Favorite Scenes -- open ended

[Carol the Dabbler]

Exactly.  Or like discovering that ET hadn't really died.

 

Oh -- wait a minute ....

 

[Arcadia]

Didn't see any hugging/kissing before the Fall either, did we?

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Didn't see any hugging/kissing before the Fall either, did we?

 

No, of course not.  There was never any sign of affection of any sort  *rocks back and forth on her feet looking around up in the air whistling innocently as she remembers Sherlock's hug/kiss of Mrs. Hudson in S1.1*

[Arcadia]

Right, Sherlock only hugs people when he's NOT about to die....

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I did a mental review of his hugs & kisses and none are at any moment of impending death. The closest to that is Anderson's theory on how Sherlock survived in S3.1

[T.o.b.y]

Mycroft's presence bothers me in that scene, and I don't quite know why.  He pretty much has to be there for story-telling purposes; I assume Sherlock was technically in his custody from the time he was taken from whatever holding area to the time he got on the plane.  But somehow that little sniff at Sherlock wanting to say goodbye to John bothers me; I don't want the boys crying, but I want them to have a chance to say goodbye.

 

Funny, Mycroft's very existence bothers me, but here, not more than usual. Actually, less than usual, because it's always nice to see the big brother pull a face. Mark Gatiss plays that so well, the Mycroft-annoyance that always comes across to me as faintly tooth-ace related.

 

If Mycroft were a regular human being, with, you know, feelings of familial sentiment, one could suspect him of being jealous there. I mean, here his own brother, whom he has worried and obsessed about all their lives and who is possibly the only person in the world Mycroft comes even close to loving, is being sent to his death, and whom does he need a few minutes alone with to say a proper good-bye? Not Mycroft.

 

But since Mycroft is a human iceberg whose idea of enjoyment is watching the only person he cares about in the world being tortured and whose idea of mercy is to send that person on a fatal mission for MI6, I guess he's just displeased that the plane's take-off is being delayed.

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But since Mycroft is a human iceberg whose idea of enjoyment is watching the only person he cares about in the world being tortured and whose idea of mercy is to send that person on a fatal mission for MI6, I guess he's just displeased that the plane's take-off is being delayed.

 

 

Head canon accepted.   Darn it, Toby, now I'm going to watch that scene and think it's funny!

[Carol the Dabbler]

If Mycroft were a regular human being, with, you know, feelings of familial sentiment, one could suspect him of being jealous there. I mean, here his own brother, whom he has worried and obsessed about all their lives and who is possibly the only person in the world Mycroft comes even close to loving, is being sent to his death, and whom does he need a few minutes alone with to say a proper good-bye? Not Mycroft.

 

But since Mycroft is a human iceberg whose idea of enjoyment is watching the only person he cares about in the world being tortured and whose idea of mercy is to send that person on a fatal mission for MI6, I guess he's just displeased that the plane's take-off is being delayed.

 

 

You're saying you believe that Mycroft actually is what he claims to be?  More so than Sherlock, apparently -- but beyond that, I have no idea.

 

[sittything]

I think Mycroft has the same thing going on that Sherlock does, but to a lesser degree.  He goes around spouting about caring not being an advantage, and while he may not care about most people, I think he cares for Sherlock a great deal.   I dunno if he and Sherlock had some goodbye in private in HLV?  Maybe they're both in full avoidance mode in saying goodbye to each other?  But I still think Mycroft is very much prone to familial sentiment, at least where Sherlock is concerned.

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I think Mycroft has the same thing going on that Sherlock does, but to a lesser degree.  He goes around spouting about caring not being an advantage, and while he may not care about most people, I think he cares for Sherlock a great deal.   I dunno if he and Sherlock had some goodbye in private in HLV?  Maybe they're both in full avoidance mode in saying goodbye to each other?  But I still think Mycroft is very much prone to familial sentiment, at least where Sherlock is concerned.

 

It's difficult to get a full Mycroft/Sherlock dynamic from that scene, because there's a lot of potentially-unresolved stuff that's not there in the Sherlock/John/Mary good-bye.  Sherlock knows that Mycroft has kept him from rotting in prison in ignominy, but he also knows that Mycroft is sending him to an almost-certain death that could have echoes of Serbia.  (Nice bookends to the season, don't you think -- we open with Sherlock nearly being beaten to death, and we almost get to end that way.)  Even if both of them emoted like a couple of girls, I don't think we'd see them hugging and hanging on one another saying goodbye -- there's just too much going on there.

 

But even so, and even accounting for Mycroft being Mycroft, there's something about his behavior in this scene that puts me off.  That's why I kind of like Toby's tongue-in-cheek solution that he's worried about the plane not taking off on time; Mycroft does have this moment where his facial expression is impatient, and I want to ask him if we're making him late for a tee time or something, because even he can't be so dense that he doesn't think Sherlock should take a moment to say goodbye to his best friend, former flatmate, and crime-solving partner.

[Arcadia]

I think Mycroft has the same thing going on that Sherlock does, but to a lesser degree. He goes around spouting about caring not being an advantage, and while he may not care about most people, I think he cares for Sherlock a great deal. I dunno if he and Sherlock had some goodbye in private in HLV? Maybe they're both in full avoidance mode in saying goodbye to each other? But I still think Mycroft is very much prone to familial sentiment, at least where Sherlock is concerned.

I agree, and also Myc's just better at it ... pretending NOT to care, I mean. Or maybe it just matters more to him that he doesn't appear to care.

 

As much as I hate to admit to reading fanfics (why do I hate to admit it? Oh, I dunno, I guess because I think I'm supposed to have a life or something?) - ahem - anyway, I read one the other day that apparently was written just for me! Because it was perfect; it describes exactly what I want to think went on in Sherlock's mind after he shot CAM.

 

But I bring it up here because the second half of it is a neat exploration of the devious mind of one Mycroft Holmes, and it fits in perfectly with this current discussion. I don't know if I buy into it, and I'm not fond of the author's portrayal of Sherlock in this part, but as a picture of Mycroft it is just neat, neat, neat. And there's a brilliant twist at the end. No ... two!

 

If I've made you curious, here it is: Of Monsters. It's short. If you're glad that Sherlock shot CAM, skip the first part and go straight to Mycroft, do not pass Go.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

well written and more emotions.  I am an emotional person and Sherlock does not really help that any.  At least I'm willing to admit it.  I definitely would not make a good female Mycroft equivalent in any Sherlock Holmes adaptation.

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well written and more emotions.  I am an emotional person and Sherlock does not really help that any.  At least I'm willing to admit it.  I definitely would not make a good female Mycroft equivalent in any Sherlock Holmes adaptation.

 

I think Mycroft would be a blast to play, if I had any acting ability.  I totally get his desire to control public expression of emotion at all costs; he probably irritates me so much because I can see things about myself in him. (For those of you who like such things, I'm a Meyers-Briggs ISTJ.)

 

Gatiss is just a brilliant Mycroft, and I love the direction he's taken this character.  There's so little in canon about Mycroft, but Gatiss has incorporated what is there while making this character so much more alive.  This season, a lot of Sherlock's successful trajectory from a storytelling perspective I credit to what has been done with Mycroft.  So I do love the character.  Not that I'd ever tell him.  I'd pretty much just think it in private one day and assume he would pick up on the vibe if he needed to know.  

[SherlockedCAMPer]

It would definitely be fun to try to play, but I know my emotional expressions well enough that I'd probably be rubbish as well. I'd do better as Sherlock or Molly. Possibly even as Irene even though I wouldn't really care to play her part.

[Carol the Dabbler]

(For those of you who like such things, I'm a Meyers-Briggs ISTJ.)

 

 

Yet another Myers-Briggs "I" in the forum!  (For those of you who like such things, there's an entire thread on the subject.)

 

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Jess is our resident "E" while everyone else who has mentioned it seems to be an "I" if I remember correctly.

[Bendydoodle Cantaloupe]

 

 

 

I think Mycroft would be a blast to play, if I had any acting ability.  I totally get his desire to control public expression of emotion at all costs; he probably irritates me so much because I can see things about myself in him. (For those of you who like such things, I'm a Meyers-Briggs ISTJ.)

It would definitely be fun to try to play, but I know my emotional expressions well enough that I'd probably be rubbish as well. I'd do better as Sherlock or Molly. Possibly even as Irene even though I wouldn't really care to play her part.

 

Now, you see, I think I would make a good actress, but every time I hear my voice on a recording I just

 

[SherlockedCAMPer]

 

I think Mycroft would be a blast to play, if I had any acting ability. I totally get his desire to control public expression of emotion at all costs; he probably irritates me so much because I can see things about myself in him. (For those of you who like such things, I'm a Meyers-Briggs ISTJ.)

It would definitely be fun to try to play, but I know my emotional expressions well enough that I'd probably be rubbish as well. I'd do better as Sherlock or Molly. Possibly even as Irene even though I wouldn't really care to play her part.

Now, you see, I think I would make a good actress, but every time I hear my voice on a recording I just

 

Join the crowd. I talk with my nose to no end even after speech therapy. (Allergic rhinitis is no fun)

[Carol the Dabbler]

I talk with my nose to no end even after speech therapy. (Allergic rhinitis is no fun)

I thought that was just the typical Minnesota accent. 

 

[sittything]

I sound like I'm 12.  My voice is ridiculous, so there goes my acting career.... well, that and I can't act.  

 

 

[SherlockedCAMPer]

 

I talk with my nose to no end even after speech therapy. (Allergic rhinitis is no fun)

I thought that was just the typical Minnesota accent.

The MN accent is a little different than what I have although similar. I'm more nasally than is normal for the accent and I have a heavier Norwegian influence than many (3rd generation citizen who visited the 1st generation bi-lingual relatives twice a year or so) Then there is my aunt who has the "Fargo" accent although considerably milder than the movie.

[sittything]

And I love Mycroft, and Gatiss' portrayal of Mycroft.  Love, love, love.   I could gush all day about Mycroft Holmes.   

 

ETA:  Does Mycroft not have his own thread?!

 

 

[Boton]

And I love Mycroft, and Gatiss' portrayal of Mycroft.  Love, love, love.   I could gush all day about Mycroft Holmes.   

 

ETA:  Does Mycroft not have his own thread?!

 

Yes, we need a Mycroft thread if there is not one.  There's a lot of depth to that character that is begging for us to overanalyze.

[Carol the Dabbler]

The MN accent is a little different than what I have although similar. I'm more nasally than is normal for the accent and I have a heavier Norwegian influence than many (3rd generation citizen who visited the 1st generation bi-lingual relatives twice a year or so) Then there is my aunt who has the "Fargo" accent although considerably milder than the movie.

 

OK, gotcha!  And I'm jealous of you having those bilingual relatives.  Just about everyone in this area has been here for a few hundred years, so all the interesting parts wore off long ago.

 

And I love Mycroft, and Gatiss' portrayal of Mycroft.  Love, love, love.   I could gush all day about Mycroft Holmes.   

 

ETA:  Does Mycroft not have his own thread?!

 

Yes, we need a Mycroft thread if there is not one.

 

There isn't.  So please go right ahead!

 

[SherlockedCAMPer]

 

The MN accent is a little different than what I have although similar. I'm more nasally than is normal for the accent and I have a heavier Norwegian influence than many (3rd generation citizen who visited the 1st generation bi-lingual relatives twice a year or so) Then there is my aunt who has the "Fargo" accent although considerably milder than the movie.

OK, gotcha! And I'm jealous of you having those bilingual relatives. Just about everyone in this area has been here for a few hundred years, so all the interesting parts wore off long ago.

Unfortunately all of my bilingual relatives that I know of have passed. The last one was 98 & technically not a relative as her sister married into the family.