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Loekie
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Didn't Mark Gatiss say as much in that BTS video about the ILY scene? I think Mark Gatiss prefers Molly for Sherlock and Moffat prefers Adler for Sherlock.
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Euros could have reacted like: this is not what I want. And then the solution. But she screamed: no Sherlock! Sherlock don't do that!!! Rather strange. I think she was liking Sherlock more and more. She even gave him time to take a rest after the confrontation with Molly.
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I'm sorry, Loekie, which scene do you mean? I don't remember a scene where Sherlock is close to falling off a bridge. Do you mean when he and "Faith" were taking a walk? He wasn't about to fall, there, he was collapsing in pain from the effect of the drugs he was taking. But he wasn't in any danger of falling off. If he had been, I think "Faith" might have saved him ... because she still wanted to play her game with him. Did seeing his love for Molly change her mind about what she would do to Sherlock? I don't know, I think that's still a big question. Sherlock looked harmed but Faith said or did nothing. When Sherlock put a pistol on his head, Euros screamed: No Sherlock! Don't! Quite a difference.
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Sherlock saved Molly and Molly saved Sherlock. Because after the love scene, Euros decided not to let Sherlock kill himself. Earlier, she didn't mind when Sherlock almost fell of the bridge. So she has changed, and the only reason can be that she saw the love between Sherlock and Molly, after that she wanted Sherlocks love too.
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Excellent, thanks.
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In the moment, it must have felt humiliating. I don't know about devastated after but I'd think it would change their friendship going forward. In real life when something like this happens, where one person admits to being in love to the object of that love and it's not reciprocated likewise, then usually that friendship ends (maybe not right away) because it's awkward for both and it's not like you can unhear the declaration. Basically at that point, both people in the friendship have to pick a lane and there's usually no going back once you choose. You do not know those songs with the phrase: say you love me, even though you do not mean it? She was becoming a real jitterbug and this was all she needed. Example: Tell me you love meIf you don't then lieOh lie to me True love - Coldplay
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I just noticed that the vote can be changed! I changed it from 3/10 to 10/10.
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Hoi hoi!
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excuus
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If there is something fans seem upset about with this episode it’s that there’s no resolving scene with Molly after that very effective devastating call to her while she’s in the kitchen. Did you consider doing one? Is it fair to leave her that like that? But that’s not how we leave her. People need to learn to face their televisions, we see her later on– We see her skipping into the room but– She gets over it! Surely at a certain point you have to figure out that after Sherlock escapes tells her, “I’m really sorry about that, it was a code, I thought your flat was about to blow up.” And she says, “Oh well that’s okay then, you bastard.” And then they go back to normal, that’s what people do. I can’t see why you’d have to play that out. She forgives him, of course, and our newly grown-up Sherlock is more careful with her feelings in the future. In the end of that scene, she’s a bit wounded by it all, but he’s absolutely devastated. He smashes up the coffin, he’s in pieces, he’s more upset than she is, and that’s a huge step in Sherlock’s development. The question is: Did Sherlock survive that scene? She probably had a drink and went and shagged someone, I dunno. Molly was fine. http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/16/sherlock-showrunner-season-4-finale/ Haha! Fantastic. It's not only about love, it's also about sex between Sherlock and Molly. They said to each other i love you but the way they did that! If at that moment they were close to each other, alone with each other, than the coffin would be not to pieces I think. You’ve said you originally had a completely different scene originally for that Molly sequence that you scrapped, what was it? It was a rather boring one in retrospect. It was clever — Molly was actually trapped inside the coffin and they had to solve a puzzle to get her out. But while it was a clever puzzle and we liked it, we were the only ones who liked it. It was just another puzzle and it wasn’t something Euros would be particularly interested in putting Sherlock through because she’s more interested in the emotional then why he’s clever. So we scrapped it and I’m glad we did because I rather like the replacement scene. http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/16/sherlock-showrunner-season-4-finale/ Interesting!
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Moffat said that "sometimes the very very best thing you do is a last-minute improv. For instance, we very much love the Molly Hooper scene in the Final Problem, and that's the last thing we wrote, because nobody liked the original scene, and everyone thought it was rubbish, apart from me and Mark, who said it was wonderful. But eventually we gave in and wrote a different scene. I think it's the best thing in it, and that was the eleventh hour." http://www.tcs.cam.ac.uk/culture/0036527-moffat-and-gatiss-on-sherlock-representation-and-box-ticking.html The geniuses at their best.
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But she was wrong. Sherlock earlier was right about a hallucinating of John.
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Maybe Euros was one second affected by the passion without violence between Sherlock and Molly. Because in her mind everything is connected with violence, we saw earlier when she touched the hands of Sherlock and what happened next.
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Yes, a fascination with "all those countless complicated emotions". It took a moment for her to process.
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Does Euros want sex with Sherlock?
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I don't know what would have happened to Sherlock, but I would have collapsed into a weeping mess and probably been carried out of the cinema on a stretcher so as not to disturb the other guests. Haha! I think in that case Sherlock would not forgive Euros. The end would be different.
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Maybe she had spies working for her? There was a camera in the appartment of Molly.
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What would have happened if Euros had blew up the appartment of Molly? She was able to do so, we saw earlier.
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Yes, especially some of the poor reviews online seem quite unfair, when you consider the quality of this episode compared to a lot of other shows on TV. The fact they have so many relationships, interactions and concepts that we all can see in so many different ways, must mean they are doing something right. And, this one in particular, had so many small but huge moments for the characters, that a little outlandishness from the plot can be forgiven You know it's not just fans that are giving this season poor reviews. It's professional critics as well. Season 4 of Sherlock got 59% on Rotten Tomatoes. For comparison's sake, Season 1 got 100%, Season 2 got 100% and Season 3 got 97%. Dropping from 97% to 59% is quite bad. Metacritic hasn't released its released its score yet however it has made 3 reviews it used public. 2/3 of the reviews are mixed (which is the 40 - 60 range). For comparison, none of the previous seasons ever got any mixed reviews. All the reviews were positive. Season 1 got 85, Season 2 got 91 and Season 3 got 88. It's expected for Season 4's score to be lower here as well. Season 4 isn't getting critical acclaim which feels very off to many Sherlock fans because Sherlock is a show that has been critically acclaimed since its first season. I can see why so many people are angry at Moffatiss for the new direction they took the series with in Season 4. This makes me wonder if the poor reviews would convince Moffatiss to not take the next season of Sherlock (assuming they make it) in a new direction like they did with Season 4. Maybe there are many like me: first I gave it a poor review, now I think it's excellent.
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Fantastic, thanks! I think the love feelings of Sherlock have yet to be cultivated. Molly is happy anyway.
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VELMA (offscreen): ... being searched ... (Mycroft turns to the screen.) VELMA: ... thoroughly. Hmm, I see similarities with Sherlock 'being searched' by Molly in the previous episode. Nothing is coincidence in Sherlock.
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This is it: He said that wasn’t the actions of a man who doesn’t really care. He said, as a man, if I had to get a woman to say that and I didn’t really love her, I wouldn’t care as much. I surely wouldn’t care enough to smash an entire coffin to bits with my bear hands.
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Why did he hit the coffin to pieces?
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I think it's telling us that Moriarty wanted Sherlock to commit suicide and that Euros has the same power. Or Sherlock is suspicious and is testing her, she does nothing when he hangs over the railing.
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Moriarty told Sherlock that John was in danger. It is still possible that Mary is a compagnon of Magnussen and that she really wanted to kill Sherlock.
