bedelia1984

Oh so glad you did like it. Like a lot of good shows, I do question the ending a lot, but I totally agree about the guys, especially Ray. In a weird way, he felt like my grumpy spirit animal. Marnie drove me demented but then in a way I sort of loved to hate her!

Just crawling out of my heart shaped sherlolly coffin to say I also want more Sherlock and Molly! Actually it kind of alarmed me that they left such an open-ended ending as I can't really imagine how they would satisfyingly pick it up. Don't even talk to me about The X files, my first television true love. I would also watch more even though they really botched the end of the reboot imo. I really want more Sherlock, even if I end up complaining about it I don't care, I still want more. 😭

I am thinking of growing my own heirloom tomatoes. I love the way the ones with the ridges look. I bought one in a high end food shop once and it was 4 euro for one tomato! But it made a serious tomato sandwich. - Sorry my page hadn't refreshed i thought people were still talking about tomatoes 🤣

I got Sherlock too! I doubt the scientific nature of this quiz, some of the questions are rigged.

It occurred to me reading the chat on other threads, that it would be really cool if Moriarty and Eurus first met as children (perhaps in a therapist's office) and began to plot Sherlock's demise together at that time. It's sort of like childhood sweethearts gone wrong.

I will take my next thought on this over to TFP in case anyone wants to chat more about the above.

I'm not sure if its the story you are looking for, but Sherlock Holmes and The Adventure of The Pigtail Twist by MJH Simmonds seems to have some reference to silver polish on a footman's shirt in chapter 4.

I have very few problems with Eurus- I mean, sure, in my heart if the lost Holmes sibling was Mary, or Moriarty, I would have loved it, but to drive the story forward, it might make more sense to close those chapters and start something new. The only thing I'll be upset about is if we dont get any more. 😢

I agree about the fatalism, which to me is most pronounced by the time they introduce Eurus, which kicks up the nods to the ancient greeks more than a notch. To me, Moriarty and Sherlock are like old enemies from past lives. It's interesting to think what they must all have been like at that age, (the Carl Powers time) taking into account Eurus was already institutionalised and Mycroft probably as imperious as ever. Perhaps, as a criminal, Moriarty was from the start a particular kind of deranged mixed with devious that only Sherlock could understand and identify. Maybe, also, if we're allowed to fill in the backstory, having lost a hyper intelligent, criminally inclined sister, Sherlock might have started to subconsciously seek ingenius criminals elsewhere, whilst on some level really looking for her? (I know, it's giving them too much credit for planning!)

Oh wow, if that scene was ever filmed, it would be so amazing to see it! I just think their chemistry would be so incredible (the actors and the characters). I'm just the same, I always want there to be a reason that will make sense of everything, even Moriarty. Thinking he knew about Sherlock and Carl Powers instantly makes me think, but how and why and for what reason and how far back does it go? Frankly it's so exhausting I might need a Christmas sherry to recover from all the mental gymnastics.🤣

Oh Yes! Or maybe she got even with her husband's brother/cousin! I don't know enough about the Sherlock family tree to speculate further 😂 And before anyone says it, I do take note that this is Sherlock and not The Bold and The Beautiful.

Yes it's the most likely option. I used to have some kind of complicated backstory in mind that Moriarty was really the lost Holmes brother, or that he stole Carl Powers' identity (I still think the photo of him as a boy resembles Andrew Scott), but all we actually see is that something sparks with Sherlock in TGG. There are aspects of The Final Problem that throw things off for me as well- like for how long were Mycroft and Moriarty doing their backroom deals? I would have quite liked a flashback scene to show what their true relationship was, as Mycroft is a slippery fish, too.

Yeah I can see that. I'm never sure about Moriarty whether he became interested in Sherlock from the beginning, just based on hearing about him (and then maybe that case about the boy with the trainers, did we know whether that was him? Apologies that I've forgotten). Or whether the true 'bromance' if you'll forgive the term, took off from their first in-person meeting? I can imagine Moriarty obsessing about someone from afar, even stalking them, before meeting them, not sure why I think that about him.

I also always thought that Sherlock seems to be her favourite. This is a wild theory, but I did wonder if Sherlock could be a child from her revenge affair. Though that's complicated by how much he looks like his father.😂 This was my take too, though I thought it went a bit further, and Moriarty developed almost a love/hate obsession with Sherlock as a playmate. There are some minor characteristics that Sherlock and Moriarty have in common, that I feel like they recognised in each other (e.g. that detached love of 'the game'), and there was something magnetic about that dynamic.

It's a tricky one though isn't it? I can see why you would read her assassin-life that based on what they show of her career, and yet the whole business of her and John's residual tension hinges on her past being more seriously a dark secret- something that she withheld that might have cast her in a bad light/ caused John to rethink the marriage. I always thought her story stemmed from old school Moftiss logic, rooted in HLV, that notion some people out there deserve to be assassinated, and that Mary killed mostly that variety. Yes exactly, I think it's a way of cooking a frog in France, but that's the concept.🐸 Oh yes Sherlock always taking Mary's side- I do think most of this is Sherlock's innate narcissism- he sees much of himself in Mary, and therefore thinks like himself she is especially deserving of forgiveness and also it's for this reason that he thinks that she will make a good match for John. After TLD, one does doubt his forgiveness. Though maybe it isn't even about forgiving the lies- it's more the not knowing who she really is any more. Surely the comfort and intimacy of their relationship have to have been affected by her double life- I could see that making John feel quite lonely and lost. In general, I don't mind less John because I'm mostly there for Sherlock. However in terms of the structure of the show, they do start off with John's story of meeting Sherlock, they start with his efforts to find friendship and love, and his loyalty to Sherlock. So to the extent s4 was an ending, there could have been a little more of John's personal journey and where he has settled as a person, just to make teh show feel more whole. I hope there is still time and I do appreciate that some storylines may have been rushed together especially Mary's death, which made it necessary for John to stall a bit. Also, even though he has a daughter we don't get any impression of the significance of that relationship or even the sort of Dad he is. I feel like we were so much closer to John in the early years, we would have known much more about that side of his life back then. I would like them to try and re-balance some of this if there's more.