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I thought we could use a place to zero in on possible clues to the future that may or may not have been dropped in TAB. What do some of these scenes mean? Are they clues, red herrings, or mistakes? Or just us fans over-analyzing things?

For instance, right at the beginning, we have "So far on SHERLOCK" and then a rapid sequence of scenes from the previous 3 series. But why did they use those particular scenes? And why are some of them out of sequence?

(Adapted from Ariane DeVere:)

From Series 1:
These sequences seem to be a fairly straightforward reintroduction to the characters ... then suddenly there's the imaginary scene from TEH of Parliament exploding! Is this a hint? Red herring? Mistake?

From series 2:
These sequences are mostly Irene, and the ending of TRF. Okay, that makes sense if you're trying to remind people of the overall plot. But why include this from HOB?

SHERLOCK: But there never was any monster. (The hound howls.)
JOHN: Sherlock?


From Series 3:
These sequences are all over the place at first:

From TEH:
SHERLOCK: Those things will kill you.
LESTRADE: Ooh, you bastard!
...
SHERLOCK: The thrill of the chase, the blood pumping through your veins ...
(Brief flashback to John outside Angelo’s restaurant in “ASIP,” jumping over the bonnet of the car.)
SHERLOCK: ... just the two of us against the rest of the world. (John head-butts him.)

OUT OF SEQUENCE: TRF Sherlock, handcuffed to John, jumps over the fence.
JOHN: Wait! We’re going to need to co-ordinate.

Then a brief shot of Sherlock’s grave.
...
JOHN: I asked you for one more miracle. I asked you to stop being dead.
SHERLOCK: I heard you.

From TSOT:
JOHN: Shut up. You are not a puzzle solver; you never have been. You’re a drama queen. Now there is a man in there about to die. The game is on. Solve it!

The it settles down and they close with the most significant scenes from HLV (but NOT Mary's reveal!)


Why is "we're going to need to coordinate" in that spot; to call extra attention to it? If so, what is significant about that scene in the overall scheme of things, anyway? Maybe just to point out that Sherlock always goes his own way?


On reading this list none of these seem particularly important, but they jumped out at me like wolf spiders the first time I saw them, so I'm wondering. Anyone else?

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Another one:

When we first see Victorian Mary, she appears to be in mourning. Significance? Sherlock refers to her "impish sense of humor", which I assume means she was representing herself as a widow in order to point out that she never sees her husband any more. But were we meant to infer more than that?

Also, here we see John and Mary arguing, and here and later it's implied they're not very close. Foreshadowing? Or is that just Sherlock's perception of marriage, all bickering and little companionship? (There ARE marriages like that, alas ... ) But there's an implication Mary resents being left out of the "boy's" activities ... is that a reflection of what is/will be happening in real life?

Speaking of Mary, we are then shown that she's working for Mycroft. Is that a hint that she was, or is, working for him in the present? Or just a way of showing how Sherlock thinks of her? I rather hope the latter, I'm not keen on the idea of Secret Agent Mary ... too over the top, imo. I'd rather she remain a life-saving nurse, for one thing, and Mycroft intrudes in Sherlock's life too much already. (Although ... maybe if he had Mary, he'd be less quick to involve Sherlock in cases?)

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Great idea for a thread! :smile: Let me add the stewardess - it's rather likely that her similarity to a certain adventuress stems from Sherlock's drug-addled state, I think, but does it mean anything for the future? Like you noted, there was quite a bit of Irene in the beginning montage.

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I thought we could use a place to zero in on possible clues to the future that may or may not have been dropped in TAB. What do some of these scenes mean? Are they clues, red herrings, or mistakes? Or just us fans over-analyzing things?

Sometimes I think we do, but that's the risk of waiting too long. However, I believe those things you mentioned are intentional.

 

 

 

From Series 1:

These sequences seem to be a fairly straightforward reintroduction to the characters ... then suddenly there's the imaginary scene from TEH of Parliament exploding! Is this a hint? Red herring? Mistake?

 

The scene after that is about Sherlock saying he is not a hero.

It's not a mistake. He is. If that Parliament exploded then and there, imagine how many casualities it took. More than that, imagine the impact. Chaos, war, mayhem, power vacuum, power grabbing, secret agenda, conspiracy theory. He is a hero.

I believe that's why that scene is inserted there.

Even when he shot Magnussen, heroism is not always clear cut and shinny.

 

 

 

SHERLOCK: But there never was any monster. (The hound howls.)

JOHN: Sherlock?

To draw a line of similarity.

He was so afraid in HoB and thought he was losing his mind.

It doesn't make sense. But it happens; stories, evidence, witness even himself.

It comes down to Moriarty appears to be alive even though Sherlock saw he blew his brain out. It's impossible, like the Hound. What how where when why?

 

 

 

Why is "we're going to need to coordinate" in that spot; to call extra attention to it? If so, what is significant about that scene in the overall scheme of things, anyway? Maybe just to point out that Sherlock always goes his own way?

 

Yes.

And maybe to point out that to beat Moriarty/idea of Moriarty he can't count on himself or even Mycroft. They are brilliant, but John has something that they don't, which is valuable enough to give him precious insight, something like... being human?

He needs to work with John.

 

Hope they make sense, at least those are what I thought when I first saw it, don't have better one for now.

 

P.S.. there are missing texts, about what you write regarding drama queen?

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From Series 1:

These sequences seem to be a fairly straightforward reintroduction to the characters ... then suddenly there's the imaginary scene from TEH of Parliament exploding! Is this a hint? Red herring? Mistake?

 

From series 2:

These sequences are mostly Irene, and the ending of TRF. Okay, that makes sense if you're trying to remind people of the overall plot. But why include this from HOB?

 

SHERLOCK: But there never was any monster. (The hound howls.)

JOHN: Sherlock?

OUT OF SEQUENCE: TRF Sherlock, handcuffed to John, jumps over the fence.

JOHN: Wait! We’re going to need to co-ordinate.

 

Why is "we're going to need to coordinate" in that spot; to call extra attention to it? If so, what is significant about that scene in the overall scheme of things, anyway? Maybe just to point out that Sherlock always goes his own way?

 

On reading this list none of these seem particularly important, but they jumped out at me like wolf spiders the first time I saw them, so I'm wondering. Anyone else?

 

Please forgive my sloppy job of excerpting -- I'm too lazy sleepy to tidy up.

 

Parliament blowing up -- you ask "hint? red herring? mistake?"  Probably none of the above.  More like a punctuation mark, specifically an exclamation mark.  (But don't ask me why.)

 

"There never was a monster" -- perhaps an analogy to "there never was a ghost"?

 

"We're going to need to coordinate" -- Victorian Holmes does seem to have a greater appreciation for his Watson than we've seen in the modern series.  Maybe Sherlock is just now realizing and/or reminding himself that given half a chance, John can be very helpful to him.

 

Love your expression "jumped out like wolf spiders"!  They certainly do, don't they (the wolf spiders, I mean)?

 

When we first see Victorian Mary, she appears to be in mourning. Significance? Sherlock refers to her "impish sense of humor", which I assume means she was representing herself as a widow in order to point out that she never sees her husband any more. But were we meant to infer more than that?

 

 

Speaking of Mary, we are then shown that she's working for Mycroft. Is that a hint that she was, or is, working for him in the present? Or just a way of showing how Sherlock thinks of her? I rather hope the latter, I'm not keen on the idea of Secret Agent Mary ... too over the top, imo. I'd rather she remain a life-saving nurse, for one thing, and Mycroft intrudes in Sherlock's life too much already. (Although ... maybe if he had Mary, he'd be less quick to involve Sherlock in cases?)

 

I think Mary in black is just what she purports to be -- a very pointed comment on her husband's frequent absences.  I also have a niggling feeling that it's a representation of a scene from Conan Doyle, but I have no idea which story.

 

I kinda hope she's been working for Mycroft all along.  Which doesn't mean that she'd have to keep doing so.  Which is why they need to make more episodes!

 

Great idea for a thread! :smile: Let me add the stewardess - it's rather likely that her similarity to a certain adventuress stems from Sherlock's drug-addled state, I think, but does it mean anything for the future? Like you noted, there was quite a bit of Irene in the beginning montage.

 

Do you mean the Lady Carmichael look-alike?  Some people are referring to her as the pilot.  Did we see anything of her (or any other crew members) at the end of HLV?

 

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I am a wee little concerned with all of Mycroft's "I was there for you before. I'll be there for you again. I'll always be there for you" and him asking John to look after Sherlock... will he not always be there?  Is this foreshadowing?   I don't think it necessarily means something, but it sent up a bit of a red flag for me.  I hope I'm worrying over nothing.

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I'd be down with finding out Mary's been working for Mycroft.

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SHERLOCK: But there never was any monster. (The hound howls.)

JOHN: Sherlock?

To draw a line of similarity.

He was so afraid in HoB and thought he was losing his mind.

It doesn't make sense. But it happens; stories, evidence, witness even himself.

It comes down to Moriarty appears to be alive even though Sherlock saw he blew his brain out. It's impossible, like the Hound. What how where when why?

 

So, just to evoke the idea of monsters before showing a story about another kind of monster, perhaps?

 

 

Why is "we're going to need to coordinate" in that spot; to call extra attention to it? If so, what is significant about that scene in the overall scheme of things, anyway? Maybe just to point out that Sherlock always goes his own way?

Yes.

And maybe to point out that to beat Moriarty/idea of Moriarty he can't count on himself or even Mycroft. They are brilliant, but John has something that they don't, which is valuable enough to give him precious insight, something like... being human?

He needs to work with John.

 

I like that. Maybe Sherlock will be less likely to try to face down the baddies alone in the future?

 

By the way, I loved the conclusion of the fight at the falls ... all that sturm and drang, and then this slapstick resolution with John booting Moriarty over the edge, and Jim's cliched scream on the way down. Brilliant, I almost choked because I laughed so hard. :D

 

P.S.. there are missing texts, about what you write regarding drama queen?

 

Ooops, I had a thought then changed my mind, and forgot to delete the beginning of the sentence. Ignore, plz! :) (I've deleted it.)

 

I think Mary in black is just what she purports to be -- a very pointed comment on her husband's frequent absences.  I also have a niggling feeling that it's a representation of a scene from Conan Doyle, but I have no idea which story.

 

I kinda hope she's been working for Mycroft all along.  Which doesn't mean that she'd have to keep doing so.  Which is why they need to make more episodes!

So maybe she shot Sherlock on Mycroft's orders? :P If she was working for him, that must have been a tough one to explain!

 

 

Great idea for a thread! :smile: Let me add the stewardess - it's rather likely that her similarity to a certain adventuress stems from Sherlock's drug-addled state, I think, but does it mean anything for the future? Like you noted, there was quite a bit of Irene in the beginning montage.

 

Do you mean the Lady Carmichael look-alike?  Some people are referring to her as the pilot.  Did we see anything of her (or any other crew members) at the end of HLV?

 

Yes, she was the pilot. I can't imagine what that means except maybe Sherlock was latching onto random faces to populate his mind palace.

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Yeah, silly me had overlooked the stripes on her shoulders and thus pegged her a stewardess. :blush: Also, I thought at first that this was Lara Pulver but I have to admit that the similarity was in my head apparently.

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"There never was a monster" -- perhaps an analogy to "there never was a ghost"?

Yeah, that's good, perhaps that's it.

 

"We're going to need to coordinate" -- Victorian Holmes does seem to have a greater appreciation for his Watson than we've seen in the modern series.  Maybe Sherlock is just now realizing and/or reminding himself that given half a chance, John can be very helpful to him.

Although I thought some of the put downs he lobbed in Watson's direction were rather harsher than we've been seeing. And modern Sherlock did say John had saved his life in so many ways, so I think he's actually pretty appreciative of John's friendship.  But he needs to treat his friends better, maybe this will be the start of that?

 

Love your expression "jumped out like wolf spiders"!  They certainly do, don't they (the wolf spiders, I mean)?

Lord, yes. The first year I lived in Virginia, they ruled the back yard ... I'd never seen them before, and they were terrifying. You couldn't go anywhere without being pounced on! Now for some reason we don't have so many ... thank goodness.

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(My code trick doesn't look convincing in quote inside quote :P)

Carol and Arcadia's:

Regarding Hound; monster and ghost, yes, something he couldn't explain and terrify him. Not because he is scared of them, because he couldn't make any sense of them, it's against his whole beliefs, like Moriarty's return.

 

Yes, she was the pilot. I can't imagine what that means except maybe Sherlock was latching onto random faces to populate his mind palace.

That, and two more things come to mind.

1. Sherlock already met her when he boarded the plane. He already has impression that she is smart. Female pilot, how many times has anyone seen them? Perhaps there are only five, or less than ten percent in the field. Eventhough her landing sucks :P, maybe that is the reason Sherlock associate her with a smart character in his mind.

2. Woman now and a century ago. From tormented wife with limited rights to a pilot.

 

Lord, yes. The first year I lived in Virginia, they ruled the back yard ... I'd never seen them before, and they were terrifying. You couldn't go anywhere without being pounced on! Now for some reason we don't have so many ... thank goodness.

Not sure if it's jumping spider, but it's big and jumpy. Had to kill one few days ago, felt a little bad and trying to reason with it,"I killed you because I am too coward to live with you."

I think it understands.

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Yeah, silly me had overlooked the stripes on her shoulders and thus pegged her a stewardess. :blush: Also, I thought at first that this was Lara Pulver but I have to admit that the similarity was in my head apparently.

 

Not just in yours... She reminded me of Irene as well. And maybe Sherlock makes three - after all, he did "notice" her (and her arches).

 

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Although I thought some of the put downs he lobbed in Watson's direction were rather harsher than we've been seeing. And modern Sherlock did say John had saved his life in so many ways, so I think he's actually pretty appreciative of John's friendship.  But he needs to treat his friends better, maybe this will be the start of that?

I disagree! XD

That is friendship for Sherlock. Come on, he doesn't mean to be rude. :)

I think I would rather have someone who is willing to go so far to protect me but brutally honest then someone who says nice things but rehearsed because he has to.

 

By the way, I loved the conclusion of the fight at the falls ... all that sturm and drang, and then this slapstick resolution with John booting Moriarty over the edge, and Jim's cliched scream on the way down. Brilliant, I almost choked because I laughed so hard. :D

Me too, but I think Sherlock is daydreaming too deep.  :D 

Moriarty would never kneel down and let himself being pushed. He got his hand on Sherlock, a pointed gun wouldn't scare him. Hell, he shot himself to win! Anybody in imminent death would also try to fight I guess. But it's meant to be funny, it's meant to be like that.

You know, I like the Special a lot. We get into Sherlock mind, it's generous and open up a lot of potentials.

However, the itch is, I feel like I can't really criticize or nitpick what is in his mind or in his dream. :)

 

In relation, curiously, how do you guys dream?

 

For me, I dream all the time, even if I fall asleep for five second, I dream. And I remember them well in detail, especially if I purposely replay it when I wake up. More or less, I can manipulate it too, for example, if I wake up in the middle of the dream, I can stop it if it's undesirable dream, but I can also continue it, and control the direction to the way I want to, add more desirable factors to it, even when the ending is unknown.

Beside strangers, I also dream about everyone that I know, it could also be new people I meet or someone long from the past. Sometimes I absent-mindedly tell a colleague/friend,"I dreamt about you last night", then out of nowhere they start to blush or react weirdly, I have to furiously explain that it doesn't mean they are special at all because it happens a lot. (Now that I write this down, I understand why they always frown after hearing that XD).  

However, of all above, I don't think I have premonition dream, and I strongly don't wish to.

 

At first I thought it's common and everyone does all mentioned above, but apparently from most people I had asked, not so. Some even hardly have dreams in their sleep.

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Not just in yours... She reminded me of Irene as well. And maybe Sherlock makes three - after all, he did "notice" her (and her arches).

 

What I love about this bit, is that it's the closest the boys have come to 'guy talk' and when Sherlock possibly gives himself away with what he notices about a woman physically, it's her high arches. What a great touch. And hopefully a boost for sellers of arch supportive shoes the world over.

 

 

By the way, I loved the conclusion of the fight at the falls ... all that sturm and drang, and then this slapstick resolution with John booting Moriarty over the edge, and Jim's cliched scream on the way down. Brilliant, I almost choked because I laughed so hard. :D

Me too, but I think Sherlock is daydreaming too deep.  :D 

Moriarty would never kneel down and let himself being pushed. He got his hand on Sherlock, a pointed gun wouldn't scare him. Hell, he shot himself to win! Anybody in imminent death would also try to fight I guess. But it's meant to be funny

 

I enjoyed how they played out that scene and found it funny, but I do think there is something in it that could be a clue as well. There has always been something a little incongruous about how Moriarty so quickly opted for suicide- and I thought his line of how 'it's never the fall, its the landing' (that kills you) was significant.

 

I'm also intrigued at the people who brought up the Pulver/ pilot similarity, because I definitely saw that too. I think it's interesting that these are two women that you don't actively notice are in controlling positions. Are they hinting that Irene will be back in come capacity, or had more to do with Moriarty than was shown? 

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Regarding Hound; monster and ghost, yes, something he couldn't explain and terrify him. Not because he is scared of them, because he couldn't make any sense of them, it's against his whole beliefs, like Moriarty's return.

 

Yes, she was the pilot. I can't imagine what that means except maybe Sherlock was latching onto random faces to populate his mind palace.

That, and two more things come to mind.

1. Sherlock already met her when he boarded the plane. He already has impression that she is smart. Female pilot, how many times has anyone seen them? Perhaps there are only five, or less than ten percent in the field. Eventhough her landing sucks :P, maybe that is the reason Sherlock associate her with a smart character in his mind.

2. Woman now and a century ago. From tormented wife with limited rights to a pilot.

 

Excellent points! I will adopt those into my head canon! :smile:

 

 

Not sure if it's jumping spider, but it's big and jumpy. Had to kill one few days ago, felt a little bad and trying to reason with it,"I killed you because I am too coward to live with you."

I think it understands.

 

 

My spiders and I have a pact (whether they know it or not :P ) ... if I meet one of them outside, I will go my own way without disturbing them. If I meet one of them in MY house, they are dead meat.

 

 

Yeah, silly me had overlooked the stripes on her shoulders and thus pegged her a stewardess. Also, I thought at first that this was Lara Pulver but I have to admit that the similarity was in my head apparently.

 

Not just in yours... She reminded me of Irene as well. And maybe Sherlock makes three - after all, he did "notice" her (and her arches).

 

Wow, I didn't get that at all! But as I've mentioned before, I can barely recognize my own mother.

 

 

Although I thought some of the put downs he lobbed in Watson's direction were rather harsher than we've been seeing. And modern Sherlock did say John had saved his life in so many ways, so I think he's actually pretty appreciative of John's friendship.  But he needs to treat his friends better, maybe this will be the start of that?

I disagree! XD

That is friendship for Sherlock. Come on, he doesn't mean to be rude. :)

 

Ah, I didn't explain what I meant very well. I've been so busy lately, I'm practically writing in shorthand. :(

 

What I meant was ... he needs to treat his friends better by not lying to them, not running off without them, by letting them help him when he needs help. So I'm hoping the end of TAB, where he smiles and calls Watson "John", is an indication that he's learned that lesson. Or learning ... I don't expect him to change overnight.

 

My best friend and I swap insults all the time, we get a kick out of it. People who don't know us are horrified until they learn that's just how we show our affection for each other. Although  neither of us is anywhere near as insulting as Sherlock!

 

I think I would rather have someone who is willing to go so far to protect me but brutally honest then someone who says nice things but rehearsed because he has to.

 

By the way, I loved the conclusion of the fight at the falls ... all that sturm and drang, and then this slapstick resolution with John booting Moriarty over the edge, and Jim's cliched scream on the way down. Brilliant, I almost choked because I laughed so hard.

Me too, but I think Sherlock is daydreaming too deep.  :D 

Moriarty would never kneel down and let himself being pushed. He got his hand on Sherlock, a pointed gun wouldn't scare him. Hell, he shot himself to win! Anybody in imminent death would also try to fight I guess.

 

 

I thought the same thing, until the moment John pushes him over the edge. Then I realized, the moment John arrives, Sherlock recognizes that Moriarty (or whatever he represents) isn't something he needs to fear, because he has backup ... it's him AND John, he doesn't have to be alone with his demon. At that point Moriarty becomes laughable, a joke, ("it's not fair, there's two of you!") and John gives him the send off he deserves. Love it, love it, love it.

 

In fact, I could have SWORN that I heard Sherlock say something like ... he knew Moriarty couldn't be alive, because Moriarty was alone. Sherlock IS alive because he's not alone. But on rewatching, it's clear he never said any such thing, so I guess my little brain made that up all on its own. But it fits.

 

But it's meant to be funny, it's meant to be like that.

You know, I like the Special a lot. We get into Sherlock mind, it's generous and open up a lot of potentials.

However, the itch is, I feel like I can't really criticize or nitpick what is in his mind or in his dream. :)

 

In relation, curiously, how do you guys dream?

 

For me, I dream all the time, even if I fall asleep for five second, I dream. And I remember them well in detail, especially if I purposely replay it when I wake up. More or less, I can manipulate it too, for example, if I wake up in the middle of the dream, I can stop it if it's undesirable dream, but I can also continue it, and control the direction to the way I want to, add more desirable factors to it, even when the ending is unknown.

Beside strangers, I also dream about everyone that I know, it could also be new people I meet or someone long from the past. Sometimes I absent-mindedly tell a colleague/friend,"I dreamt about you last night", then out of nowhere they start to blush or react weirdly, I have to furiously explain that it doesn't mean they are special at all because it happens a lot. (Now that I write this down, I understand why they always frown after hearing that XD).  

However, of all above, I don't think I have premonition dream, and I strongly don't wish to.

 

At first I thought it's common and everyone does all mentioned above, but apparently from most people I had asked, not so. Some even hardly have dreams in their sleep.

When I was in my twenties I had dreams like that all the time, very vivid, I even turned a few of them into paintings or stories. But over time they went away, and I don't really mind ... some of them were sort of disturbing to me. I don't know if they stopped because I wanted them too, or because I'm so actively engaged in creating things when I'm awake, or because I don't sleep as well as I used to, or what. They were intriguing at the time, but I don't miss them.

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Thanks for the link over Arcadia . TAB threads are impossible to find , needs its own section on the main forum.

 

I agree the Mary in black is a sign she is unhappy John is off spending time and adventuring with Sherlock , she is mourning Johns absence. Possibly this is a reflection of how Sherlock feels about John spending time with Mary?

 

The high arches comment is funny and again taken directly from Wilders film tplosh. Lots of references to that in TAB.

 

I love that John kicks Moriarty of TRF , but it is a big divergence from canon. I do think it represents Sherlock finally understanding sentiment and love are not always a fatal mistake but can in fact be a reason for living and the thing that keeps you alive . Maybe a hint John and his other friends are behind the miss me message .

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For a very specific reason, which can be found in the TAB blue-Ray Steelbox, including S3 and the Special together with Mr Gatiss' working diary as an extra feature, THIS Sherlock has become a giant spoof, and therefore, good fun to watch, enjoy and relax with it, rather than overanalyse and obsess about it. If the creators don't take it seriously, why should we?

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What specific thing inge ? - confused @ the comment.

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Dear BlackButterfly, you will find my explanation in the Benedict Cumberbatch News thread, please accept my apologies if I confused you, it wasn't intentional!

@Carol, Waterfowl Princess extraordinary: two veiled ladies in ACD: The Veiled Lodger, also dressed in black, and in The Red Circle, the most conspicuous!

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...There has always been something a little incongruous about how Moriarty so quickly opted for suicide-...

I always thought he did that because that was the time frame he got. If he hesitated just two seconds longer, Sherlock would detect it and stopped him, and he would lose.

I don't think those geniuses have a lot of regard with life, even their own. Winning, playing, finding answers, distraction, test themselves to the limit or over, is acceptable, compared to dull and non-stimulating life.

Now that I think of that, I could imagine how 'happy' Sherlock was to meet Moriarty. Curtain raises, let the show begin. His brother aside, all his life he had never find someone compatible, then Moriarty showed up. Vice versa.

 

 

My spiders and I have a pact (whether they know it or not :P ) ... if I meet one of them outside, I will go my own way without disturbing them. If I meet one of them in MY house, they are dead meat.

Same here. For insects. No mercy.

For others, couldn't really yet. Not that I want to. Spent a long time catching a snake (didn't know how it got in) and nursing an almost dead bird (how did it get in?!?)

 

Ah, I didn't explain what I meant very well. I've been so busy lately, I'm practically writing in shorthand. :(

 

What I meant was ... he needs to treat his friends better by not lying to them, not running off without them, by letting them help him when he needs help. So I'm hoping the end of TAB, where he smiles and calls Watson "John", is an indication that he's learned that lesson. Or learning ... I don't expect him to change overnight.

 

My best friend and I swap insults all the time, we get a kick out of it. People who don't know us are horrified until they learn that's just how we show our affection for each other. Although  neither of us is anywhere near as insulting as Sherlock!

My bad. It should be obvious. :P

Yes he should treat John better in that way, but keep going with the insults please.

It's entertaining to watch as subtitute that we can't really do it in real life without consequences.

 

Oh yes, most of the people who close to me and meet often do that, it's fun.

 

When I was in my twenties I had dreams like that all the time, very vivid, I even turned a few of them into paintings or stories. But over time they went away, and I don't really mind ... some of them were sort of disturbing to me. I don't know if they stopped because I wanted them too, or because I'm so actively engaged in creating things when I'm awake, or because I don't sleep as well as I used to, or what. They were intriguing at the time, but I don't miss them.

I'm nowhere near twenties but the dreams remain. However, they are not disturbing or weird, just some kind of fantasy but realistic world. Yes, there are annoying dreams about work or people doing things out of character and piss me off in the dream, but it's not seldom that I have good dreams that in a weird way, it makes me happy for the whole day.

I don't think I ever find solution to real life problems from my dreams.

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I think Mary in black is just what she purports to be -- a very pointed comment on her husband's frequent absences.  I also have a niggling feeling that it's a representation of a scene from Conan Doyle, but I have no idea which story.

 

I kinda hope she's been working for Mycroft all along.  Which doesn't mean that she'd have to keep doing so.  Which is why they need to make more episodes!

So maybe she shot Sherlock on Mycroft's orders? :P If she was working for him, that must have been a tough one to explain!

 

Seems to me that working for Mycroft doesn't necessarily mean letting him know about everything you do.  And surely Mycroft is aware that any good agent is likely to be somewhat independent.  But even if he did (somehow) find out who shot Sherlock, surely he would have asked him to explain what the *&%#@ happened, at which point Sherlock would have explained that he misjudged Mary, and Mycroft would have said simply, "Oh, of course."

 

... how do you guys dream?

 

For me, I dream all the time, even if I fall asleep for five second, I dream. And I remember them well in detail, especially if I purposely replay it when I wake up. More or less, I can manipulate it too [....]

 

At first I thought it's common and everyone does all mentioned above, but apparently from most people I had asked, not so. Some even hardly have dreams in their sleep.

 

I think you were probably right in the first place -- as long as they sleep soundly, most people do dream.  But many people don't remember it.

 

I've often had dreams when I just nodded off for a moment, even sitting up.  And I can control my dreams to some extent, though that often results in a sleep-dream turning into a daydream.  But once I wake up, I don't usually remember my sleep-dreams.

 

My spiders and I have a pact (whether they know it or not :P ) ... if I meet one of them outside, I will go my own way without disturbing them. If I meet one of them in MY house, they are dead meat.

Same here. For insects. No mercy.

Spiders are not insects.  :P   They're arachnids (for one thing, they have eight legs, rather than six like an insect).

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But even if he did (somehow) find out who shot Sherlock, surely he would have asked him to explain what the *&%#@ happened, at which point Sherlock would have explained that he misjudged Mary, and Mycroft would have said simply, "Oh, of course."

:rofl: :lol:

I can imagine Mycroft does that but in my mind, he wouldn't take someone who almost killed his brother lightly and just brushed it off. But then, why he is okay about Mary? Maybe because Sherlock explains it to him, surgery and all (that I never buy), and Mycroft decides to sit back first and just observes further.

I also don't think Mary works for Mycroft. In fact, it's the other way around, although I don't want it to become cliche that she would be a villain. Maybe she did that in the past and stopped after knowing John.

I don't have evidence, except the scale is tipped way too heavy on protagonist's side, so it doesn't make sense in story POV.

 

 

I've often had dreams when I just nodded off for a moment, even sitting up. And I can control my dreams to some extent, though that often results in a sleep-dream turning into a daydream..

Is that mean you wake up but continue to think about what you had dreamt?

 

More about dream, wake up because you are falling in the dream is real, and I heard it's common too .

I also have recurring same type of dream that happens so often that I recognise it inside my dream, here I am again.

 

Spiders are not insects. :P They're arachnids (for one thing, they have eight legs, rather than six like an insect).

Of course. :P It's very easy to forget they are octopod. Anytime I see something in big number I can't help to think about insects.

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Same here. For insects. No mercy.

For others, couldn't really yet. Not that I want to. Spent a long time catching a snake (didn't know how it got in) and nursing an almost dead bird (how did it get in?!?

Yes, I also rescue snakes and birds ... but alas, I do kill mice. I hate it!!!!! :cry: I used to catch them and put them out, but there's too many of them now, and I can't catch all of them ... so I have to put out the traps. :cry: :cry: I especially hate when it turns out to be one of the little deer mice, they're sooooo cute........

 

Spiders are not insects. :P They're arachnids (for one thing, they have eight legs, rather than six like an insect).

Hey, they're all bugs to me.

 

Meanwhile, back on topic: :P

 

Hooper is portrayed as being very antagonistic towards Holmes. Several people have already theorized that it's because the last time Sherlock saw Molly, she was angry with him, so that's how he thinks of her ... but to me, Hooper wasn't angry, s/he was actively hostile, which is different.

 

Does it mean anything? :smile: A foreshadowing of their future relationship, perhaps? Molly turns against Sherlock in some way?

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Molly doesn't actually feel that way .Sherlock thinks she does, probably yes because she slapped him over drugs , and in the mp he is on drugs, so it makes sense Molly is angry again.

If he took any real drugs , and Molly was on the tarmac , she would probably slap him again too.

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I'm just wondering if it's signaling a downward turn in their relationship. Er, lack of relationship. It seems to me they need to go somewhere new with Molly anyway; for her to just keep pining silently for Sherlock does the character a disservice, imo. So I wondered if maybe they're signaling where they might be going with her. But then again ... red herring?

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