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Well, I was wondering about the silence recently, until I was told the British parliament was on vacation.
Titanic is about to hit the iceberg, but the captain takes a nap first. And ask for more time after he wakes up. ūüėē

I think I will express the feeling of many people here that we are really beeped off by this situation.

I often think that even a no-deal would be better, as it would finally create some tangible state/situation to start from. Now the UK is like Schrödinger's cat. A big and annoying version of it. I'm sure for the UK citizens it must be much worse. To sit in a black box for three years not knowing if you are dead or alive.

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Just about sums it up.

Personally I would prefer to remian in the EU...

But I see little chance of it.

My son lives and works in Italy(married to an Italian national and father to an Italian child)and is concerned.

His citizenship won't be through for nearly a year.

He takes a group of school kids to Austria in April.

He's worried that either the Austrians won't let him in or the Italians won't let him back in!

So he's applied for the Italian version of a Green card.

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5 minutes ago, besleybean said:

My son lives and works in Italy(married to an Italian national and father to an Italian child)

How's that going, Bev (other than the citizenship issues)?  I remember how sad you were when they moved away.

11 minutes ago, J.P. said:

... even a no-deal would be better, as it would finÔĽŅally create some tangible state/situation to start from. Now the UK is like Schr√∂dinger's cat.

Good analogy.  I suspect most British people, no matter what outcome they favor, would be relieved by any sort of resolution, just so they can get on with their lives.

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'Relieved' isn't the right word for me...

I go more with " it is what it is."

Oh Tom has been over there for years now and it never got any easier for me.

In fact it's even harder since the birth of my grandson.

Losing my husband didn't help either, of course...

But anyway, the family are very happy over there and so I am pleased for them.

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On relevant note, I don't understand UK politics and what is going on right now. It's not a sarcasm, I really don't understand it.
I'm sure that the British themselves don't even understand what's going on.

 

Well, I was wondering about the silence recently, until I was told the British parliament was on vacation. Titanic is about to hit the iceberg, but the captain takes a nap first. And ask for more time after he wakes up. I think I will express the feeling of many people here that we are really beeped off by this situation. I often think that even a no-deal would be better, as it would finally create some tangible state/situation to start from. Now the UK is like Schrödinger's cat. A big and annoying version of it. I'm sure for the UK citizens it must be much worse. To sit in a black box for three years not knowing if you are dead or alive.
except that if a no deal passes, it would mean shortages of medicine and loads of boats trying to enter the UK but unable to because they don't have the freedom of movement anymore.
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58 minutes ago, Fantasy Lover said:

if a no deal passes, it would mean shortages of medicine and loads of boats trying to enter the UK but unable to because they don't have the freedom of movement anymore.

I would certainly hope that some sort of interim measures could be worked out, just to ease the transition.

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I know about the consequences. I knew most of them even before the referendum. And knowing a bunch of people from the UK doesn't allow me to feel the good old German schadenfreude about it.
But from afar I have the impression UK politicians don't even take the whole thing seriously. As if they believed the EU will give in if they fuss around long enough. And they seem to be willing to drag this situation forever when the EU allows them to. Because they never had a plan.

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I could largely agree.

But let's be clear: this is Remainers and chiefly Tories...not ALL UK politicians.

Here in Scotland, our votes don't count!

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On 9/4/2019 at 10:00 AM, Van Buren Supernova said:

Hold on.. all this time, what am I doing here, waiting and biting edge of tables between seasons???? Good God! What a m*r*n I must be?!

Excuse me, I'm going to watch season 5 NOW, I'm sure it exists.

LaterZ!

So, how was it? And can you make cheap knock-off videos of it for the rest of us?

On 9/4/2019 at 10:46 AM, Van Buren Supernova said:

On relevant note, I don't understand UK politic and what is going on right now.

It's not a sarcasm, I really don't understand it.

Me either. I just spent 20 minutes reading about it and I'm more confused than when I started.

 

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Does anybody know if there will be a shut down of the parliament? Is it unavoidable? (buying popcorn for the three more months, just in case)

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55 minutes ago, J.P. said:

Does anybody know if there will be a shut down oÔĽŅf the parliament?

From what I've read, they're not talking about a mere recess (like the recent "shutdown" of the US Congress), they're talking about basically cancelling the current makeup of Parliament, pending a new general election.  And of course there will be another election sooner or later, so the only question is when.

A friend just passed me this link:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/there-will-still-be-an-election-in-the-uk-and-brexit-will-still-happen

It's clear which outcome the author is rooting for (as is virtually always the case with political writing), but I actually understood that article.

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Personally, I expect Brexit to happen too, the question is only when and on what terms. 

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A local newspaper compared Boris Johnson's negotiation tactics with the EU to a bank robber storming the cashier's office, putting his gun against his temple and shouting, "I've got a hostage!"

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On 10/4/2019 at 7:37 PM, Caya said:

A local newspaper compared Boris Johnson's negotiation tactics with the EU to a bank robber storming the cashier's office, putting his gun against his temple and shouting, "I've got a hostage!"

Oh I am relieved!

From his confidence, I thought he has something up his sleeves that I don't get. I thought I was just getting stupider by day. It might not be entirely untrue, it's getting more and more difficult for me to understand why many things are the way they are.

 

On 9/6/2019 at 8:28 PM, Arcadia said:

So, how was it? And can you make cheap knock-off videos of it for the rest of us?

No cheap knock-off video, my knock-off bellstaff, 5 bucks raincoat, had been torn way too long ago it's shorter than my belly button now, it doesn't look graceful even for knock-off.

But season 5 is really good, Sherlock and John have their usual adventures and cases, some picking up from canon and the rest are really smart and intriguing puzzles that we can solve along if we see AND observe. But what I like the most is the red thread that continues throughout the three episodes. (Yes, there are three episode, but two hours each). While season 1 and 2 is Moriarty, 3 Magnussen and 4 is Eurus, season 5 is... Sherlock. Without spoiling too much, well, spoiling a lot, actually, look away! .. Sherlock disappears at the end of episode two, and on the finale, episode 3, Sherlock would appear mostly in John and Mycroft's thoughts and memory while Mycroft and John with the help of Lestrade, Molly and Mrs.Hudson have to find him by remembering back how and what Sherlock is, tracing his steps trying to think What Would Sherlock Do? in attempt to rescue him from perceived kidnapping by this season-long villain, but is it really what it seems? It's very interesting and heartwarming to see Mycroft and John's attempt, and whether they really know Sherlock, and to see how they interpret him. And the ending! You gotta see the ending. Too bad I can't tell you, you know my stance in spoiler. :P

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That sounds absolutely wonderful, VBS -- I can hardly wait till they show it over here!

P.S.:  If it's not a spoiler, can you tell how John is doing his hair?

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On 10/7/2019 at 10:32 AM, Van Buren Supernova said:

From his confidence, I thought he has something up his sleeves that I don't get. I thought I was just getting stupider by day. It might not be entirely untrue, it's getting more and more difficult for me to understand why many things are the way they are.

:patpatpat: 

On 10/7/2019 at 10:32 AM, Van Buren Supernova said:

And the ending! You gotta see the ending. Too bad I can't tell you, you know my stance in spoiler. :P

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On 10/8/2019 at 12:57 AM, Carol the Dabbler said:

P.S.:  If it's not a spoiler, can you tell how John is doing his hair?

Very spot-on question because John's hair actually gets an important scene.

In episode one, John shows up with season 4's hairstyle (something that I, or we, think doesn't make sense). Then there is a rapid-fire parade of small cases and in between, his hair goes back to Season 1-3's, without explanation, more like goof. But it's not, and they explain it in episode 3, which as said previously, Sherlock has gone missing.

John is very worried about Sherlock's safety, but he doesn't have anymore lead and stuck in finding Sherlock's whereabouts. In despair, he goes back to the location where Sherlock was last seen, a crime scene. While trying too find clue, any clue, John sees and hears Sherlock, remembering him in another crime scene, (just like the stair-well memory in... TEH?) reenacting the time when Sherlock made a big fuss about John's hair,  complaining that John was leaving trace in the crime scene and went into rant about Aminomethyl Propanol  and how he was trying to use new method but then some people don't seem to bother about crime scene contamination and so on so forth, prancing around - waving his hands wildly - messing his own hair and seemed oblivious about doing the very thing he complained about, while John and Lestrade exchanged look as long suffering partner.  

(Sidenote: I remember in early season,  Sherlock commented that John was using hair product, that John retaliated as shampoo only, any of you remember which episode? I can't remember, gahhh. Anyway, that is one of the reasons why I find odd that Sherlock said nothing about John's hair in season 4, thankfully they will fix it in 5. This callback scene is apparently the reason why John abruptly changed back his hair in episode one, you really need to be Sherlock Holmes to make him do that, another T-shirt for Mary)

Frustated, John freezes the Sherlock memory and yells at him to tell him to tell John where he is, and he notices the word Sherlock is mouthing, Crime Scene Contamination, and he then starts to look around with fresh eyes, that this very crime scene is both the crime scene for the last victim they investigated and the crime scene where Sherlock disappeared, and John should find new lead if he knows which clues belong to which crime scene. 

 

 

No more spoiler guys, be patient for year 2023. Get yourself together. Geez. :P And this is off topic!

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1 hour ago, Van Buren Supernova said:

I remember in early season,  Sherlock commented that John was using hair product, that John retaliated as shampoo only, any of you remember which episode? I can't remember, gahhh. Anyway, that is one of the reasons why I find odd that Sherlock said nothing about John's hair in season 4, thankfully they will fix it in 5.

Yes, thank goodness!

The scene you're apparently thinking of is in "Great Game" (I think I've previously said Reichenbach, but Ariane DeVere just convinced me I'd been wrong):

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MOLLY: He’s not gay. Why d’you have to spoil ...? He’snot.

SHERLOCK: With that level of personal grooming?

JOHN: Because he puts a bit of product in his hair?  I put product in my hair.

SHERLOCK: You wash your hair. There’s a difference.

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But then in S4, John clearly *is* using "product" in his hair.  I'm glad Sherlock will finally be able to bring him to his senses in S5.
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Whew! I was just assuming that by the time S5 came out, Watson would be bald. So relieved to know I'm wrong.....

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6 hours ago, Arcadia said:

I was just assuming that by the time S5 came out, Watson would be bald.

I've been thinking we might all be bald by then!  Glad to know that VBS's crystal ball says otherwise.   ;)

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