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I think I'm in that camp too. :smiley: A thread along those lines could be started at any time in the "Miscellaneous Musings" forum, and would be quite interesting (I love Jane Eyre). Taking of Jane Eyre and Bertha Rochester, Jean Rhys did attempt to tell her story in Wide Sargasso Sea, which has also been dramatised for both film and TV (I've seen neither, and never read the book tbh).

Congratulations to Carol on being our first forum member to make 4000 posts! Time to celebrate!

Basically there are 2 points of view here, which can be boiled down to either pro-Mary or anti-Mary as it's Mary that seems to be the main bone of contention, not Sherlock or John (though their attitudes obviously come into it as well - but in relation to her not each other tbh). Thing is, neither of those points of view are necessarily wrong; they are matters of personal opinion. All personal opinions are equally valid, even if people don't agree about them. That is unless there is evidence to prove that opinion wrong (the earth moving around the sun, may be a possibly relevant exapmple). As was said by Evelyn Beatrice Hall (and wrongly attributed to Voltaire) "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". We have no idea where the writers are going to go with regards to Mary as they've already taken her to unexpected places. I am willing to give Mary the benefit of the doubt, I still like her for all she's a dangerous and manipulative person but then I like Sherlock too and he's also a dangerous and manipulative person (in a different way). We all see John in different ways because he is a multifaceted and complex character with a number of conflicting personality traits (which can't be easy for him to live with either). People might not agree with my comparing Mary to Sherlock, in fact they might really hate that I have done as they don't see them as anything alike or that Mary is worth being compared to Sherlock, but it is a personal opinion, so I'm entitled to make it. This has become a very interesting - if polarised to some degree - discussion. I don't agree with some of what has been said because it doesn't sit with my opinions and interpretation of what I've seen. But you know what? Tough on me. I might not like what is said, but that doesn't make it wrong... just different. As long as we remember to respect each other's opinions as valid, if different to our own, long may it continue!

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When John says Strand, I'm wondering if he means Aldwych, which was one of the stations known as Strand, though I think John means the Charing Cross Strand (that also has lost bits which were used in the episode along with Aldwych where the platform stuff was filmed). Aldwych is used a lot in media, has also recently been in Mr Selfridge and also another Sherlock-related production V for Vendetta. Funnily enough, none of the stations Sherlock mentions actually exist, or have ever existed, as London underground stations that I can find. http://underground-history.co.uk - another interesting link

A lot of my friends love them both. I don't watch either. I am liking the new Tomorrow People series, though.

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Legally, you can't carry a handgun in this country either without serious repercussions, amongst a bucket load of other legal inconsistencies in the show. This is all for dramatic license; time to get that hand wavy thing started, I suppose...

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I think it's a bit harsh to call it a "bogus marriage" though, as I do think we're intended to believe that it is something that Mary and John genuinely wanted (Mary for some possibly very dubious reasons in hindsight, as well as the more normal ones). Love is a bit of a weird thing, as we all know it is, 'a much more vicious motivator' and can be completely irrational. Will John trust Mary again? To a degree, possibly, but never fully and that will eat away at him (she did betray him and Sherlock after all). It doesn't mean he loves her any the less and I think Mary does love him, no matter what other motivators she might have had. I don't think it was just a marriage of convenience on her part. So, you have 2 people who love each other in some way at least - that does not make a bogus marriage. It ain't going to be a good marriage necessarily after all the fallout from HLV, but there are still elements in place that make it a genuine thing. Hate is the dark twin of love, though. So much as I still like Mary, it won't be a surprise if that (not bogus) marriage doesn't last.

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Handshake... I interpret John in that scene in almost the opposite fashion to you! I think I wrote a post about it somewhere... Found the posts - 622 and 624 in the HLV thread Personal opinion and what we read into things is so very varied and absolutely fascinating. The second point is one with which I completely agree.

1.) Female 2.) Yes to both. I read Sherlock fanfic specifically for a number of reasons - a.) because three ninety minute episodes every 2 years isn't enough Sherlock! b.) in general Sherlock fanfic is well written and thought provoking, even that which is set in very alternate universes. c.) I can read about things that are either not shown on screen or are only touched upon - fanfic is a good way to get back story (Harry Watson a good case in point). I write because I have to. I am a long time fanfic writer (since the late 1990s) and I get characters in my head who won't shut up (my recalcitrant muses) unless I let them get their story out there. I didn't start writing Sherlock fanfic until after S2 as until then, I didn't have a specific muse until one day John Watson decided he had a few things to tell me! A lot of my motivation for writing is the question "What if?" - it covers situations personal, emotional, geographical and very very random... 3.) Mostly Archive of Our Own (AO3) and Live Journal but also occasionally here on the Sherlock forum. I don't read on fanfiction.net unless I have a specific rec as I dislike the place (partly it's a personal thing as I have found that reviewers can be weird at best but also downright nasty) and the formatting sucks. 4.) (answering the the way I think you meant it, see Carol's reply re affect/effect) Yes and No. I am mostly a crossover writer and as such write for a niche audience so I don't get a lot of reviews anyway. If a review offers constructive criticism then yes, it might change the way I write. I am pretty good with grammar so don't generally need last minute corrections by review, an exception being with American syntax if there is an American character speaking (I'm a Brit). If I get a review that essentially tells me my stuff is rubbish and that would never happen to Sherlock, John et al then I ignore it. I usually have a specific world view and how the heck is anyone else supposed to see how I view the world in which I am writing? It's all a matter of opinion. Each to their own! 5.) I am what can be known as a multi-shipper. If I look at the series in just a general way, I don't necessarily 'ship' anyone, I just see the incredible deep and loving FRIENDSHIP that Sherlock and John have for each other, which is fine and I am happy with that. On a second and third watching I usually look at the series and characters in a different way, and then I am shipping people left, right and centre... have a list - John/Sherlock, John/Lestrade, John/Mycroft, John/Sherlock/Lestrade, Lestrade/Molly, Sherlock/Lestrade Mycroft/Lestrade Sherlock/John/Mary Irene/Anthea John/James Bond (told you I was a crossover lover) You did ask! My #1 thing with ships above all things is that I abhor the use of portmanteaux names (Johnlock, Mystrade et al) as I feel that it takes individuality away from the characters and promotes viewing them only in terms of their relationship with the person who forms the other part of the portmanteau name and turns them into some sort of weird subsumed being and not their own individual selves. Yes, it's probably an over reaction, but it's how I feel. 6.) I don't do RP 7.) If you look at the answer to the shipping question, you could assume that I was a slash reader. This would be a correct assumption. I have also written explicit Sherlock slash, with co-authors (and het, but you didn't ask about that). 8.) NO. Not ever. For Sherlock, they are essentially writing fanfic themselves anyway (of the ACD stories) and I don't think their twisty little brains are going to have any trouble coming up with plot lines all on their own. I also don't think the BBC in general should trawl fanfic for plot lines - fan service can go seriously wrong at times although a slight nod towards certain things can be amusing (or make fandom combust).

I look at the prices of some of those things and I just want to whimper in a corner quietly - John's WATCH cost more than I would consider spending on a CAR...

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