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On 4/6/2019 at 2:37 PM, Arcadia said:

I think time will tell whether he's an anomaly or not. If, for example, he is elected for a second term, I think his type of bombastic crudity will become all too normal. If it hasn't already. It was already lurking in the wings, he's just made it more visible.

Brrr. A second term. I just creeped myself out.  :blink: 

It seems all too probable from over here, unfortunately. 

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It seems impossible from where I sit. But then, so did his election the first time. :blink: 

I wouldn't rule the Dems out just yet, though. They are right now where the Republicans were two years ago, and look what happened. 

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I wouldn't rule them out either -- but they'd need to run someone with a broad base of appeal.

I didn't think Trump would win last time either.  But it's awfully hard to unseat an incumbent president.  I didn't see how Bill Clinton could win a second term, considering the scandals -- but he did.

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Maybe scandals are the key? :P

Actually, I expected Trump to win, even though I hoped he wouldn't. I think Dems need a really charismatic candidate. Actually watching Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez my spontaneous reaction was that she has the personality for it, but it's just my very uninformed opinion.

What really baffles me though, is that since 2016 both Dollar and British Pound exchange rates to Euro hardly changed. I expected them to dive, but no - Dollar is 1,12 Eur today, which is a bit better than the 1.17 from last week, and Pound oscillates between 0,86 and 0,88.

Not even cheap international online shopping as a consolation for me :(

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24 minutes ago, J.P. said:

... watching Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez my spontaneous reaction was that she has the personality for it....

She does seem to have charisma, true.  But I suspect she'll have a hard time wooing the moderates and independents, due to identifying herself as a socialist and also due to some aspects of her Green New Deal proposal.

What really baffles me though, is that since 2016 both Dollar and British Pound exchange rates to Euro hardly changed. I expected them to dive, but no - Dollar is 1,12 Eur today, which is a bit better than the 1.17 from last week, and Pound oscillates between 0,86 and 0,88.

A national economy is sort of an eco-system, and as such it has its own momentum.  It may have temporary ups and downs in response to election results, but thank goodness that's not really what drives it.

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20 hours ago, Carol the Dabbler said:

I didn't think Trump would win last time either.  But it's awfully hard to unseat an incumbent president.  I didn't see how Bill Clinton could win a second term, considering the scandals -- but he did.

"It's the economy, stupid." That's how he did it, imo. And the person running against him wasn't very, er, exciting. And good old Perot may have thrown a wrench into the works.

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Perot was mainly a factor the first time Clinton was elected, in '92.  The Democrats and Republicans didn't even let him in the debates the second time.  (The League of Women Voters, who had been sponsoring the debates, had withdrawn in '88 because the two major parties insisted on making their own rules -- and they've continued to do so ever since, which is presumably why the debates have turned into a circus.)

I agree that Dole was kind of a makeshift candidate.  But was that cause or effect?  I suspect the Republicans were pretty sure the charismatic Clinton would win anyhow, and didn't want to "waste" a strong candidate.

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Didn't stop people from voting for him, though. I suppose some would argue he mostly took votes that would otherwise have gone to the GOP. I'm not convinced it worked that way, but who knows.

I agree, the "debates" have turned into a pointless circus. The "town hall" formats are a little better, but the questions are so  carefully screened, and so few, that they're hardly worth the effort.

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I only knew one person who told me she favored Perot -- but then she found out more about his platform!  I think he attracted a lot of people with his "change" mantra (as did Obama, I suppose).  After all, who wouldn't like to see some things change?  It's just that his idea of *which* things didn't agree with my friend's list.

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I remember there was a lot that seemed appealing about him, but I also remember, once I looked closer, that he came across as a bit of a nut. In what way, I can no longer recall. Would probably seem entirely sane by today's standards. :smile: 

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The only specific thing I recall was his intention to put a barbed-wire fence along the entire Mexican border (which, as you say, no longer has the same shock value).  He was, I think, billing himself as the hard-headed business executive who could straighten out the country's mess, which sounded fine -- but (for reasons I've mostly forgotten) I decided that the "H" in "H. Ross Perot" probably stands for "Hitler."

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Actually I can see the possibility of him being elected again. Sorry if I'm wrong but it seems that whatever ridiculous thing he does, there are always supporters.

And I'm very very sure, there are people who whisper sweet nothings to his ears, people with agenda, people who thrive on chaos or those profitting from whatever mess he creates. It seems like it's very easy to nudge him into doing something stupid by blasting his ego, feeding him false information and fanning his delusion of grandeur. 

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Dear God, no! ANYTHING but that, a second term is going to ruin what's left my sanity! I'm not going to be to handle another 4 years of his incoherent rambling! Did you know that recently he claimed that the noise of a windmill causes cancer? The Dutch had a field day with it.

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15 minutes ago, Fantasy Lover said:

Dear God, no! ANYTHING but that, a second term is going to ruin what's left my sanity! I'm not going to be to handle another 4 years of his incoherent rambling!

So ignore him.

6 hours ago, Van Buren Supernova said:

Actually I can see the possibility of him being elected again. Sorry if I'm wrong but it seems that whatever ridiculous thing he does, there are always supporters.

And I'm very very sure, there are people who whisper sweet nothings to his ears, people with agenda, people who thrive on chaos or those profitting from whatever mess he creates. It seems like it's very easy to nudge him into doing something stupid by blasting his ego, feeding him false information and fanning his delusion of grandeur. 

He has a weird sort of charisma, so of course he has a fan club, same as any celebrity.  That goes back to well before he was a political candidate, certainly back to when he was a TV star.  I couldn't stand him then either.

As far as I can tell (though I don't waste much of my time trying to understand him), most of his staff are telling him *not* to do certain things, and heaven knows how bizarre his behavior would be without their advice.  But yeah, I can see that he might be easily influenced by lobbyists and other unofficial "advisors" who appeal to his vanity.

The country does seem to be managing pretty well despite him, though.

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11 hours ago, Carol the Dabbler said:

So ignore him.

Isn't it difficult to ignore your own president though?

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2 hours ago, T.o.b.y said:

Isn't it difficult to ignore your own president though?

It sure is. He does, after all, represent us to the rest of the world. I cringe in embarrassment every time he opens his mouth. Or tweets. Or makes faces. Or communicates in any way.

I have no idea what to expect in the next election. Those of us who loathe him, loathe him just as much as the "other side" loathed Hillary Clinton in the last election. You'd think that would count for something, but I just don't know. I think a lot has to do with who the Democrats nominate (and none of their candidates are setting my world on fire at the moment). If they just put their own version of Trump out there, people like me won't even bother to vote.

 

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I seriously do my best to ignore him.  But that's easier for me than for most people, I suppose, because it's been decades since I watched the news with any regularity (I stopped because about 99% of it seems to be depressing stuff that I can't do anything about anyhow).  And I don't do Twitter either.  Anything that I actually need to know, I seem to find out about soon enough, one way or another.

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How do you know? :P

Apparently a lot of people have complained about "all the news is negative" , because now the big thing in TV news is to end each broadcast with a "feel good" story. A little boy helps raise money for charity, that kind of thing. I hate those segments, they're not NEWS! Let's dispense with the fluff and spend more time on the real stories, dang it! Argh! And that's why I increasingly don't watch much TV news ... the advertising departments are now in charge of the news departments, it seems. Even PBS is doing it (although at least they do it in depth... :smile: )

Thank goodness I live in an area that still has a major newspaper. But they're really struggling to keep enough staff to cover the stories properly. It's a scary time.

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As you say, the news is generally no longer worth watching.  I figure my time is better spent doing things that are meaningful to me.

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What happened to Brexit?  Is it dead?

Haven't heard the word for ages now. Is no news good news?

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Speaking of British politicians, let's try if I can get twitter to embed again here:

Well that was underwhelming. :lol: Pic:

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Your Twitter embed looks fine on my computer.

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Same here.

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I know someone (Can't remember who, too lazy to dig in the thread) posted a video that had May Photoshopped in a monthy phyton clip, then I found this picture which is far more funnier and appropriate considering the results of the election yesterday. 265e9e8b9f1c4afff5f1924a061d049d.jpg

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