HerlockSholmes

I like the title👍 The Honours system has come in for a lot of criticism over the years with accusations that they are often used as a reward for services to a particular political party. Make a large donation and some kind of honour will come your way which devalues the process for those that genuinely deserve recognition. When lists are produced you can almost hear the cries of “why?” I notice that in the 2020 list Craig David got an MBE but I don’t know anything about him or why it was felt that he deserved one? Toby Jones got an OBE and Sheila Hancock became a Dame for her services to drama and charity (John Thaw got a CBE in 1994) Peter Cushing got an OBE in 1989. Christopher Lee got a knighthood then a CBE along with a lot of military awards which were sadly all auctioned off in 2017. I don’t know why Brett was overlooked but I know that there is a petition here (which I’ve signed) to get him a posthumous BAFTA. https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/jbbafta

Hi Carol, Marquess is pronounces Mar Kwus. Thanks for clarifying about John Lennon. I couldn’t recall the details. On the refusal of honours. I didn’t know but I’ve looked it up and found that over the last 10 years it goes from 1.25% to 2.7%. The lowest umber of honours offered was 1,987 in 2011. The highest being 2,504 in 2020. If we averaged the out over the last 10 years I’m guessing that it would be 2.200-2,300 offered per year with around 2% being rejected. My Knighthood must have been lost in the Post.🙁

I just noticed that Carol had already answered the Honours List question.👍 On the refusal of honours, many have refused. I seem to recall John Lennon turning one down (or am I imagining it?) We also have the Peerage system of course. In order of importance these are Duke, Marquess, Earl, Viscount and Baron (with Duchess, Baroness etc of course) After the war Churchill was offered the Dukedom Of London but turned it down as it would have meant that he couldn’t have sat in the House Of Commons but would have had to have sat in The House Of Lords. The Commons is where the elected MP’s sit (government and opposition) so this would have meant Churchill giving up the Leadership of the Conservative Party and therefore all hope of ever being PM again (which he eventually was of course) It used to be impossible to relinquish a title until a Socialist Labour politician called Anthony Wedgwood Benn came along. When his father died he inherited a title (Viscount Stansgate) which meant that he was no longer allowed to sit in the Commons. He fought this and it led to The Peerage Reform Act 1963. He renounced his title (even shortening his name to the less posh Tony Benn.)

No, Brett never received any recognition apart from people saying that he was the finest Holmes ever. It’s good that there are people pushing for recognition for him. It would be a case of better late than never. He was also universally well liked too of course.

Hi Arcadia, Its simply a list announced every New Year (they also make awards on the Queen’s birthday) of people who have been given awards such as Knighthoods KBE (where you become Sir something) or, if you’re a woman you become a Dame DBE (like Judy Dench) Then there are awards like OBE (The Most Excellent Order Of The British Empire - they haven’t noticed that the Empire has gone yet😃) The MBE (Member Of The Order Of The British Empire) or the CBE (Commander Of The Most Excellent Order Of The British Empire) They’re based on the old heraldic orders of chivalry. Knight and Dame are the highest. The CBE, then OBE then MBE. CBE - The CBE is awarded to individuals for having a prominent role at national level, or a leading role at regional level. CBEs are also awarded for distinguished and innovative contribution to any area OBE - The OBE is awarded to individuals who have made major contributions at a local level, or whose work has gained a national profile MBE - The MBE is awarded for an outstanding achievement or service to the community which has had a long-term, significant impact. Thats without going into Baron’s, Esrl’s, Viscount’s etc. It’s pretty complicated (even for us) That’s 2000 + years of history for you.🙂

I may have asked this before but does anyone know if there was any reason given that Donovan didn’t endure as a character? To be honest I’ve only re-watched A Study In Pink so I can’t recall how many episodes she was actually in?

I’m wondering if the shock ending of The Last Sherlock Holmes Story was echoed by DC Donovan when she warned John about what might eventually happen if he continues his association with Sherlock?🤔

I did have a look Arcadia but only a very brief one. I’ll try again.👍

Oops. My apologies Carol, I didn’t consider the ‘spoiler alert’ aspect of my post.

It was the ending I hated Carol. It was a well written book though.👍

The Last Sherlock Holmes Story by Michael Dibdin.........noooooooo!!!🙁

I didn’t get to go inside J.P. I was on a London Walking tour which just happened to stop next to the Hospital. There’s a Bart’s Museum and they do tours by Ive never done one. They have a plaque inside commemorating the meeting between Holmes and Watson. https://www.london-walking-tours.co.uk/secret-london/holmes-watson-plaque.htm

You assume that because I’m a man that wouldn’t know this😵 You’re absolutely correct of course😃 Its certainly not something I’ve paid any attention too I’m afraid Hikari but according to Wiki, before Victoria’s Diamond Jubilee the diamond was associated with the 75th anniversary. Considering life expectancy in those days I have to ask how many actually reached a 75th anniversary?

I thought you were joking Carol. I’d certainly never heard of Beryl Vertue.

I’ll check😃

Or, at the risk of the very valid question being asked “How much time does Herlock have on his hands?” 7 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 6 = 17 How many stairs leading up to 221B? 😃👍

Ok, prepare yourself for my nomination for the most tenuous link..... The number on Jeff Hope’s badge was 71126. Split the number 7-11-26. So, 7th November 1926. Anyone born on this day is a Scorpio. The zodiac gemstone for Scorpio is......Beryl. Ladies and Gentleman, I give you.......The Beryl Coronet.👍😃

I was trying to watch closely but it looks like I missed an obvious one Carol.

I’ve been to Bart’s and saw the Sherlock grafitto plastered everywhere. I wish I could have gone inside on a tour but I didn’t have time. I wanted to see the plaque. https://www.london-walking-tours.co.uk/secret-london/holmes-watson-plaque.htm ...... Was the knife there? How did I miss that? I did look for the Persian slipper though I might watch the second episode tomorrow? When I’ve rewatched the series I might get that book and see what I’ve missed.

I liked their version of Dracula. Am I alone on this?

I'm currently reading MX Volume 8 which includes The Adventure Of A Rat by Adrian Middleton which is another story based on The Giant Rat (but it's not actually a rat) Good story though.

Peter Cushing played Holmes at 71, Christopher Lee at 70, Ian McKellen was 76.😃

Yes, I should have mentioned the pills Carol👍

A very clumsy thread title which I’d be happy for the Mods to change.👍 Carol suggested this thread so here goes. I just re-watched A Study In Pink watching for any Canon references that I could see. I’ve probably missed loads. Some are pretty (or very) tenuous some are very obvious, like the first which I just add for completeness. A Study In Pink - A Study In Scarlet John has his army pistol - Watson’s service revolver which is mentioned numerous times. John’s blog - Watson’s writings about Holmes. Sherlock’s website - Holmes newspaper article which Watson dismisses. Mike Stamford - Stamford introduces Holmes and Watson. Barts Hospital. John and Mike’s coffee cups have the word ‘Criterion’ on them - Watson met Stamford at The Criterion Bar. Lauriston Garden’s - The also the scene of the murder in ASIS Rache - Used in ASIS but as the German for revenge not Rachel. The phrase The Game Is On - The Game’s Afoot. Sherlock’s mobile phone deduction - In The Sign Of Four Holmes makes similar deductions from Watson’s brother’s watch. ‘Suicide’ Jennifer Wilson - In The Red Headed League the pawnbroker is Jabez Wilson. Also one of the cases mention is of Wilson, the notorious Canary Trainer. ’Suicide’ Patterson - One case mentioned by Watson is untold story of The Grace-Paterson’s on the Island Of Uffa (different spelling so probably too tenuous to count) ‘Suicide’ James Phillimore - In The Problem Of Thor Bridge, Holmes mentions the case of James Phillimore who “stepping back into his own house to get his umbrella, was never more seen in this world.” So that’s a direct parallel. Sherlock’s nicotine addiction - Holmes cocaine. Sherlock’s 3 patch problem - Holmes 3 pipe problem. John leaves his stick at Angela’s - Dr Mortimer left his stick at 221b. Sherlock cleared Angelo of Murder by proving he was elsewhere committing a crime - I’m unsure if this idea was in the Canon (possibly not?) but it’s used in a Rathbone movie I think it was The Voice Of Terror (the piano player in the pub.) 22 Northumberland Avenue is the address given - If you go onto Google InstantStreetView type 22 Northumberland Avenue you can see the Sherlock Holmes pub 30 yards away. Also Sir Henry Baskerville also stayed in the Northumberland Hotel. During the chase you see a sign for Lexington Street - In The Norwood Builder the housekeeper is Mrs Lexington. Taxi driver Jeff Hope - The murderer in ASIS is Jefferson Hope who drove a Hansom Cab. John tells Sherlock that he’d actually been wounded in the shoulder - In the Canon Watson’s injury was initially in his shoulder but it later moved to his leg. Anderson - In The Five Orange Pips there’s mention of the loss of The Barque Sophie Anderson John shoots Jeff Hope through the window - Reminiscent of Sebastian Moran shooting the bust of Holmes in The Final Problem ......... That’s all that I spotted. I kept thinking that the name Donovan might have been used in the Canon but I think I’m wrong in that (although the name keeps nagging at me. I even tried looking at the taxi drivers badge number 71126 as 7th of October 1926 but I can’t find anything relevant.

I might just do that Carol. I’ve been intending a re-watch but my current House obsession has got in the way. Maybe I need a House timeout. I’m just about to begin the penultimate series.