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  1. I meant suppositions of ghosts rather or mysterious apparitions that are mentioned in the stories, but I'm not against you moving the question.
  2. Sorry if this isn't the right category, but since ghosts appear in numerous adaptations of the Canon and quite a few stories by Conan Doyle I put this question here. You may move it elsewhere if it's possible. What I mean is the scene when Sherlock's phone buzzes with the Irene Adler sound. John clearly sees Mary's ghost at one point, but does Sherlock see her too at the same time? Not in my view. The camera implies each man sees her alone even if the other man is in the same room at the exact moment. She tells them both things, but when Mary talks to Sherlock John can't hear or see her and vice versa, correct? I thought she appears to each man in turn. Sherlock sees her, but then John can't see her talking to Sherlock even though he's in the same room. They never see or hear her both at the same time, right? Does anyone have another opinion? Ghosts in films appear to a group of people, but they may appear to important people in their lives individually. Obviously Mary is one ghost, she doesn't multiply as an entity. This isn't a zombie or whatever interpretation. Sorry if this sounds confusing. Hopefully I've been clear and if not you can ask.
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    Mary Morstan

    What did Sherlock mean when he told Mary at Leinster Gardens that the police will see her face on the facade and reach conclusions? This is a question I asked on this forum and it offers some of my ideas about Mary that maybe some of you might like to read. I list sources when necessary. There are some things that some users may be unaware of regarding how Mary was presented by Moffat. Did Mycroft knew Mary was a freelancer? Why didn't he try to save her when Sherlock told him Ajay is around? is another question of mine. Notice nowhere do I say that Mary Morstan was perfect. In fact John isn't either in this series.
  4. I'd like to thank Carol for giving us all valuable information in her reply to my comments. Some of the things she wrote about were new to me like Charlie's Chaplin's descendants and painting. I found some time to look here now. Kabul has made ma devastated as well some 'domestic' issues with Belarus. I was hoping MF would say something in an interview or give a brief remark to a competent journalist, who is sensitive about a death and is not running after sensations.
  5. I've just learned that Ms. Una Stubbs didn't know her father's parents. Her grandmother Annie was an illegitimate child and had a child in a workhouse in 1908! Could it be her father? No idea, but he was born in 1908. Her mother was Irish. Una means lamb in Irish and Latin in unity. Does anyone know more? It's not a typical UK name like your Anne Smith. Of course it's lovely, but it's unique. I'd associate it with Italy or Romania using logic, not England. I remember when Sherlock said that famous quote it was Christmas and he was eating mince pies in the 2012 episode. He took one out of the fridge, with white icing! Not sure about her father's orgins. Almost everyone is paying tribute. Moffat and Gatiss are devastated, but Cumberbatch may be more upset as he knew the actress as a child. Couldn't see any message from Martin Freeman, though. What will happen now? I posted a few months ago that maybe a new season will be out in 2023. It must be in my profile. There's a list of what I posted perhaps. What a sad story. For consolation I may say the lady died before Friday 13, which is tomorrow from a European perspective.
  6. If you've read Christopher Redmond's book " In bed with Sherlock Holmes'' pay little attention to it because the author has said it's outdated. Be aware everyone. It's from 1982. He's written other books since then about the detective. As for Klinger I was trying to be gender neutral to see other people's reaction. For sure he's a man, but we are witnessing a new time in the history of linguistics. This can't be ignored. I just wanted to see how certain remarks look in print in terms of English grammar.
  7. I'm not sure if Baring-Gould is credible in his opinions. I trust Leslie Klinger, though s/he makes mistakes. However, they're not like the ones Baring-Gould makes. Holmes: By the way, Watson, you know something of racing? Watson: I ought to. I pay for it with about half my wound pension. Holmes: Then I’ll make you my Handy Guide to the Turf. This is from Shoscombe Old place and I think there is a discussion about Watson's knowledge of racing in The Silver Blaze. I got the idea when I read the story 10 years ago that both Holmes and Watson know about betting. I wondered if Watson would be so foolish as to make debts from cards in a gentleman's club as he's quite moral and serious. Holmes wouldn't bet either as he knows you don't win at a casino.
  8. What about the Silver Blaze? Isn't betting on horses mentioned there by either Holmes or Watson? I can't remember now. However, I do remeber reading about horses and betting in the context of Watson somewhere. Ideas rarely come out of thin air. Some fans have dismissed Baring-Gould as hardly credible, but it's nice to read other people's opinions. Christopher Redmond is a better analyst in my opinion or Leslie Klinger, but they're not perfect, naturally. They just seem more modern in their approach post 1970 that is. Theft is serious, I always knew appealing to others pays off, metaphorically to be clear.
  9. It does seem quite peculiar that a man like Watson would bet on anything from horses to boxing fight results. I don't think gambling suits him as he seems wise and knows how much money he has to live on.
  10. Carol, thanks for telling me about British city to city trains and the metro. As much as I like most things British some issues still confuse me and I bet not only me. I wouldn't expect a 3 star hotel in such an area, but can't check it out myself.
  11. In the stories the narrator claims that Watson bets on horses, but not large amounts " in the bank large amounts.." to digress a little this is from the musical Oliver! Then there's that chequebook Holmes keeps locked, but why is never explained. I'm using "narrator" rather loosely. The doctor has an army pension and is wounded in the shoulder. Stamford introduces him to Holmes. At first Watson is worried about the cost of the rooms but is curious about the un-Victorian guy Stamford is keen to introuduce him to. You have to admit that Holmes is really not your typical Victorian gentleman! I always thought the doctor stayed away from hazard. Gambling was common in the Victorian era among all classes, but dr. Watson seems to be an ordinary man, an average Victorian physician.
  12. https://moovitapp.com/index/en-gb/public_transportation-20_22_Leinster_Square-London_and_South_East-site_27596771-2122 according to this the Overground is at no 20-22, not necessarily 23 Leinster Gardens. A hotel called Henry VIII gives the facade as its real address and it's 4 star at least.
  13. I checked online and I think it was the word "carriages" that I found confusing. In most cities trains and metro are different. In London Overground is the trains that get from city to city and Underground is the metro, for example. it seems I made a confusion with the empty hearse when Sherlock is talking to a youth about disappearing compartments.He's talking about trains and British English there. I found out that the Tube(metro) passes near Bayswater . SHERLOCK (over phone): ... the empty houses. (The camera rises up towards the rooftops of the buildings.) SHERLOCK (over phone): They were demolished years ago to make way for the London Underground, a vent for the old steam trains. (The camera lifts over the top of the houses and reveals that behind their front walls there is nothing else of the buildings. The houses on either side are complete but these two have only the front wall remaining, and underneath the houses runs a train line along which a Tube train now passes by.) As for Speedy's am interested as I don't live in London, so any news anyone?
  14. Most people seem unaware of the fake facade. They found out about it after the episode aired, even though they live close by. Trains don't pass through there anymore, doesn't Sherlock literally say this. No electric trains there as it's empty. The Tube passes further away. Lace curtains were really party of pre 1939 life, yes. The area around modern Leinster Gardens seems wealthy, though. The showrunners said they wanted to include the facade for amusement and see if people knew about this. It's a famous landmark in London. I don't know what the area was like before WW2 though. As it's away from the Docklands I think it was a middle class area. Later it probably became more wealthier. Carol, your parents were wonderful if they could have a separate sitting room from the dining room near a railway track. Filming Sherlock didn't seem to cause much disruption there as most people didn't know what was going on apparently. It's Speedy's cafe and the place where they film the exterior of the flat that onlookers tend to admire making lud nosies when Cumberbatch appears. https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/leinster-gardens-false-facades has accurate images where you can see this strange construction.
  15. I just wish we were told what conclusions Sherlock reached in the empty house before calling the interested parties in. 2 sentences would've been enough. He must've spend a whole day there if even his own brother started looking for him! Mycroft engaged the police and that means a lot. I mean when Mycroft gets involved it's important.
  16. I put it as confused as police officers make mistakes due to the "99%", but from a grammatical point of view I get the English.
  17. "Or maybe the apparent inconsistencies are merely areas where we don't have all the data." Well, said. That's what I mentioned in my question about Mary meeting Sherlock in Leinster Gardens. She took a gun there and shot a coin. My question is on my profile. It really did cause a stirr on the forum, but in a good way. I said if Sherlock knew she had a bad plan he wouldn't have her meet John anyway. Sherlock says he asked Mary into the empty house to sort something out with her husband. He knows she didn't kill him. It seems he spend quite a long time alone thinking things over and then asking John and Mary to come separately. His absence caused Molly, Lestrade and Mycroft to look for him. You'd think the whole Yard was trying to catch a lunatic! But it's Sherlock who ran away from a normal hospital. He reached some conclusions is what I assume. As for Mary carrying a gun I took it as a safety measure because Magnussen's around. That's never explained though. It would be nice to see what Sherlock came up with. He spent the whole day in that house and part of the evening. John says Mary will be treated like a client on the sofa in Baker Street and then we learn what we learn. As for Mycroft I'd have thought the appearance of Ajay who could threaten his girlfirend Lady Smallwood would be enough to spring him into action. The guy was in captivity. No wonder Sherlock's angry at his brother's indifference and says "not on my watch". There's that face Mycroft pulls when Sherlock asks him if he knew who Mary was. I don't see an indication of Mycroft being suspicous of Mary. He seems impressed with her hacking skills in the special. What if he sent Mary on purpose so she could keep an eye on John and Sherlock to stop them from doing silly things? In The Empty House she seems to behave as a mediator and Mycroft doesn't attempt to stop the wedding. It made me think. Also in season 4 if you look closely Mycroft seems to be horrified at Mary's death. It's stated that Mary worked for other people, yes, but I doubt one of them would be a baddie like Bond's Blofeld. You pick a side. In real life we do that too. In the special Mary works for Mycroft. Sure it's in Sherlock's head, but it's a clue. The problem is this is never explained. Honestly this series is making me irritated at times. Sure, it's interesting, but when anger comes in ober plot holes I understand why some users and viewers may want Sherlock to end with a season full of clarifications.
  18. Sherlock goes to Mycroft's office and tells him about Mary. Look at Mycroft's face when he says this if you have access to this episode. It makes me wonder what Mycroft knew about John's wife. Mycroft says assassins like her don't die naturally. I assume she works for the MI6, among others. If she were a villain Mycroft wouldn't have even allowed her to approach John in the first place and would've gotten her out of the country. In another episode Mycroft calls M and that's Bond's boss. No wonder Mycroft works for the government. He has access to an unbeliveable amount of secret documents as far the plot of this series goes. John and Sherlock also behave like criminals at times. Mycroft knows who Ajay is, yet isn't concerned about him. The guy knows something and is a threat to Mary, but Mycroft shows no sign of interest. Ajay could even threaten Lady Smallwood and reveal MI6 secrets! He's convinced Mary's a traitor. Then Sherlock angrily says "not on my watch" which shows that he knows a few things about Mary, others apparently don't. For reference resd my question on Mary shooting Sherlock, but not killing him. Shouldn't Mycroft be interest in a man like Ajay, who after years in captivity may pose a threat to British security? Mary is John's wife. She's pregnant as well and a friend of Sherlock's. Mycroft is Sherlock's brother. Lady Smallwood is Mycroft's girlfriend (at least I see it like that, though it's not explained), so a lot of people are connected to each other. I found this issue to be quite puzzling. It's another example of inconsistencies in the plot of the series. Comments welcome as usual, I mean that's what we're here for! Cheers!!
  19. I'd like to say that we never find out who Uncle Rudi is for example. Why would John text a woman on the bus while being married? Yes, he had girlfriends before the wedding and many literature critics debate if he was a womaniser. Dr. Watson talks briefly in one sentence about his vast experience with women and Holmes says the fair sex is his area of experitise. However, the married doctor/John would behave like a gentleman or decent guy in modern parlance. It's not explained what happened to Mycroft's assistant from season 1 who had a Blackberry phone or maybe it was mentioned in one sentence and now I forgot it. The virus in the data from the special episdoe mentioned by Mycroft who is fat is peculiar. Maybe it's proof that the story takes place in Sherlock's head, but it's not explained. Viruses did exist in the Victorian era, but data as a word was used differently as computers didn't exist then. At Sherrinford the Holmes parents just accept that Eurus is suddenly alive while Sherlock accepts her as a relative and Mycroft just lives. I'm not even sure is she stays in the facility. She escaped from it. Why didn't Trevor's parents look for him? How come Mr and Mrs. Holmes quickly accepted that Trevor's dead and didn't look for their daughter? There's mention of a fire, but for me this was inserted into the plot out of the blue. John gets out of a well without a key to the chains. Sherlock and John survive serveral explosions during the series. They even carry guns though John is in the army. Technically he wouldn't be allowed to keep a gun in Britian this century. Mycrofy also survives miraculously when the flat is destroyed in The Final Problem. There's a lot to think about. About Millverton kindly look my remarks about Mary shooting Sherlock ( I asked a question in January, so it's on my profile) , but not killing him as Magnussen was the target. Sherlock surprised Mary in the process of killing CAM. In the story it's the female that shoots him and Holmes knows this, as does Watson. I make a reference to the orignal story there and give a theory of my own. Thanks goes to Carol for mentioning the Milverton story.
  20. Gatiss has said that though he's a homosexual himself John and Sherlock aren't but some people don't want to believe this. Tea? It's a British custom invented by a lady who was hungry between the 12 pm meal and the 18 meal. Dinner was had at 12 and tea at 5, supper was at 7. Then some time between Jane Austen's era and the 1840's lunch was eaten at 2 pm by middle and upper classes. It's unclear if Queen Victoria's lady in waiting invented tea but it certainly was a lady of noble birth. The idea that it was Queen Victoria's lady in waiting makes a good myth I suppose. Sure, Russians also drink tea as do the French, but the way the British do it is so unique. Now tea in Polish is herbata, from the French herbes, not from Russian. The Russian word for tea is from Chinese (or maybe I should say Mandarin). Poland is always in the middle of one thing or other. A digression. I have nothing against LGBTQ+ people, but I think that confusing Conan Doyle with Oscar Wilde just because they lived in the same decades is missing the point. The Sign of Four was published in 1890 and Oscar Wilde was relased in 1895. Yes, there's " my dear Watson" and Holmes's reaction to Watson being really badly injured in one story, but that's our modern thinking. Few of us can really ask a Cambride or Harvard historian to tell us about the relationship between men in that period. Moffat and Gatiss have said in mumerous interviews that allusions to homosexuality are to be treated humorously, but some people can't accept this. In BBC Sherlock Holmes does have sexual intercourse with Irene Adler and Gatiss has said that himself, but that doesn't mean they're in love, sorry. Many internet users seem to think Watson is lying in the story when he says Holmes wasn't in love with her. Holmes says he hates emotions. In the last stories as Holmes is over 50 there are hints that he observes women more carefully. However, he always seems to admire they're attention to detail. he tells Watson that Miss Morstan would've been a good detective herself! He is a feminst supporter sort of as is Watson to some extent.
  21. I don't think the series BBC Sherlock should be confused with the stories. That's important. Carol's question about the club being limited to diplomats is of interest. In the Greek Interpreter it's not stated what sort of men went there. Neither does the story about the Bruce Partington Plans give clues. All that we know is that the club was for men who didn't like having conversation with others and that talking was only allowed in the Stranger's Room, though why it's written in capital letters I have no idea. This brings me to the next topic I want to start about Mycroft in the stories first and then in the series. I wanted to keep the Diogenes separate from the "spy" issue and the functioning of the club. Thanks for J.P who explained what 1972 means, I had no idea what could it possibly mean. Here's a bit about clubs and female members. Apparently in the 19th c courtesans didn't go to such places, even by invitation. I thought it a convenient place for men to dine with grandes horizontales ( a French term used also in English for the most expensive ladies only the upper echelons of aristocracy could afford) before going to hotel rooms or the woman's house, away from the eyes of female relatives. If the clubs were places for men there must be a deeper reason for this. Still only the Queen is allowed at White's. Will The Queen Consort, Catherine be allowed as well? She won't be a monarch. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/apr/30/time-gentlemen-when-will-last-all-male-clubs-admit-women https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/27/to-drain-the-swamp-of-men-only-clubs-there-must-be-a-public-register https://time.com/5706134/the-wing-london-members-clubs-history/ I want to thank Herlock Sholmes for information about existing clubs and what goes on there. Honestly, I'm surprised at how recent the online texts are. I didn't know how much of the Victorian era is with us and that there are streets in London that seem to cater to a male clientelle selling all sorts of items. Carol has some interesting points about who was considered a gentleman in the Victorian era. I never thought about a rubbish collecting business! However, my point was to emphasise that Mr. Gardiner, Elizabeth Bennet's uncle would belong to a club in the Victorian era and would be considered a gentleman in the same way as Mr. Thornton from Mrs. Gaskell's novel would. I doubt Conan Doyle would be admitted to the same club an earl frequented. There was system, maybe someone knows more.
  22. I suppose what separated a gentleman from a worker was the fact that he belonged to a club, you're right. The word "gentleman" changed in the Victorian era. Compare that to Mr. Gardiner being called a tradesman by Charlotte Bingley, though he lived in a fairly large house, two stories at least and presumably had one cleaner. In Conan Doyle's time a gentleman was a man who had manners, but probably wouldn't engage in a duel as these were made illegal in Jane Austen's time, or maybe I'm mistaken.
  23. It was a room where speaking was allowed, that much I understood, but it's the name that puzzles me. The club was for members and women weren't allowed in unless they were maybe courtesans, but I'm not even sure about that. I'm not a historian. The idea that gentlemen don't speak to each other and just read ignoring each other's presence " have no wish for the company of their fellows" to quote from The Greek Interpreter, is beyond my comprehension. In the Victorian era clubs were places where fortunes were lost due to gambling, fights with fists erupted over financial losses, especially as a gentleman claimed another was cheating.Card games were played, alcohol was drunk and tobacco was smoked. It could get quite noisy as far as I understood from 19th c novels or from reading about that historical period. The interiors were richly decorated and I think that by the end of the Victorian era suck clubs weren't necessarily for the aristocracy. Middle class men had their own clubs. Conan Doyle belonged to one. It's main purpose was to discuss exploring. This club was a "poor relation" of the Royal Geographical Society and its members had to have a record of some travelling I read somewhere. Apparently the club was modelled on a real place called The Athenaeum. I understand the Greek reference to Diogenes. What are your ideas about this?
  24. I read the norwoodbulider text too but I can't really imagine Watson in an Egyptian brothel or in the arms of a Parisian courtesan. In India he wouldn't have time to visit a woman of the night with his duties I assume. As a doctor he knew about diseases, though the knowledge of the doctors at that time about anything medical was scant. Doctor Watson seems to be quite celver, he washes his hands. Even in the 1880's a number of doctors didn't do that. Thanks to all respondents. In 1881 Warson wouldn't have travelled round Africa, I disagree. The Suez Canal was the established route, although he may have visted Bombay at some point in his life, but I'm not sure it was necessarily on his way to Britian. Yes, it was common for young man to visit brothels as students and there were madams with places for middle class clients by the late Victorian era. I doubt dr. Watson was a virgin when he married Miss Morstan, but that doesn't make him a Casanova. How many women would he visit as a student of a medical college and then a doctor, though? I heard about that wife in America, but I don't see how that's possible. He never mentiones the States or Mexico. One of the continents can't be South America as he doesn't know basic Spanish. I doubt he went to Australia. It's Holmes that mentions the wife from 1902 in a story written by himself. Him being Holmes doesn't devote much time to her. Sure, Mary is the love of Watson's life. He's impressed with her mind from the beginning of the book. The Sign of Four is a book, but few people notice this. There are 56 stories and 4 novels written by Conan Doyle.
  25. I can't recall the name of the survey, but it was about which persons are real and which are fictional. I think it was conducted in Britian. Here's what I found for those that are interested in the survey according to which some respondents thought Sherlock Holmes was a real character, animate, with body and flesh to put it humorously. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/13/michael-goves-claim-teenagers-ignorance https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/winston_churchill_a_myth_sherlock_holmes_real/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1577511/Winston-Churchill-didnt-really-exist-say-teens.html you need to subscibe to read the Telegraph, but maybe if someone has one they could access the text. I'm just offering different points of view. There was an article from the daily mail, but apparently it wasn't reliable so I didn't post it. However I include a tabloid to balance the views, honesty is vital. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britons-think-winston-churchill-and-florence-291974 you have to consent to cookies for this one. This is from a different country https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/many-britons-think-gandhi-never-existed-churchill-was-a-fictional-character/articleshow/2756814.cms?from=mdr https://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-02-04/nearly-quarter-of-brits-think-churchill-a-myth-poll/1031856 Enjoy and feel free to comment!
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