Is John's Friendship Making Sherlock a Better Man, Or...?

[Carol the Dabbler]

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[Amber§]

This topic is so intersting! I haven't seen it before (I wonder why)

 

I think that maybe John has started to take things for granted. Mary, his daughter....I think that in the first episode of s4 his behaviour was a bit bad.

But then, with the loss of Mary, I think he changed and really tried to become a better man. THIS made him a better man, even better than how he was in s1,2,3.

And I think that, now more than before, Sherlock really participated to John's pain and really suffered for him. s1,2,3' Sherlock wouldn't really have behaved like that.

[bedelia1984]

It is kind of hard to say how much effect Sherlock's friendship has had on John, when circumstances have not been kind to him either.

 

Sherlock seemed to be in favour of John staying with Mary, after her secret was revealed, sometimes even more so than John himself. When John was texting that other woman, he kept it secret from both Mary and Sherlock, suggesting he knew they both would be disappointed by his behaviour.

 

Then, of course there is Mary's death, and how much John blames Sherlock for that, leading to the TLD beating. However, seeing as Sherlock takes that beating as an act of friendship (however wrong it is that he feels obliged to do so), and John ultimately realises that Sherlock has endangered himself in order to save him from his misery, I suppose the friendship does ultimately have a strong redemptive power in John's life? And then by TFP, we see John regaining his old strength and proving his loyalty once again.

 

I don't think any of the bad things that John does in season 4 are because of his friendship to Sherlock.

[Arcadia]

This topic is so intersting! I haven't seen it before (I wonder why)

 

I think that maybe John has started to take things for granted. Mary, his daughter....I think that in the first episode of s4 his behaviour was a bit bad.

But then, with the loss of Mary, I think he changed and really tried to become a better man. THIS made him a better man, even better than how he was in s1,2,3.

And I think that, now more than before, Sherlock really participated to John's pain and really suffered for him. s1,2,3' Sherlock wouldn't really have behaved like that.

 

I don't know, sometimes when topics haven't been used for awhile they get hard to find again. I was actually looking for something else when I ran across this.

 

I remember thinking that John seemed to be taking Sherlock for granted at times too; but back in S3. He used to compliment Sherlock for being "amazing", but started to criticize him because he wasn't amazing. Things like that. I find all that rather normal, though. But I do understand why some people thought John wasn't being the best of friends back then.