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I also miss the subtlety of S01&S02 , everything is a bit more in your face and obvious now.

I like that the inside of Sherlocks mind is so very humorous, the original Holmes was always laughing at everyone , this one in tab does too . I think all his opinions of the people in his mp are funny exaggerated takes on them.We can't really take it seriously , just enjoy it.

Sorry . I still dont think Mary hacking was real , the first time she did it the scene seconds before was Sherlock in the drugs den , and the second time in a hospital room . Both link up , one to find the crime and the next to find the grave and then dig it up.So , all in the mp. Sherlock says at TRF still not awake then , so Sherlock didn't wake at all until John said time to wake up , and Sherlock decided the way to do it was jump off TRF.Mr.Moff said on 5live yesterday , it was all in his head . So . :-# I think none of it was real.

Molly doesn't actually feel that way .Sherlock thinks she does, probably yes because she slapped him over drugs , and in the mp he is on drugs, so it makes sense Molly is angry again. If he took any real drugs , and Molly was on the tarmac , she would probably slap him again too.

Hmmm . Can anyone say for certain what was real and what was not ? We are still thinking the whole thing was in the mind palace. Conversations are confusing with people thinking parts were real.

lol inge Took me a while to find that . Think they are very much like a big family having a laugh when filming. Brett got very obsessive about Holmes which affected his health and thats a bit of a grounder for new actors taking on the role. So funny a clip though . Auction it on ebay hahahanha nice to see Mark taking the P of BC.

What specific thing inge ? - confused @ the comment.

Thanks for the link over Arcadia . TAB threads are impossible to find , needs its own section on the main forum. I agree the Mary in black is a sign she is unhappy John is off spending time and adventuring with Sherlock , she is mourning Johns absence. Possibly this is a reflection of how Sherlock feels about John spending time with Mary? The high arches comment is funny and again taken directly from Wilders film tplosh. Lots of references to that in TAB. I love that John kicks Moriarty of TRF , but it is a big divergence from canon. I do think it represents Sherlock finally understanding sentiment and love are not always a fatal mistake but can in fact be a reason for living and the thing that keeps you alive . Maybe a hint John and his other friends are behind the miss me message .

I think the scene with Molly was Sherlock realising that Molly was a little annoyed he only interacted with her in regards to work and was angry at him for not fancying her or noticing her as a female and potential girlfriend . Like the christmas party scene in 221b. That Watson notices and deals with these situations much better than Holmes is not surprising as women are Watsons area in Holmes mind . That Molly is not over Sherlock and christmas eve thing was reminded in S03 with the lookalike boyfriend. I think they can be friends and are considering the day they spent together investigating in HLV. At the comment on Irenes photo in the pocket watch , the pocket watch is a stand in for the mobile phone of Irenes Sherlock kept , and thats why it makes the same noise. Additionally the idea is taken from the opening of the private life of SH film where they find an almost identical watch and picture in the chest. A few scenes and lines in TAB are taken from that film . What do people think about John defeating Moriarty in SH MP means ?

A whole load of things here that make smile . http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/sherlock/251713/sherlock-34-things-you-might-have-missed-in-the-abominable-bride Sorry if it's been posted I couldn't see it. @thanksyou Carol for the tip on hiding posts.

Yes I think it's fairly obvious BBC Sherlock slammed the door on ACD canons face in the first episode. Rach German for....Slam. Idiots.

Sorry ..double post.

I agree Inge that morality does seem to have gone a little out of the window in the shspesh however the actual murders took place 100 ish years ago . Sherlock was attempting to solve the puzzle and used the people he knew as characters for the construct.One assumes the real criminals are long dead. It is ACD canon though , that when Sherlock sympathised with a murderess, he let her go with the '... I see no crime here line.. " a bit like Mary in HLV I suppose. By the by , I think that the crime was real and happened and was historically famous. That Sherlock knew of it..the mp victorian paper clippings were real..and it was perhaps in the book of historic cases he studied in TRF with the man that fake hanged himself...and that Moriarty , consultant criminal , also knew of it and based his..plan to take Sherlock down with him..on it . Thus the I.O.U was stolen from the brides You.... Probably Sherlock missed it because he was worrying about the earth going around the sun or maybe something else John said distracted him....

@my take on the Moriarty is that like the bride the Moriarty that shot himself in the head is dead , but that like the bride , Moriarty set it up in such a notorious and public way so that somebody else could use his name and reputation and become the next Moriarty / napoleon of crime .Also back in TGG and TRF the were clues that Moriarty was, like the bride , dieing anyway . Moriarty now seems to be a family or group and that is why Sherlocks final Q to mp Moriarty was 'what are you' . Moriarty is now like the ghost bride and could be anyone and a cover for more crimes etc. Think thats a scenario from a Rathbone film..... :-)

@the comment on Mary and Mycroft. My take was that Sherlock imagined a victorian Mycroft wouldn't be fooled into thinking women suitable for only domestic roles , like John , but would probably make use of them I.e to spy on Sherlock . I think the attitude /hints about MI5 Mary and Mycroft make Sherlock seem a bit bitter that either Mycroft did know and didn't tell him , or bitter that MI5/Mycroft were useless and didn't know. Cleverly remaing ambiguous and also addressing our own thoughts and suspicions here.

I saw it on Friday at the cinema and then again last night on Three. I loved it and thought it was hilarious and genius. I think most everyone at the cinema event ended up in the pub after talking it all out and getting drunk...it was just an awesome experience. Everyone there seemed very pleased and positive. Gives me hope for S04 as I was a bit meh with SO3. People did seem a little confused as to when Sherlock actually woke up from the mp ,but we concluded the first linked into the second and both were obviously so ridiculous , Mycrofts sentiment , super clever Mary , John storming off , and the skeleton bride rising...that the only actual non MP scene was the final wake up. Looking forward to reading everyone's comments and interpretations !

In the 39 Rathbone one theres a hatch lifted to release the hound from an underground pit / den area that Holmes get trapped in . But yes so many versions.

Yes do.Thankyou Pam scarlet claw was brilliant I couldn't work out how they were doing that invisible glowing man thing, and so many references. The best actor in the world! lol? So I have finished watching all of these now during my week off and Watson did grow on me quite a bit towards the end.Rathbone really was an exceptional Holmes.

Well tbh I am not really sure how I ended up defending the gay side of things lol..sort of the moment I mentioned I think its in the subtext everyone is like your imagining things or a crazy moon hoaxer or something , platonic only please...which is funny and irresistible! I do think its in the subtext for sure the arguments I have read are very convincing.I would like to read loudest... blog people mention it a lot but I cannot get it to ever load,I use a itablet mostly. I am also of the idea that a lot of the other stuff is more interesting .

I find the academic papers about it fascinating for example... http://joolabee.tumblr.com/post/120369020269 cointains so many things I never noticed.

Yes.I think it's also a reference to innocence. Moriarty wants to shake hands in hell with Sherlock , the iou on the apple is a reference to temptation , thats why he wants Sherlock to fall , the fall being a reference to the fall of man , and suicide being a sin , meaning Sherlock will go to hell like Moriarty. Faking it , messed this Sherlock as godlike walking with angels theme up , but shooting Magnussen and Sherlocks miraculous resurrection in HLV has fixed it. Oh god! SH -Not quite.

Arcadia. Fabulous comment. I agree.Why oh Why have they put all this gay subtext. @by the way bicycle is not reaching! If only you knew SoHo. Molly and Tom also makes me lol. Can't explain. Victorian london slang (molly house molly cant molly and tommy )and cockney rhyming slang and london gay culture doing bike tricks has an answer maybe.

Agree@Toby . Speculation is fun. The Q , is a good one tooo. Is it Important is Sh is gay...well no. Only a few people Do seem to get angry at the suggestion. Sherlock Holmes according to various sources is the most depicted icon in literature and film , it's beyond count and we all have faves. My fave is Vasily Livanov btw. Anyway apart from some manga I don't know of any depictions of a gay SH and for idk maybe almost 100 years some people have Speculated he might be gay. Some people say -there is nothing new under the sun- so a gay depiction of SH would be new, and in this dull world , new is always good. So after idk all these years of speculation and given the uncountable number of hetero SH , it might be time and interesting and Important to the history of SH , to examine the idea , of a gay Sherlock Holmes.

Arcadia yes I agree I don't see that at all in tplosh , what I said about the film is something MG has said several times.Sorry for not being clear. @ J P I agree they could be pheasants as I said. I have been to a fair few english country houses and pheasant shoots and also seen a lot of pheasant paintings beer matts plates teapots wallpaper etc etc .So yes. You can't probably go by colour. But it does bring parrots more to my mind, either way both fit , and three women witn bird wallpaper that seems representative. Maybe Molly has pheasants too. Shot ones. And the art on Andersons fireplace. You think the cast and crew drew them then ? Maybe. @Sherlock is a comedy programme that's only ever semi serious. Everyone that Sherlock knows , including his brother Mycroft , who is always right , suggest SH is gay and SH has never denied it . Why ? Agree with view that maybe asexual and very likely considers any sex convo worthy of only goldfish .

The writers have said he is not gay , did you forget they also said he is not straight, and that he's not asexual , because that would be boring.Mr Gatiss once reffered to Sherlock as a sexual volcano .They are obviously lieing about a few things. A few times though they have said this is version is an update of TploSh , in which Holmes falls in love with Watson and it's all, desperately unspoken..which is what we currently have. Thats a man who loves another man ? Is it only gay if theres sex? The only reason to say he is straight is canon , and by that method , you may as well claim Elementary Watson is a man.