Which made it even harder for John when he found himself thinking, feeling and behaving differently. Imho, series 4 has many faults but what I love it for is the message that a person's worth and worthiness of love (in whatever form) doesn't / shouldn't all come from their abilities or achievements. Sherlock isn't only lovable because he's brilliant and John isn't only lovable because he's honorable. They have intrinsic value just as people and they learn to like each other just as people even if they're sometimes stupid or mean, as people are wont to be sometimes. I'm not saying there aren't limits and we should IRL forgive anything and everything all the time and stay friends with people who hurt us. If for you what John did crosses a line, even in fiction, that's really fine and understandable. For me, Sherlock's suicide charade, the two year absence and completely inappropriate behavior upon returning was already so appalling that I believe if they were real people, John shouldn't ever have let him into his life again. However, I can tolerate a lot more unhealthy shit on TV than IRL (and really like it there too to be quite honest), so in this case, I think it makes sense that John would have an extreme reaction sooner or later. And I'm not surprised it took the form of violence. Or that he was about to cut ties completely, even if it meant leaving Sherlock to die. It's unrealistic that their friendship can mend from all this incredible mess but what else is fiction for if not to make the impossible possible? I got the impression that Sherlock kind of knew that John needed to get a lot of anger and resentment out of his system and he kind of volunteered to be the punching bag. Maybe that was even his way of dealing with his own guilt. It's not exactly a strategy that I would recommend to actual living people but in this case - yeah, ok. Pass me the popcorn and the tissues. (Just for perspective, I am a person who enjoys the relationship between Harley Quinn and the Joker too so... I'm clearly a bit messed up. But I swear I have wayyyy different standards for people IRL and I do think I can see real abuse and don't romanticise it. I had the good luck to grow up in a pretty happy home, have pretty decent friends and marry a very decent man, so I guess I can afford to enjoy F***ed up fiction. I'm aware that not everyone can or wants to and that's very understandable and ok!)

Yah that's true. That lucky geezer. I would love to slam doors at people's faces and yell for them to check their IQ also, if that is not the restraining factor.

Lots of good commentary here. Notwithstanding that 'A Scandal in Belgravia' is my favorite episode . . . it's hard for me to see what Mofftiss turned Irene Adler into. I am a devoted stan of the original Sherlock-Irene ship first launched in "A Scandal in Bohemia". The Woman that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote is the Woman I would want for Holmes in any era. She is daring for her time, in that she is a woman on her own in a time dominated by men. She makes her own way as an artist of a very high caliber. She defies convention, as Sherlock himself does--the stifling convention of the Victorian era that had very narrow parameters of behavior for a female. Living outside the protection (ie, under the control) of a man as Irene does gets her labeled 'an adventuress'--code for a lady of lax moral behavior. The Woman takes a chance on love with an undeserving, brutal man, and fearing for her safety, she takes measures that could be construed as blackmail. But she's not doing it for money or for kicks, rather self-preservation. As long as she has possession of the compromising photograph that she safeguards, no harm will come to her. BBC's Irene is a lot more mercenary. She sells sex. She sells information. She works for Moriarty and she does it for the thrill of being bad as much as for the financial rewards. She's exciting--but she's not trustworthy, and she's not worthy of Sherlock, seeing as she is absolutely corrupted. The darkness in her speaks to Sherlock's own dark side--she represents what he might have become, if he'd decided to not be on the side of the angels. The original Adler is a refined and loyal, loving person who is resourceful enough to best Sherlock Holmes at his own game (twice). She was badly used by a bad man, but she is not herself bad, just bold enough to save herself. Also, Sherlock Holmes is the one guilty of criminal acts where she is concerned, not she--after all, he breaks into her home on more than one occasion and induces panic by having Watson throw a homemade smoke bomb into the street. A number of felonies. Adler is only guilty of wanting to protect her good name and her life from a powerful man who could easily have her killed. Her brains and courage, as much as her beauty and artistic accomplishment impress SH deeply, probably more. For him she is 'the One'--or as close as he ever comes to it. These two are easy to ship, and legend has it that SH and Adler meet again circa 1891 and make a child together. Works for me! Dr. Watson writes of The Woman as if he remains forever more than a little jealous of her--the one Woman who matched wits with SH and won, and that, for Sherlock Holmes is foreplay that endures forever. Modern Irene is very problematic as a partner for SH. She might stir his loins (if we can Go There)--but he'd never be able to trust her. He saves her life, but the prospect of her reverting to her old habits would be just too strong to ignore. Molly would be a much better match in terms of an actual day-to-day domestic arrangement, BUT whereas she's got a grande passion for Sherlock, I think he regards her as more like a little sister/assistant/whipping post. Essentially, Molly is Watson in female form. He relies on her and must grudgingly respect her skills to have entrusted her with the whole Reichenbach deception. She is loyal and he prizes that highly. Does he have the hots for her? . . . I have to say no, manifestly not. What he feels for her is platonic. As a Watson stand-in, they make a good team, professionally--and Molly is his equal in chemistry, which certainly has its uses. But Sherl would never be able to give Molly what she craves: a normal and fulfilling love life. For that, she needs to look at Greg. Lestrade is totally into her, and he's available in all senses, which Sherlock never will be .. it's not the way he's wired. The Sherlolly fan vids are really cute and seem to focus on Sherlock constantly getting Molly with child. I just can't go there with these two .. Sherlock would find such domesticity stifling and he would take it out on her and start being a butthead again. Molly deserves a more fully-rounded, emotionally adjusted man who is drama-free--Lestrade. Something in Molly is drawn to exactly those qualities in Sherl that make her the most unhappy. She's got a deep masochistic streak, does our Molly. Sherlock is not the guy to give her peace of mind or a fulfilling family life. She really needs to give the Inspector a ride on her merry-go-round. I think that would cure her of needing Sherl's romantic attentions and she could focus on being his friend/Watson stand-in. Sherlock likes working with her and isn't adverse to going out for chips . . but he would never submit to being her ''boyfriend". She's got to accept this if she wants a happy life.

That's exactly the position that all of us were in when this forum began in 2012 -- and we already had plenty of opinions! I finally remembered what scene it was that I read she'd been able to get changed: The Christmas party scene, as originally written, apparently had Molly just taking Sherlock's insensitive comments without voicing her objections. But Ms. Brealey put her foot down, and the scene was changed. And since then, she hasn't been such a doormat.

Sherlock would fly to Antarctica to study 457 arts of snow and talk to pengwings.

I think we shouldn't even donate used pillows and blankets, we adults, really need those pillow and blanket fort to protect us against this unpleasant world. Anyway, not really sure this is non-Sherlock, it could be John's. And this is probably not Mycroft's.

They say those who stay together tend to look alike eventually. The science of snorkelling.

It does! The plus sign next to "Quote" at the bottom of a post is the multiquote function.

Gendered products in general are one of my big pet peeves. Also that fuchsia pink color they make every women's product in is one of my least favorite colors. Can we have some variety please? Also pink used be the "boy's color" and blue used to be the "girl's color". Also "gendered" colors are a dumb concept and we should stop doing it. Just let everyone enjoy all the colors we have to enjoy without shame. Grr.

If either of you wants/needs a hand, let me know. There's not much demand so I'm a bit rusty, but I tutor Latin for local kids who want or have to take it at school or college.

Haha. Better, I should think. Judge for yourself!

This is for Carol, Inge, t.o.b.y and everyone who was discussing versions of Rebecca two years ago. We've got this coming up on Oct. 21. Netflix is on fire lately. Too bad about that Cuties controversy . . and also them getting involved with Harry and Meghan. Both of these items make me look askance at this company's business practices. However, I can't deny that they've got the resources to make some really great stuff. Cast: Lily James as the second Mrs. de Winter. Excellent casting. Equally excellent, Kristen Scott Thomas as Mrs. Danvers. Dame Judith Anderson owns this part, but Ms. Scott-Thomas looks like she will be chilling too, in a more grounded, less Grand Guignol parody sort of way. Anderson was Dani come to life from the pages of the novel, but nobody could be that much of a cartoon villain and not give her/himself away immediately. (Anderson's Mrs. Danvers is a sort of female Moriarty in her aesthetic.) Armie Hammer plays Max deWinter, and he is definitely more strapping and considerably younger than we've ever seen before. Armie is definitely easy on the eyes, and huge (6'5"), so physically, he can present an either protective or threatening demeanor which will serve the ambiguous Max very well . . but at 34, he is only 3 years older than his co-star. Lily is 31, but looks much younger, and can easily pass for the 24 that Mrs. deWinter is supposed to be. In the book, Maxim is supposed to be near 40, making the age gap between the Continental widower and the shy young ladies' companion nearly 15 years. Since Max has a very paternalistic manner with his new young wife, if he's almost a generation ahead of her that makes sense. It will sit a bit less well on a man who is nearly the same age, and I don't know if Armie has the heft for the part, despite his physical size. But this certainly looks like a very stylish and expensive ride. In terms of differing versions, though I am very fond of Hitchcock's Rebecca for its atmosphere, the leads are a bit problematic. Joan Fontaine has the tentativeness of an ingenue in her first starring role, but even dressed down, she is so beautiful, it's quite silly to suggest that she lacks self-confidence on account of being 'plain'. The camera loves her face and she wears ball gowns like a model. Laurence Olivier has Maxim's autocratic manner down pat and he was considered good-looking, wearing a mustache to make himself look older. Sir Larry is urbane but doesn't really exude a butch aura, and Maxim should have a very masculine presentation. My pick for top Maxim is Charles Dance in the 1997 version opposite Emilia Fox. Miss Fox was fresh out of drama school and was 23, doing her first role, so she was age-appropriate, though in the case of this duo, the age gap was so large, Maxim almost came across as a pedophile. (Dance was 50). In a lovely bit of casting synchronicity, Emilia stepped into the shoes of the role played by her mother, Joanna David 18 years previously opposite Jeremy Brett. Joanna looked quite young for her age, but seeing as she was a 33-year-old mother of a 5-year old at the time, she seems a bit too self-possessed and mature for the heroine. She looked very lovely, and has a low and pleasant speaking voice and some of that quality shines through in her daughter, though Em's presentation was a lot more awkward. Mrs. de W. is modeled on Jane Eyre, and it's always a tricky balance to strike between girlish naivete and romantic infatuation of her employer, her feeling of 'plainness' and social awkwardness amongst the upper classes with the inner steel and intelligence--and beauty that was always there that captivates this much older and more worldly man. I recently saw Jeremy Brett's turn. Very different to Sherlock Holmes, and I struggled a little to see him acting so angry and almost sadistic at times. SH's twinges of these emotions were construed as more good-natured. This version, and the Dance one suffer from the made-for-TV budgets and technology of their time. I'd have dearly liked to see both Dance and Brett have a crack at this role on the big screen.

To the U.S: Please do the right thing. Love from: The Rest of The World.

Curiosity got the best of me, from all those reactions from other countries, so I watched it. I feel like I was watching primary school's playground bickering.

Actually, as an introvert, being a librarian is awful. I don't just shelve books; I have to organize my own programs and help out with other programs as well as offer one-on-one service to help patrons find what they want. We're told to kind of hover around patrons who come in at the last minute - some people try to hide in the stacks or start setting up a base camp at one of the tables. If a staff member is nearby, people are more likely to get what they came for and leave. Yeah... until their mid teens, children can smell fear and it excites them. It was one of those state-paid-for training classes that make you wonder how someone is getting paid for giving it. I felt it was a filler question to pad the "entrance questionnaire". If it wasn't the Dewey decimal system (F DOY = Fiction, Author: Doyle & 364.973 Sch = Nonfiction, Criminal Justice Today by Schmalleger), it may have been in the Library of Congress system. (PZ3.D772 Si2 PR4622.S44 = The Sign of The Four, A Scandal in Bohemia, and Other Stories & HV9950 .S35 2005 FT MEADE = Criminal Justice Today by Schmalleger) It seems crazy, but the LC system is designed not only to categorize the books, but also to independently identify the location. It makes sense considering their VAST collection.

After watching Enola Holmes I found it to be fun, charming and very entertaining. Henry Cavill's unusually beefy Sherlock is an interesting change from the typical Sherlock mould. Cavill's Sherlock is more thoughtful and caring than normally portrayed and while interesting to watch he doesn't overshadow the main crux of the film, which is Enola. Millie Bobby Brown carries the film well and while it won't win any awards Enola Holmes is a fun way to spend a couple of hours. It isn't Sherlock Holmes, nor is it meant to be.

A God...? Seriously, I think what he means is that he was raised to believe that he, as a Holmes, was inherently special and above us "ordinary mortals". Considering the frankly superhuman abilities of his siblings, that's understandable to a degree. But it led to him isolating himself and trying to adhere to unattainable standards that didn't allow for typical "human" mistakes and weaknesses. And because he liked John so much, he put him on a pedestal as well, not for his mental abilities obviously but for his character. Because a Holmes can't have "ordinary" friends of course. If he lets someone in like that, the person has to be part of the special club as well. And then John got trapped by expectations too (not just Sherlock's, also his own and Mary's), and when he did stuff that wasn't so great and good and upright or felt resentful, selfish, whatever, he fell into an existential crisis. I think what Sherlock is saying with that "even you" statement is, John, I have come to realize that it's actually ok to mess up like a normal human being once in a while and you know what, I still like you, just for yourself. And it's ok to not be ok and I'm not ok either. Something like that. I love that scene at the end of The Lying Detective.

Seconded. Oh the luxury of being Sherlock.

Errrrrr...HOLD, hold on, who else is actually familiar with this??? Putting my shock aside, interesting stories Carol, although I barely know my living relatives, very confident that I could meet them on the street without recognizing them, let alone knowing how many offsprings they have. You guys are driving me nuts, I'm struggling with digital space problem, I have many 2T hard disks that are filled to the brim, I have probably four of them in my drawer now, and many at home. My phone is consider outstanding (at least when I first bought it at 64 + 128G of space, and it ran out). Now I am struggling daily to choose which one to delete. What am I doing you ask? The Hard disks are mainly for work, movie and pictures. Phone, totally pictures. Of what? DOGS! My dogs stray dogs, my dogs, dogs that I know, my dog, shelter that I visit, my dog, dogs, dogs, dogs!

*sigh* That's one thing that really bugs me about some people's reactions to period TV shows, movies, and books, namely the attitude that such works must be respectful to one and all -- according to current standards! Showing a fairly accurate picture of the Victorian era allows Enola to react to it much as we might in her shoes -- in other words, she's not only the Holmes of this adventure, she's also the Watson through whose eyes we experience what might as well be a foreign territory. This enables us to learn something about history! I read recently that a children's book award that had originally been called the Laura Ingalls Wilder Award, after the author of Little House on the Prairie and its sequels, is now called something else. This is because the Little House books are now deemed racist, because certain minor white characters react to the local Indians in historically accurate (albeit considerably watered down) ways, and even though Pa Ingalls (one of the main characters) counters those attitudes by teaching his children to respect the people whose land this used to be. Renaming the award displays the same narrow-minded attitude that prettied up the TV series based (somewhat loosely) on those books. How are today's children to be aware of the amazing strides that society has made in the past two hundred years, if they are "protected" from how things used to be?

I just finished an online class for my yearly training requirements. One of the essay questions we had to answer was: what kind of people do you believe are drawn to librarianship? Mostly I just summarized my paper.

Felt kinda blue this morning and needed some cheering up. Went searching and found this, hope it brings you a little cheer too. Btw, that was his last donation because Australia prohibits them past a certain age, he's fine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Harrison_(blood_donor)

Never too early to get that pre-lighted Christmas tree . . . No, I am not ready for Christmas. I am never ready for Christmas the week of, and I'm still salty about Facebook jamming Halloween memes down my throat, which began approximately a month ago. According to my 'Memories', I was complaining about the identical thing at the exact same time last year, so I'm not imagining the patterns of those sneaky algorithms. Apparently I can't program the algorithm to 'I hate Halloween and all commercial holidays; LEAVE ME ALONE'. Fall and winter holidays are certainly going to look different this year . . no trick-or-treat; no community parties, concerts, holiday musicals, packed malls, packed church services . . No wonder the stores are desperate for people to at least buy Christmas trees. I know three people who have had COVID and recovered. One was a frequent air traveler/convention speaker, and she got it early, in April; one is a nurse working on a COVID unit and one is a long-haul trucker. The last needed to be hospitalized for 4-5 days on oxygen. Ages range from the late forties to the late fifties. No prior conditions. At least two of them are regular exercisers. One's a vegetarian. The other, a long-distance runner who trains constantly. I know anecdotally of a person connected to my nephew's school--the spouse of an administrator--who died back in April--he was 50 years old. There's no rhyme or reason with this. Some patients in their 90s/100+ are walking out of hospitals. Other young adults of 20, 30 . .incredibly fit . .do not survive. With schools opening back up at all levels, I think we are on the precipice of a second wave. It is certainly not a hoax, but I wonder if the enforced shut-down of so much of the economy is going to have proved to be in vain, pretty much, rendering damage that will last for decades. We've all grown up hearing about the terrible travails of the Great Depression, and that's essentially where we are with our widespread unemployment and people going hungry and becoming homeless because they have no income. When my county went on lockdown in mid March, we had something like 14 cases and 1 death due to Covid. Now we are up to 1300 cases and 53 deaths. Draconian lockdown measures didn't actually work, and in any case the American public was not going to stand for more. How bad will it have to get in Jan. - Feb. to face that spectre again? All the elected officials know that COVID is the kyptonite issue. Governors/mayors who attempt to enforce restrictions are committing political suicide, and they are aware of it. Germs don't do politics, and this virus is opportunistically exploiting our political divide for its own survival. As Ned Stark says, "Winter is coming". We are in this for the long haul. I have not seen my 83-year-old mother since February. She has not hugged her grandkids since then, either, though she sees them occasionally. She can't go to church; bell choir and bible studies are cancelled; she rarely goes out anywhere. She was complaining about having to wear the mask when getting groceries--30 minutes,every 2-3 weeks. I am working full time and have to wear the mask for hours every day and get temperature monitored. I exist in a perpetual state of dry mouth. Que sera, sera. Stay healthy, everyone!

Carol, I suspect you tend to assume that most people are reasonable and sane like you. I would like to think the same and I usually try to stick to this approach as well but over the last few years, I have had to learn (reluctantly) that there comes a point where I have to draw the line. And what to do about those who try to replace knowledge with belief? Like "but I believe the earth is flat and I have a right to that belief". Um, yeah, sure you do, go right ahead, but don't expect me to dignify this belief with a serious discussion. I'm perfectly willing to discuss evidence and data and sources and probabilities, but just "I believe" - what am I supposed to do with that?

If I heard at the time (2 years ago) that he was vegan, I had forgotten all about it. Do you happen to know if he still is? As for fans turning vegan due to his influence, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the more enthusiastic ones did. If being a vegan also resonates with their personal view of life, then they'll probably stay vegan. But if they do it just because of him, then -- once they've moved on to another actor -- it probably won't last.

I don't think she really has, Bev -- she probably knows it in a fundamental sort of way, but she has not accepted it to the extent that she can actually let go and get on with her life. The "I love you" incident -- assuming (which I do) that Sherlock explained afterward -- may, oddly enough, have helped her understand the situation better, which may in time enable her to make peace with it.

I dunno, never used those. After I cut my nails, a couple of dog belly rubbing and sand playing, it would be nice, bald and good.

I wanted to talk about the show. I love forums, so I googled 😅

I would say that's the difference between a good story and the other kind, that the good ones make a point. Or as Gene Roddenberry used to tell the Star Trek: Next Generation writers, it needs to be about something. And I think part of the point in that scene is that it's often hardest to forgive oneself.

Sadly, it's very real everywhere in the world, even in another context too, we see it happened with 'legal' people as well. What terrifies me is that what happened to , while it was relevant in the past, it's even more so now. (My take could be on spoiler territory) Actually, because I was feeling uncomfortable quite a bit about whole 5A's weak plot line I feel: 1.okay maybe with this we could get more unique and creative plot like some of previous seasons I really like and 2.This issss a very thin line, it would be so easy to mess whole thing up, and is this too early? It probably fits final season (6?) better, or maybe, I don't need to see him at all because it could get really weird. Having said that, I enjoyed whole season two with Her and that one episode with 'Him' (not sure season 1 or 2) so I would give it a chance, especially when it's half to go. (I hate musical, but if they give me another rendition of TE with Creep I'll be more on board. I don't remember being upset, actually crackled at TE's expression and liking the earlier season of 24 (season2 or 3??) I enjoy him and Amanediel (sp) getting back together in the screen. So, do tell us what do you want to scream about. P.S. Sorry my post format is a mess.

I like your answer, DK -- fans are just grown-up little kids! Hooray for us!

I just read this thread. People post less and less on forums, for several years... It’s so bad ! I love forums. I am an admin on a French forum, and a member of several other forums, and it’s very difficult to continue conversations. Even if there aren't new Sherlock season, it’s interesting for a new fan to talk with people who love Sherlock for a long time!

If you have the kind of luck I do, right after you figure it out the site will be bought out by Photobucket.

Okay, of all the threads on this forum, this is the one that obviously needs the most attention. *clears throat* What does a grape say when it is stepped on? Nothing, it just lets out a little wine. Where do animals go when their tails fall off? To the retail store. When Dad turned 65, he started running a mile a day to keep fit. He's 70 now and we have no idea where he is.