Speculation: How Did Sherlock Do It?

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Ah, I see. Gotcha. Like "It was a dummy that was able to flail its arms and legs in the air" camp?

[bborchar]

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Ah, I see. Gotcha. Like "It was a dummy that was able to flail its arms and legs in the air" camp?

And the dummy was able to land on it's side facing the wrong way.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Right.  Or the "it was really him but he was so stoned on Rhododendron ponticum extract that he didn't need a Bouncy Castle" camp.

 

Of course, the more bizarre-sounding the theory, the more likely it is to be true!

 

[Julia Mae]

It seems to me that saying we've seen everything we need to know does not necessarily mean that we've seen everything that was involved, merely that we've seen enough to deduce the rest.

 

If the assassins could see Sherlock fall onto the Bouncy Castle, they could also see him shinny down the ladder or whatever. 

 

No, they couldn't have seen that because that ladder leads down into the enclosed courtyard.  You can't see into it from the street and it has limited and easily controlled access.  As I said, I'm not saying he must have done that, just that there are alternatives to leaping onto a bouncy house.   

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

  Oooo...so he pushed someone off the roof, then scampers down a ladder?  Oh well, Donovan did say that one day they would be standing around a body and it would be Sherlock Holmes that put it there.

[Julia Mae]

  Oooo...so he pushed someone off the roof, then scampers down a ladder?  Oh well, Donovan did say that one day they would be standing around a body and it would be Sherlock Holmes that put it there.

 

Nice connection! (But I think Molly pushed the body over - it echoes the Canon where Mrs. Hudson kept moving the wax Sherlock to make him look alive.)  The thing is, Sherlock has to get to the ground ASAP.  I think he does jump at some point, maybe even onto a bouncy house.  But not on that sidewalk where we find him later. 

 

Benedict Cumberbatch said at one point that he did jump from a roof, about four feet onto another roof.  I don't think he was giving much away, but that ladder could lead to another roof, a common configuration, that would be lower, something he could jump from with less risk, onto something arranged for him, to get to the courtyard, wait near enough to hear the phone ring and run for the sidewalk where the body that was seen falling is removed.

 

See, the problem with all these discussions is that the whole bouncy house thing came from setlock.  But it's considered kosher to bring up for some reason, probably because we are all savvy enough to realize that  BC and his stunt double had to fall onto something and have some kind of safety mechanism in place even if suspended on wires. 

 

But it doesn't allow us to bring in evidence from all the other setlock because of the spoiler issue.  Setlock really shouldn't be necessary to developing a theory.  But because everyone knows the inflatable exists, we can hardly avoid including it.  But setlock is misleading because we interpret what we see and can get it wrong.   The top of an inflatable often acts as a green screen when they want a scary effect.  The camera on the guy's head doesn't mean we are going to see him falling onto it.  Or, we might.  But there's no way to know that.

 

The truck was too far away, a body did hit the sidewalk, the ladder exists, as do the trees I've previously mentioned.  Sherlock is not standing on the edge of the roof talking to John when you look at the background.  Somebody, or "some body" did hit the sidewalk.  But that was Cumberbatch on the sidewalk when John gets there.  These are the things we can see easily.

 

We can also see that when they wheel Sherlock away, in the first view his arms are dangling like a good dead guy's would, but  when they disappear through the door, his arms are folded across his stomach.  Clue?  I think continuity error.

 

You know, this thread will be very interesting after S3E1 airs!

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

I've seen very little of setlock, and none of my comments (other than a few in spoiler boxes) come from it.  The term "bouncy castle" is from a gag post somewhere online, not from setlock.  The laundry truck (or whatever) is plainly visible in the episode, and that seems to be what got people thinking along those lines.  Even if it was too far away, they might have offloaded something from it for him to land on.

 

Something (possibly a body) hit the sidewalk.  And (just to be picky) the trees aren't there any more (though they were then, obviously).

 

 

 

You know, this thread will be very interesting after S3E1 airs!

 

Yup! 

 

[bborchar]

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I've seen very little of setlock, and none of my comments (other than a few in spoiler boxes) come from it. The term "bouncy castle" is from a gag post somewhere online, not from setlock. The laundry truck (or whatever) is plainly visible in the episode, and that seems to be what got people thinking along those lines. Even if it was too far away, they might have offloaded something from it for him to land on.

 

Something (possibly a body) hit the sidewalk. And (just to be picky) the trees aren't there any more (though they were then, obviously).

 

You know, this thread will be very interesting after S3E1 airs!

Yup!

I came up with a theory after I watched it...setlock only seemed to confirm it. If they do something different and unexpected, I would be fine with that. But it really seems to be a face-value thing, even with the spoilers.

[Julia Mae]

I've seen very little of setlock, and none of my comments (other than a few in spoiler boxes) come from it.  The term "bouncy castle" is from a gag post somewhere online, not from setlock. 

 

It came from Tumblr and was inspired by the setlock pics of something no one knew the name of.   But, I wasn't so much thinking of your posts, Carol, as that there is now a rather vocal contingent, and some very aggressive posting on forums to the idea that the whole thing is solved and no one else's ideas mean anything because of what's been seen in setlock.

 

I was mostly wanting to point out that making assumptions based on those pics might lead people astray and we still get to advance other ideas.

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

... there is now a rather vocal contingent, and some very aggressive posting on forums to the idea that the whole thing is solved and no one else's ideas mean anything because of what's been seen in setlock.

 

I was mostly wanting to point out that making assumptions based on those pics might lead people astray and we still get to advance other ideas.

 

I would definitely agree with your "leading astray" statement, regarding certain setlock pictures!      And who knows about the rest of them?

 

Fortunately, we're all grown-ups on this forum (even though some members are young in calendar years), so you're absolutely right, everybody gets to have their say here.  Of course we all have our own opinions, so we'll disagree sometimes, respectfully of course, but that's called a discussion!

 

[Julia Mae]

 

Fortunately, we're all grown-ups on this forum ....

 

Uhhhh...   sure... let's go with that idea!

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Sure, we're all adults, grown up and stuff....until someone stomps all over our pet theory, then....well...maybe...in some instances....not so much. :axe:

[Carol the Dabbler]

Yeah, it always hurts.  We spend hours perfecting our beautiful theory, and then five minute later, as you say, somebody -- who clearly doesn't understand it -- has stomped all over it.

 

But I still think of y'all as grown-ups.  Maybe one of these days I'll get there myself!

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

I'm sure you're a close second, Carol.....hopefully I'm not to far behind you.

[SH/LotR/Zelda Fan]

...I still have 8 years...EIGHT. LONG. YEARS. GRRRRRRRRRR!!! :angry: :cry:

[Loekie]

Has anybody noticed already that Mortiary said Sherlock had three friends but not mentioned Molly?

That means that Mortiary did not know that Molly and Sherlock were very close.

A strange detail in the last episode was that Molly had been dating Mortiary twice of more.

Mortiary would have thought that this would ruled out Molly as a confidant for Sherlock. Still that happened in a beautiful scene. Sherlock of course is so intelligent that he knows when he can trust someone or not - analysing the behaviour of someone - and he knew he could trust Molly even though she had dated Mortiary.

 

And he knew that the one who described herself as trustworthy - the journalist - was not trustworthy at all, and he was right.

 

The big question is what was the role of Molly in the rescue of Sherlock. Maybe Sherlock asked her to met Mortiary once more to get information he needed.

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

The big question is what was the role of Molly in the rescue of Sherlock. Maybe Sherlock asked her to met Mortiary once more to get information he needed.

 

    Sherlock could have, but in my mind, since Sherlock understood that Moriarty wanted him absolutely dead, he might have seen sending Molly into the enemy camp far to dangerous. Her strengths is in the field of dealing with dead people. He may have counted on her being able to make him look dead, or supply him with a body double.

[Loekie]

    Her strengths is in the field of dealing with dead people. He may have counted on her being able to make him look dead, or supply him with a body double.

 

 

 

That could also be the reason why Moriarty wanted to date Molly. They met three times.

 

Btw, here more about Molly and Moriarty: http://bakerstreet.wikia.com/wiki/Molly_Hooper

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

In this show, absolutely anything is possible. Hopefully we will get the full story in "The Empty Hearse".

[Loekie]

I did some clever thinking, forgive me for the stupid post of some days before.

 

Sherlock does at first very "stupid", so Moriarty sighs it's disappointing how Sherlock thinks and he is even berating him for dimwit etc.
Moriarty thinks he has Sherlock so far that he will commit suicide, but then Sherlock asks for privacy. And then starts to laugh. He does that to bring Moriarty to doubt and the tables will turn. Moriarty doubts indeed: "What have I overlooked?" Then Sherlock continues to ramp up its prevalence in Moriarty, and his plan succeeds, Moriarty is cornered and commits suicide.
Then it's a matter to set the assassins on the wrong foot.

The scene where Moriarty and Sherlock look each other in the eye: Sherlock says there that he is just like Moriarty. Basically the good is the evil one step ahead, because evil is one-dimensional and the good understands both good and evil. The moral of the story is that good will always overcome.
While Moriarty is three seasons working to have Sherlock Sherlock to commit suicide, Sherlock has finally a few seconds enough to let Moriarty commit suicide

With Irene Adler he did the same: she was the entire episode busy to dig him the worst of it and he needed just a few seconds to get her from super arrogance to complete desperation. He eventually saved her - probably only in his mind - because she had feelings for him.
Moriarty has no feelings, because he is the ultimate evil.

But why did Moriarty provided no rescue for himself? He had the gun with him so he did note that Sherlock could outdo him, reflected in his response: "what have I overlooked?" His henchmen who didn't do what he wanted, he threatened with skinning. Therefore no one was prepared to save him as Sherlock is saved. Therefore Moriarty is really dead.

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

As John had said a bit earlier, "Friends protect people."  And Moriarty had no friends.  I suspect that you're absolutely right, that was his downfall.

 

[bborchar]

He was suicidal and wanted to die anyway.

[Carol the Dabbler]

You really gotta feel sorry for the fellow, in a way.  Had he ever been really happy, or was "distracted" the best he could manage?

 

[J Chapman]

I wonder why no one has devoted more discussion to sherlock coming back as moriarty (at least to explain his absence) or the no less than 11 references to "the theiving magpie" in the last episode?

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Probably no one has discussed Sherlock coming back as Moriarty because no one would expect him to. He didn't in the canon, he was for ever solving crimes. As someone once said, maybe John, that committing crimes is boring and mundane. No matter how complex they may seem. It is in the solving of them that stimulates Sherlock.