Julia Mae

There is an article here about what was said by Mofftiss at ComicCon that was posted on tmblr as a series of screenshots. I'm going to repost some of it here so we can discuss it. Note that it doesn't say "based on footage in the episode." But in "season two." It's always seemed to me, we need to start with John and Mycroft meeting outside Speedy's to find the true beginning of TRF. In any case, maybe we need to re-examine the whole of Series 2 for clues. So this, at least, as any part of the answer to "what happened" eliminates the "Jim's alive" portion of theories. Sometimes people bolster arguments based on the "Sherlock's a sociopath" version of Holmesian reality. He is not, and I'm thrilled they finally stated that in clear terms. There are more of these at the link, but these relate to TRF. (Also, this is not what I was going to post about with the roof view, but I think it relates because to get to that you have to go back. Not being disingenuous, just thought this info should be in our framework for ideas first.)

The doorjamb is splintered next to the deadbolt throw. I will point out from my former cop persona, that is splintered very realistically - but in the wrong direction! That door opens in - not out - they could have forced it in, and that very realistic damage would have been on the inside of the door. No way to get that damage the way it appears. But that's TV for you - so we just Sherschlock on! I'll try a Google search later tonight. So, that link, that picture, that's the hospital? The real hospital? You went there?

Yes. This is why other fandoms feel sorry for the Sherlocked. We are desperately trolling for topics at this point. I actually have a topic for Reichenbach, but have to get some work done, first. Procrastination is my greatest writing skill. To that end, (a new topic, not procrastination) do you have an address where the rooftop scenes of Sherlock talking to John before he jumps were actually shot? I want to get a Google map overhead of the roof.

In that case, they ARE pronouncing it as you do. They are just speaking as they do! My problem with moving to the East Coast is the speed, really. Especially in DC. People talk so fast, my brain just won't process it.

There's no embed code for this, but Benedict made a video for ComicCon and it has hints about the Fall: http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/07/18/sherlock-comic-con-benedict-cumberbatch/

Yes, finally! (Or at least I will when the heat breaks.) So, I'm watching a bit of ASIB last night and Sherlock and John walk out the door which John pulls shut behind him. Using the knocker. But, entering the door when the note is a on it, you can still see a round bit of metal something at letter-slot level, which is shown fuzzily in my picture someplace above. If it's a doorknob, why wouldn't he use that? Reaching up for the knocker is awkward. So we may need to be reinstating your original observation: no knob on that door. At all.

That's my personal reaction, too. But a husband of mine (whose name I shall not mention) is partial to mashed-potato sandwiches. So there's really no accounting for taste. My daughter told me last night in a disturbing moment of complete honesty that she likes mayo on her fries. I suggested she avoid the rush and book her triple by-pass now. I actually get mashed potato sandwiches. I think it's from Thanksgiving leftover sandwiches where you put a bit of everything on bread and send it for lunches until it runs out. The potatoes last longest and usually have some gravy on them. See, this is a thing with me, because I never hear Sherlock say "Jawn," I always hear him say "Jahn." I'll have to go listen some more. That will be a burden, I tell you! My - training? I guess? Is to always pronounce a name as the one who holds the name pronounces it. Also, I have a last name often mispronounced. I also have a name pronounced differently in different parts of the country with the same spelling, or the same way in different parts of the country with spelling variants. So I guess I have a thing about it. I seem to have a lot of things, actually. To me, courtesy demands I do what I can with something as personal as a name, to pronounce it as the person does. Which is why, even though I have done what I could to be correct, I'll still ask him if I have it right. OTOH, I don't think this applies to famous dead folks. I'm going to say Van GO. Because I think Van Gochk sounds affected. But I'm going to say Vahg-ner, because I think "Wag-ner" is just not correct. Mostly, I'm not going to judge anyone for just doing the best they can do to be courteous and respectful. The best we can do is all we can do.

Ah! Excellent. I like this, it'll be great for local tourism, along with Speedy's, of course. It doesn't give us a satisfying answer to the question, but it does give me a sense of "all's right with the world."

HEY!!! Hey, yer an English person! You couldn't just pop in and tell me how to pronounce "Broughton?" Well, that's it. No more mayo for youse! (just .... ew)

This forum (I love this forum) hosts gifs, so:

OMIGOSH!! "Coffee syrup." On the shelf in the grocery store. Thank goodness I had to give up coffee entirely for health reasons. The ice cream is still good, tho'! I actually like the vinegar on fries deal, as long as it's malt. That got to be common in the west back when Arthur Treacher's was still in business. And the fish here is just - well - you lived here, so you know. YUMS. I played the English guy saying "Broughten" and it sounds to me like "brought-en." You know: like in bring, brang, brung, brought. Oddly, just like it's spelled. http://www.forvo.com/word/broughton/ Thank for cluing me in. You know, I ask the most ridiculous questions of Google and it never fails. I don't know why I didn't think it would tell me how to pronounce a name. (yes, "brang/ brung" is a joke )

I said "Boston" because I thought most would be familiar. You are right about the "pack" with the drawn-out "a". Where I actually ended up is in a little coastal town in Rhode Island. This "Boston-ish" accent is common here and it's also subtly different, as you mentioned there are several "versions," as you move up or down the coast until you get to the Stephen King Maine version. I never wanted to leave my home. But I only have a daughter, no other family, and when she got a job offer she couldn't refuse in the DC area, well, we packed up the dogs and our two houses and went trekking. Of course, I can write anywhere, so it was fine but.... ...it was a horrible ten years. We moved 6 times in 7 years. Made her very sick with stress-related stuff. I finally ended up here. My daughter now has a great job, lovely fellow who treats her like gold and she bought a house with an apartment over the garage waiting for me, but ... well, she's only an hour away in Connecticut and what I have here is quite convenient for me, and I have a lot of privacy for my work and Foxwoods is 15 minutes away when I just have to sit at a poker table and the Atlantic is 5 minutes away when I need the surf and the horizon. (when it isn't tourist season). I don't care for the Church here, and yowzer is it Catholic! But it's a kind of narrow, mean-spirited Catholicism that I never thought could exist. (We had Archbishop Chaput in Denver.) I am homesick every minute of my life.

Now all we have to do is figure out a segue to the actual thread topic.

I don't think so, have you ever seen his baby picture? He was a bruiser! I think the thing about aging is not that there is so much a discrete loss, as sort of sets of things that get kind of blunted. Like, we don't see as much peripherally and even if we do, our brains don't process as much complex information as quickly. We hear okay as far as range, maybe, but we don't discriminate sounds as well. Luckily, we have sagacity on our side!

Ah, thank you! And I will ask but it's one of those social situations where the person is a complete stranger and ... seriously, these things have always made me crazy. I've been buried in deadline work all day so I didn't get a chance to do what you said, but hearing that they identify the country has just given me more confidence. It's "Wooster." But there is this element of, well, there's an accent that is sort of Boston-ish? Cheddar becomes cheddah and Wooster Woostah. You get in the cah and drive not too fah to the bah. But it's a class thing here, actually. Sort of like in England. The more educated folks do pronounce those final "r"s. It's all new to me, I'm from Colorado. Brotten. Now at least I can say, " Hello, Mr. -- brotten, is that correct? " and feel like I at least have a good chance of getting it correct and pleasing the man. And if not, he'll know I tried. Well, I asked and you did all the work. Smaug is "smowg," BTW. The "ow" like in Ow! That hurts! In case you ever need to know.

I wish I could read where he said this, but I can certainly agree. The thing about my dedication to the ring as a clue is: I never heard it. My daughter, who watched the episode like once when it first aired, after I got interested asked me, "But what about when the phone rings when John gets knocked down?" Huh? So, a woman in her late thirties just heard it during the show and accepted it as a matter of course. Me, I had to go pay attention. But she's like that, a very acute observer. She's also the one who asked me, just from memory of watching the show like two years ago, why I thought Sherlock's bottle of pills only had one pill and the others all had more. They did? Yup. I think I'll go look at my own theories and see how many clues I have based ideas on that require free-framing the show.

Thank you, Carol, you are always so lovely and helpful. I now live in New England where we have a town spelled Worchester pronounced "wooster." This supports your suggestion to pronounce as few consonants as possible. OTOH, we have a river spelled THAMES which you can be socially ostracized for pronouncing any other way than it's most obvious phonetic spelling, or thaims. You sat the 'th' not just "t" and use the long "a". I would say either brotten rhymes with rotten, or broften, rhymes with often for American English possibilities. I will check out those links. My fear is I will learn the American way and the British way will be substantially different. I fear getting the wrong sound in my head and even when corrected, still saying it wrong. I think they call this social anxiety!

Hey it says "subjects which defy classification," right? I need some help. I need to know how to pronounce a last name of an English guy I haven't met. His last name is Broughton. I can think of two ways an American might pronounce this. Can any English posters give me clue? Here's a nice curlyBatch pic from Narita as a bribe:

Yes, the first ring is quite distinct, if a bit faint. But then we have the violins. I listen with headphones on the computer, and I believe the second ring is just distinguishable under the violin which is playing the same pitch and the third ring is so, well, ephemeral? Anyway, maybe I don't hear it at all! And I'm old, let's face it.

Thank you! Yes, now I get it. Okay, I have one more question. When you were there, was it before they started filming S3E1? I'm wondering if, because they film there intermittently during the time they shoot three episodes, they might have put the cross door in place and just left it, only changing the numbers in-between? Or - wait - did you say you'd heard or read that they gave them the door?

Okay, now. Bear with me because I am easily confused. Above is a picture of what I am going to call the "cross door" because of the pattern, from ASIB. This is when he goes home and finds the CIA guys. So, this is the same door from ASIP. The door in your pictures without the cross pattern, I'm calling the "plain door." Okay, so that's the two doors. Then we have your pictures which can be during filming or non-filming and we have screencaps. So, now - could you explain it to me again? (I'm sorry. When I work things out for myself, I often make diagrams.)

The transcript is not correct. He doesn't walk away at all and doesn't show anger. He says something a little indistinguishable I hear as "Oh, alright." He looks at the taxi driver and says clearly "Thanks a lot." His voice is calm at all times and simply he stands there while John gets into the cab, he speaks to the driver, the door slams and we cut back to the roof. You're right that there is always a cab just when they need one! But there isn't always a rather large man standing at the curb waiting for it who so easily allows his right to the cab to be usurped.

I have a theory that includes mirrors, but I replaced it with a theory that includes a laptop and a camera in the fauxSherlock.

Oh, I completely agree. After all, that's what we see on the new door: a pull handle. Or a "push/pull handle" I suppose. So, I wonder do they film the new door or swap it out with the old door for S3? What did your pictures show? (This fandom is getting really weird after all this time, isn't it?)