Moriarty is a Woman

[bborchar]

Hey!  I just managed to get a split-second snip of the entry moment. (I have to click over and over - I can now split a second of film into five snips!) Guess what?  That guy who passes the supposedly bad cop and enters the building first?  It's Lestrade!  Your stairway guy as kidnapper theory is back in play - he had to already be inside. 

 

 

BTW, be careful of CC - the Netflix video CC is wrong in a few places.  Maybe the DVD is done by the producers and is better?

 

So, looking at it again, there's a slight editing difference between the scene outside and the scene inside the building.  Outside, Lestrade is clearly in front and the cop in the pink shirt (bad guy) is behind him by a step.  However, when the door opens, it's the pink-shirted cop coming in before Lestrade (I can't screencap it because my mac doesn't have a bluray drive).  I was wrong about the subtitles, though- the whispering is not denoted in the blu-ray subtitles.  However, I will say that I've never noticed any problems with the subtitles on the discs- so I'm supposing they were done by the production team.  The only issue I've run into with the blu-rays so far is that the menus and ads are INCREDIBLY LOUD compared to the episodes themselves.  I always have to turn the tv down until I get to the episode.  Hoping they fix that for whenever the third series comes out. 

 

On another note, I don't actually think that the assassin kidnapper is there in the sweets factory when the cops arrive, because the kids were set up in a way that would kill themselves without him being there anymore.  No point in getting caught by the cops if you don't have to.

[Carol the Dabbler]

... be careful of CC - the Netflix video CC is wrong in a few places.  Maybe the DVD is done by the producers and is better?

 

I don't offhand recall errors on the Sherlock DVD's subtitles, either (and subtitles errors generally irritate me sufficiently to remember them).

 

 

So, looking at it again, there's a slight editing difference between the scene outside and the scene inside the building.  Outside, Lestrade is clearly in front and the cop in the pink shirt (bad guy) is behind him by a step.  However, when the door opens, it's the pink-shirted cop coming in before Lestrade

From a we-know-it's-a-tv-show perspective, right, the editor used two different takes. From a Sherlock-universe perspective, we were seeing them from a sufficiently different angle that it was hard to be sure who was in front. However, I don't think a split second's difference would really be relevant. They were all going in different directions (remember Donovan yelling, "Spread out!"?). In that big of an unfamiliar building, it was unlikely that anyone would accidentally walk rapidly straight toward the children, so all the pink guy had to do, really, was hustle his butt in the right direction.

[bborchar]

 

... be careful of CC - the Netflix video CC is wrong in a few places.  Maybe the DVD is done by the producers and is better?

 

I don't offhand recall errors on the Sherlock DVD's subtitles, either (and subtitles errors generally irritate me sufficiently to remember them).

 

 

So, looking at it again, there's a slight editing difference between the scene outside and the scene inside the building.  Outside, Lestrade is clearly in front and the cop in the pink shirt (bad guy) is behind him by a step.  However, when the door opens, it's the pink-shirted cop coming in before Lestrade

From a we-know-it's-a-tv-show perspective, right, the editor used two different takes. From a Sherlock-universe perspective, we were seeing them from a sufficiently different angle that it was hard to be sure who was in front. However, I don't think a split second's difference would really be relevant. They were all going in different directions (remember Donovan yelling, "Spread out!"?). In that big of an unfamiliar building, it was unlikely that anyone would accidentally walk rapidly straight toward the children, so all the pink guy had to do, really, was hustle his butt in the right direction.

 

 

Exactly- he knows where the kids are so he makes a beeline, while everyone else is being more careful about it.  Just wanted to point out the editing mistake so that it was clear that it was just a mistake and not planned that way

[Julia Mae]

Thing is, when they come through the doors from the inside, those doors open onto a hallway behind them, who knows how many doors open into the main building?  Lestrade comes in, but the other guy holds the flashlight in front of his face the whole time, we have no idea who he is.

 

But someone seems to have been with the children, because they are whispering to those kids within a second or two of everyone coming inside.  Long before any cops could get to them. Not that it matters, I suppose, if it doesn't make sense, someone will just call it an editing error.

[Julia Mae]

 

 

Not seeing a pink shirt.

 

[bborchar]

 

Shot of him with Lestrade right before they go to get the kids.  Bad cop is wearing a pink shirt, so just follow the pink shirt

[Julia Mae]

 

Shot of him with Lestrade right before they go to get the kids.  Bad cop is wearing a pink shirt, so just follow the pink shirt

 

I see.  Well, he's wearing a coat when he runs into the building, you can see the sleeve just to the right of Donovan in the pic above.  Is that his official forumspeak designator?  "Pink shirt cop?" 

 

 

[bborchar]

 

 

Shot of him with Lestrade right before they go to get the kids.  Bad cop is wearing a pink shirt, so just follow the pink shirt

 

I see.  Well, he's wearing a coat when he runs into the building, you can see the sleeve just to the right of Donovan in the pic above.  Is that his official forumspeak designator?  "Pink shirt cop?" 

 

 

 

 

Heh, I guess it can be- until we get the rat's name  Wonder if that's what "rat" is in the first episode?

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

That would make a whole lot of sense. Somehow I don't think there is a giant rodent from Sumatra running around the sewers of London. One never knows...but somehow....I do doubt it. A two legged one fits the bill very nicely.

[Carol the Dabbler]

 

 

 
Shot of him with Lestrade right before they go to get the kids.  Bad cop is wearing a pink shirt, so just follow the pink shirt

 

Now if he'll just be kind enough to keep wearing that pink shirt, we'll have no trouble keeping track of him in Series 3.

 

[Julia Mae]

About that rat, from The Science of Johnlock:

 

 

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Yup a giant two legged rat for sure.

[Carol the Dabbler]

How bizarre.  Coincidence, I suppose, but still bizarre.

 

Assuming that the Ep 2 title is for real (i.e., assuming that it isn't Moftiss's little joke on the BBC), it would seem unlikely that all three words tie in to this (other) story -- but then again, we don't yet know much (if anything) about Ep 3, do we?

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

The only spoiler Moffat has given out about Ep3 is that it's going to be exasperating to the fans as the ending of Season 2 was. Whether or not that is true, I guess we are just going to have to wait. Does it depend on whether or not there is going to be a Season 4? Anyone's guess I suppose.

[Julia Mae]

How bizarre.  Coincidence, I suppose, but still bizarre.

 

Assuming that the Ep 2 title is for real (i.e., assuming that it isn't Moftiss's little joke on the BBC), it would seem unlikely that all three words tie in to this (other) story -- but then again, we don't yet know much (if anything) about Ep 3, do we?

 

Well, if we look at all these titles from before The Final Problem, we see rather a lot of them mentioned, or bits from them used as devices, or quotes requoted (I'd be lost without my blogger!)

 

• The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes [1892]

  A Scandal in Bohemia — The Red-headed League — A Case of Identity — The Boscombe Valley Mystery — The Five Orange Pips — The Man with the Twisted Lip — The Adventure of the Blue Carbuncle — The Adventure of the Speckled Band — The Adventure of the Engineer’s Thumb — The Adventure of the Noble Bachelor — The Adventure of the Beryl Coronet — The Adventure of the Copper Beeches

• The Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes [1894]

  Silver Blaze — The Yellow Face — The Stock-Broker’s Clerk — The “Gloria Scott” — The Musgrave Ritual — The Reigate Puzzle — The Crooked Man — The Resident Patient — The Greek Interpreter — The Naval Treaty — The Final Problem

So, in the stories grouped under "The Return of Sherlock Holmes, while he does return to Watson and 221B in "The Empty House"  -  it's quite possible they will use the plot of "The Adventure of Charles Augustus Milverton" the basis for whatever fun they have in store. 

 

I'm planning on rereading these just before Series 3 premieres:

 

The Return of Sherlock Holmes, by Arthur Conan Doyle

Table of Contents

1. The Adventure of the Empty House
2. The Adventure of the Norwood Builder
3. The Adventure of the Dancing Men
4. The Adventure of the Solitary Cyclist
5. The Adventure of the Priory School
6. The Adventure of Black Peter
7. The Adventure of Charles Augustus Milverton
8. The Adventure of the Six Napoleons
9. The Adventure of the Three Students
10. The Adventure of the Golden Pince-Nez
11. The Adventure of the Missing Three-Quarter
12. The Adventure of the Abbey Grange
13. The Adventure of the Second Stain

 

And looking for the next Moriarty.   Anticipating Series Three: the Next Moriarty

 

 

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

It occurs to me that Moftiss never said that the three words were to be interpreted one per episode, in that order.  (Actually, they didn't say much, just that they might be clues.)  So it's possible that all three relate to Episode 3, which could imply that the episode is based on "Milverton."

 

If that's the case, though, "bow" seems like the odd word out.  "Wedding" is obvious from the plot, and "rat" describes Milverton very nicely.  But "bow"?  Unless it pops up again later in the story (I've read only the first few pages so far), it doesn't seem particularly significant.

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

What would make it even more interesting is the fact that Gatiss and Moffat said that while Moriarty would not play a large part at all in the up coming season that there were more threatening villains out there then Charles Agustus Milverton. So are these teasers actually telling that it is based on The Adventure of Charles Agustus Milverton after all? Got to love how they keep us hooked.

[IQ192]

Point @ The Bohemian stationary writing being done by a woman , that seems to be the basis of your thesis.

The Client / collaborator / tool of Moriarty in this episode is Miss Wenceslas , the one with the Bohemian themed name , and accent .
I assumed that as Moriarty's accomplice in this venture , she was the woman that addressed the envelope .
The pen comment being just a nod to cannon , and ACD's advertisement for it. ( the pen ) 

[Carol the Dabbler]

The Client / collaborator / tool of Moriarty in this episode is Miss Wenceslas , the one with the Bohemian themed name , and accent .

I assumed that as Moriarty's accomplice in this venture , she was the woman that addressed the envelope .

 

Hadn't thought of that, but it makes sense.  She probably wouldn't question being asked to do something so innocuous-sounding.

 

 

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