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BTW, apparently Una Stubbs was not on set.  The fact that Sherlock, Molly, John, Anderson and Lestrade ARE in this scene (and where is Mary if it IS a costumed event that John would be attending).  Why would Molly be there?  Ooooooh... the speculation is getting interesting.

 

it will be interesting to see who shows up at setlock tomorrow.

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Well, the show is rooted in its own reality, but true time travel would not be reality at all.

Conan Doyle had stories with ghosts and vampires and demon hounds -- but then there turned out to be a perfectly reasonable, logical explanation of the observed events. This could be similar -- it looks like time travel, but turns out to be something far more mundane.

 

My feeling is that a case occurs at the themed event.

Just curious -- you seem to feel that a themed event is a far more likely explanation than Sherlock's mind palace. Any particular reasons?

 

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Well, the show is rooted in its own reality, but true time travel would not be reality at all.

Conan Doyle had stories with ghosts and vampires and demon hounds -- but then there turned out to be a perfectly reasonable, logical explanation of the observed events. This could be similar -- it looks like time travel, but turns out to be something far more mundane.

 

My feeling is that a case occurs at the themed event.

Just curious -- you seem to feel that a themed event is a far more likely explanation than Sherlock's mind palace. Any particular reasons?

 

 

Just a feeling... The nature of the mind palace is to store useful information that can be sorted and used later.  Remember, he deletes things he considers useless.  That's why I think a mind palace thing in a Victorian setting would not be in his mind palace because it would be useful how?  The man deleted the information on the solar system!!!

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Good point, but then Sherlock's deletion algorithm has never made much sense to me.  Besides, we've already seen him solve a Bow Street Runners case from the early 1800's, though we didn't see inside his head that time.  If he were to tackle a Scotland Yard case from the late 1800's, surely he would envision the Victorian setting as accurately as he knew how -- so maybe that's what we're seeing.

 

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Wow, now that would be interesting... solving a really, really, really COLD  Scotland Yard case... hey, maybe he'll really solve the Jack the Ripper thingie!!!

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In case anyone's still confused, I should clarify to say that I'm not talking about Sherlock's mental encyclopedia as shown in "Hounds," I'm talking about the far more elaborate mind palace shown in Series 3 -- more like what lesser individuals like you and me might call our imagination.  So far in there, we've seen John, Mycroft, five of Sholto's employees, Mary, Molly, Anderson, Moriarty -- am I omitting anyone?

 

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Thanks, guys -- it's getting really crowded in that mind palace!

 

Wow, now that would be interesting... solving a really, really, really COLD  Scotland Yard case... hey, maybe he'll really solve the Jack the Ripper thingie!!!

 

My thoughts exactly!  As I said back a ways, that would fit with the recent statement by Moftiss that the Special would not be based on any specific Conan Doyle story.  Yet Jack the Ripper may be the second most popular plot for Holmes movies, and the actual events occurred shortly after Conan Doyle published A Study in Scarlet.

 

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So what are the chances that we will see Mummy and Daddy Holmes show up in the mind palace at some point?

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All righty then... Amanda will be at set on 1/7 according to her tweet to Loo, and they are very excited to see each other again.

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So what are the chances that we will see Mummy and Daddy Holmes show up in the mind palace at some point?

 

Oh I certainly hope we see them again!  Mrs. Holmes rules the roost, that's for sure, but I think she does in real life too!!!

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Interesting article. Wonder what today holds for the cast (& the hordes of onlookers).

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I'm thinking it will be some kind of dream or daydream from sherlock where he finds himself in the past.

 

 

Ooh ooh...

 

Or maybe there is a case in real life he is trying to solve, but he needs to revisit the past to crack it.

So he retreats into his imagination and pretends he's back in Victorian times to find the answer.

'Imagine how I would solve that back then .. then apply the principle to modern day'

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I keep thinking that the Christmas special will feel rather "Dr Who-like."  You know how those are always within universe, but just a little bit extreme, a little silly, and somehow including a gimmick or a character from the past or something?  Well, the Victorian era thing could be our gimmick.  I don't really expect this special to advance the plot very much.  But I'll take what I can get!

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I keep thinking that the Christmas special will feel rather "Dr Who-like."  You know how those are always within universe, but just a little bit extreme, a little silly, and somehow including a gimmick or a character from the past or something?  Well, the Victorian era thing could be our gimmick.  I don't really expect this special to advance the plot very much.  But I'll take what I can get!

 

Maybe it's a dream?   I just keep thinking if it's mind palace, that's going to be one hell of a crowded mind palace scene.

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I think it's not worth the wild speculation at this point.  Other setlock pics and costumes will give further clues about a party.  

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I don't really expect this special to advance the plot very much.  But I'll take what I can get!

But didn't Moftiss say it would explain the whole Moriarty thing? (Yes, I know, that's the same double-headed monster who told us that "Empty Hearse" would completely explain The Fall.) 

 

Maybe it's a dream?   I just keep thinking if it's mind palace, that's going to be one hell of a crowded mind palace scene.

I hope it's not "just a dream," because that's such a cliche (though Moftiss might be able to make it work -- after all, "the cabbie did it" is an awfully close cousin to "the butler did it").  And we've seen crowds in (apparently) his mind palace before -- e.g., that whole courtroom full of women in "Sign of Three."

 

I think it's not worth the wild speculation at this point.  Other setlock pics and costumes will give further clues about a party.

If it's a party.  ;)  And it certainly could be.

 

Or a play where they're undercover.  Have we seen any regulars except Cumberbatch and Freeman in Victorian garb yet?  If it's just Sherlock and John, undercover would seem plausible -- but if it's also Molly and Mary and Greg and ... then maybe not so much!

 

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I don't really expect this special to advance the plot very much.  But I'll take what I can get!

But didn't Moftiss say it would explain the whole Moriarty thing? (Yes, I know, that's the same double-headed monster who told us that "Empty Hearse" would completely explain The Fall.) 

 

Maybe it's a dream?   I just keep thinking if it's mind palace, that's going to be one hell of a crowded mind palace scene.

I hope it's not "just a dream," because that's such a cliche (though Moftiss might be able to make it work -- after all, "the cabbie did it" is an awfully close cousin to "the butler did it").  And we've seen crowds in (apparently) his mind palace before -- e.g., that whole courtroom full of women in "Sign of Three."

 

I think it's not worth the wild speculation at this point.  Other setlock pics and costumes will give further clues about a party.

If it's a party.  ;)  And it certainly could be.

 

Or a play where they're undercover.  Have we seen any regulars except Cumberbatch and Freeman in Victorian garb yet?  If it's just Sherlock and John, undercover would seem plausible -- but if it's also Molly and Mary and Greg and ... then maybe not so much!

 

 

Well, we know that "this will explain it all" is Moftiss-speak for "it makes perfect sense to us!"

 

I think the picture of Anderson also showed him with those sleeve covers (are they called gaiters?) that were often worn by bar tenders and newspaper printers to keep their cuffs and sleeves up past the elbow clean.

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maybe also worn by butchers or surgeons?  Might need to take a look at that ghastly amputation scene from Gone With The Wind and see what the docs were wearing.

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I guess the pix are too small to really be sure, but I thought Anderson was wearing awfully nice slacks in comparison to the rest of his garb. If true I'm not sure what that tells us though! :smile:

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I thought they were just Victorian style trousers instead of modern or denim.  I guess we'll find out sometime in December-ish.

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Perhaps its a flashback to their ancestors who happened to be doing the same thing as Sherlock and John, they find out about them and then try to solve a famous case of theirs that they failed to solve. There's no chance that's what is actually going on but the idea turned up in my head regardless.

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Perhaps its a flashback to their ancestors who happened to be doing the same thing as Sherlock and John, they find out about them and then try to solve a famous case of theirs that they failed to solve. There's no chance that's what is actually going on but the idea turned up in my head regardless.

 

It's fun to speculate, isn't it?

 

I sort of like the idea that maybe Sherlock is working on a really, REALLY cold Scotland Yard case.  Actually, for him to do that in an episode just as a challenge would be quite interesting.

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I think SH will solve a historic case...in his mind palace...one that links up with Moriarty@TRF.

Remember the hanging dummy that 'didn't commit suicide' ( Henry Fishguard ) , and the bow street runners were totally wrong/idiots.....maybe SH explains how for both.

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