Technophobe needs help.

[HerlockSholmes]

Could some kind dweller in the 21st century tell Herlock The Caveman what a ‘tag’ is please👍

[Carol the Dabbler]

"Tag" as regards forum threads?  Near as I understand it, a tag is a searchable label.  So if somebody wanted to find all the threads that are about Moriarty, they could just search on that tag.

However it's up to the person who creates the thread to determine what tags to apply, and different people have different ideas about how to decide.  Some people come up with such creative tags that I doubt anyone would ever think to search on them.  And some people (like me) have never really gotten the hang of it and therefore don't assign any.

In other words, you have lots of company!

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Thanks, Camper, that Snapseed looks perfect! I'll make a note of it
I notices it says you can "save and share" photos ... I'm wondering if that means there's a way to save it with a new filename there. (?) Most art shows require a very specific filename format, so that feature is an essential.
Can you upload and download photos to/from the internet with an iPhone? That might provide a solution; save it to the Web somewhere where you can edit the name, download it with the new name. Clunky way to do it, but .....

For whatever reason Tapatalk never told me about this reply. An iPhone would allow an upload to the internet or download to a computer for a file name change. Not sure if Snapseed does or not as I haven’t tried it.

[HerlockSholmes]

21 hours ago, Carol the Dabbler said:

"Tag" as regards forum threads?  Near as I understand it, a tag is a searchable label.  So if somebody wanted to find all the threads that are about Moriarty, they could just search on that tag.

However it's up to the person who creates the thread to determine what tags to apply, and different people have different ideas about how to decide.  Some people come up with such creative tags that I doubt anyone would ever think to search on them.  And some people (like me) have never really gotten the hang of it and therefore don't assign any.

In other words, you have lots of company!

Thanks for that Carol👍 I knew that it would be something that I would be clueless approach😃

[HerlockSholmes]

I’m back again and as stuck as ever.

ive just downloaded imgbb after being advised to do so. I’ve manage to upload a picture (twice actually.) But I cant for the life of me see how I would post that image onto a Forum like this one or any other. Someone said that it was simple!

How is it simple?

can someone run me through it pleases?

Thanks👍

[Caya]

Well for starters, are you attempting to do this from a PC/Laptop or a phone (and if so, an IPhone or an Android)?

[HerlockSholmes]

1 hour ago, Caya said:

Well for starters, are you attempting to do this from a PC/Laptop or a phone (and if so, an IPhone or an Android)?

From an iPad Caya.

[HerlockSholmes]

https://ibb.co/jGiUiU

has this worked?

[HerlockSholmes]

Just now, HerlockSholmes said:

https://ibb.co/jGiUiU

has this worked?

Yes it has👍

[Arcadia]

Yours? Nice!

[HerlockSholmes]

On 9/1/2018 at 3:05 AM, Arcadia said:

Yours? Nice!

Thanks Arcadia,

Yes, I drew it a year or so ago. I did that one, the Brett one that’s my avatar and one of Rathbone which I’ll try and find. I’m sure that I have a Cumberbatch one somewhere.👍

[Arcadia]

That's the Peter Cushing one, right? Funny, when I saw it I just thought "hey, that's Sherlock Holmes!" and didn't even think about which portrayal it was.

Did you ever try to draw Holmes based solely on Watson's description of him? Or is there an incarnation that you think most closely fits that description? I'm vaguely familiar with Paget's illustrations, do you think he was on the right track? I'm looking at your three little heads on your signature line and thinking they all sure look different.....

[Carol the Dabbler]

If I may butt in a moment, Paget may (or may not) have captured the true Holmes -- but he sure as heck missed the boat with Watson.  David Burke and Edward Hardwicke are probably the best representations I've seen, and even Nigel Bruce came closer than Paget did.  In all fairness, though, I believe Paget was illustrating the stories long before Watson described himself in Milverton, so he was working in a vacuum (apparently without much help from Doyle).

[Arcadia]

His illustrations of Watson do have him rather younger, taller and slimmer than I would expect from looking at the actors. So how does Doyle describe him?

[Carol the Dabbler]

1 hour ago, Arcadia said:

His illustrations of Watson do have him rather younger, taller and slimmer than I would expect from looking at the actors. So how does Doyle describe him?

This is from the end of Milverton.  Holmes and Watson have witnessed a murder and don't care to explain to the police why they were there.  They manage to escape, but the gardener gets a pretty good look at Watson as they do so, and Lestrade quotes his description to Holmes next morning (note that, yet again, the last line inside the quote box should be *after* the box -- where I @#$& well *put* it):

Quote

 

... He was a middle-sized, strongly built man -- square jaw, thick neck, moustache, a mask over his eyes."

     "That's rather vague," said Sherlock Holmes. "My, it might be a description of Watson!"

Definitely not the fellow in the Paget illustrations.  Well, except for the mustache.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

If Milverton were towards the end of Sherlock’s career (or after his resurrection for that matter), it could be possible that Watson gained weight making him look less like how Paget originally drew him.

[Carol the Dabbler]

True.  There's no way of knowing, though.  It was definitely published after Holmes' return, but Watson says that he's intentionally disguised the details, including the date, in order to protect the identities of Milverton's victims.

Come to think of it, though, wouldn't the date of Milverton's death be a matter of public record?  (Unless of course that wasn't actually his name.)

[Arcadia]

So the mustache wasn't just Paget's creation! (I am referring, of course, to John's line about having to grow a mustache in order to be recognized in TAB.)  

Thanks, Carol. Curiosity satisfied.

[Carol the Dabbler]

1 minute ago, Arcadia said:

So the mustache wasn't just Paget's creation!

May have been, originally.  As John said, makes it easier possible to tell which one's Watson.  The verbal description of Watson wasn't published till well after the illustrated Watson had already been established as mustachio'd.

But isn't it an odd coincidence how much the gardener's description of Watson sounds like Doyle? 

[Arcadia]

Why, yes, now that you mention it. You'd almost think he'd written the stories, instead of Watson!

[HerlockSholmes]

On 9/2/2018 at 7:01 PM, Arcadia said:

That's the Peter Cushing one, right? Funny, when I saw it I just thought "hey, that's Sherlock Holmes!" and didn't even think about which portrayal it was.

Did you ever try to draw Holmes based solely on Watson's description of him? Or is there an incarnation that you think most closely fits that description? I'm vaguely familiar with Paget's illustrations, do you think he was on the right track? I'm looking at your three little heads on your signature line and thinking they all sure look different.....

Arcadia, I apologise for missing your last post.

Drawing a generic Holmes is something that I’ve always intended to try but have never gotten around to. It might be an interesting exercise to see who it might resemble. It might not resemble any known representation of him.

Paget’s drawings were iconic. After he died other illustrators had to work to the same model (including Pagets brother Walter, who was his model for Holmes and the illustrator of one story.)

Probably my favourite Holmes illustration is by Frank Wiles.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=frank+wiles+holmes&safe=strict&rlz=1C9BKJA_enGB704GB704&hl=en-GB&prmd=niv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJ9oTMjavdAhViJ8AKHdZZAZYQ_AUIEigC&biw=1024&bih=1251#imgrc=Z5D1zFy6LlfhsM:

I also love the work of Frederick Dorr Steele who illustrated in the USA. Because William Gillette was, for everyone, Sherlock Holmes he basically drew him as Holmes.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe=strict&rlz=1C9BKJA_enGB704GB704&hl=en-GB&biw=1024&bih=1251&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=fpiTW4CDGonCgAbH7aLgDQ&ins=true&q=dorr+steele+holmes&oq=dorr+steele+holmes&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.12...4626.10774..15539...2.0..0.85.1029.18......0....1.......5..0j35i39j0i67j0i30j0i5i30j0i8i30j0i13.dX1D410z4k8#imgrc=1FOMMU3KJzszkM:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe=strict&rlz=1C9BKJA_enGB704GB704&hl=en-GB&biw=1024&bih=1251&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=fpiTW4CDGonCgAbH7aLgDQ&ins=true&q=dorr+steele+holmes&oq=dorr+steele+holmes&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.12...4626.10774..15539...2.0..0.85.1029.18......0....1.......5..0j35i39j0i67j0i30j0i5i30j0i8i30j0i13.dX1D410z4k8#imgrc=vBVW-OdroOWsYM:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe=strict&rlz=1C9BKJA_enGB704GB704&hl=en-GB&biw=1024&bih=1251&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=fpiTW4CDGonCgAbH7aLgDQ&ins=true&q=dorr+steele+holmes&oq=dorr+steele+holmes&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.12...4626.10774..15539...2.0..0.85.1029.18......0....1.......5..0j35i39j0i67j0i30j0i5i30j0i8i30j0i13.dX1D410z4k8#imgrc=wQCXbcjX_LRjDM:

of the movie/tv representations many feel that Arthur Wontner was the closest. He played Holmes in the 30’s just before Rathbone.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe=strict&rlz=1C9BKJA_enGB704GB704&hl=en-GB&biw=1024&bih=1251&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=nJiTW4r9LsmfgAbElKOQCQ&ins=true&q=wontner+holmes&oq=wontner+holmes&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.3...171985.177467..178026...2.0..0.70.811.14......0....1.......5..0j35i39j0i67j0i13j0i5i30j0i24j0i8i30.9fFVlZrugxc#imgrc=pmeCOrtySgbUKM:

 

 

[Arcadia]

I haven't seen the Steele ones before, I love those! I love that style, for one thing.

The Wiles ones, I've seen those a lot, pretty sure those are the ones that helped form my early impression of Holmes. Except for the receding hairline, I don't equate that with Holmes at all. Probably because my other early impressions were mostly formed by Rathbone.

[HerlockSholmes]

Rathbone certainly looked the part too. Especially in The Hound.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=rathbone+hound+of+the+baskervilles&safe=strict&rlz=1C9BKJA_enGB704GB704&hl=en-GB&prmd=isvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJlIj0wqvdAhURdcAKHZEsDHUQ_AUIESgB&biw=1024&bih=1251#imgrc=CfpluF728lXB4M:

Strangley the poorest illustration of Holmes was by Doyle’s father.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe=strict&rlz=1C9BKJA_enGB704GB704&hl=en-GB&biw=1024&bih=1251&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=N9CTW83iO9LrgAbCroG4Cg&ins=true&q=charles+doyle+holmes&oq=charles+doyle+holmes&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.3...32896.40419..41612...2.0..0.79.1102.20......0....1.......5..0j35i39j0i67j0i5i30j0i8i30j0i30.cSVHLnDDCe0#imgrc=6PgEKDrhmf1OzM:

[Arcadia]

4 hours ago, HerlockSholmes said:

Strangley the poorest illustration of Holmes was by Doyle’s father.

Oh dear. Is the guy with the beard supposed to be Holmes? Did not Doyle senior ever read what he was illustrating?  

Rathbone's "Hounds" was THE Sherlock Holmes as far as I was concerned growing up. I didn't even know it was based on a book. To be fair, I was very young....  

[HerlockSholmes]

15 hours ago, Arcadia said:

Oh dear. Is the guy with the beard supposed to be Holmes? Did not Doyle senior ever read what he was illustrating?  

Rathbone's "Hounds" was THE Sherlock Holmes as far as I was concerned growing up. I didn't even know it was based on a book. To be fair, I was very young....  

Yes a bearded Holmes. Doyle’s father was a good artist but the illustrations that he did for this version of A Study In Scarlet we’re very poor.

Rathbone’s ‘Hounds’ is still considered by many to be the best version ever and I agree. A great movie. Rathbone was spot-on as Holmes.👍