Series 4 (and Special) Speculation

[Carol the Dabbler]

On the thread that you're quoting, I suggested that perhaps the can't-continue-for-awhile reason might be that Sherlock and John are not on speaking terms -- for whatever reason.

 

To which Tobe is gonna say yeah, but Sherlock could still go on solving cases by himself, to which I would reply true, but that would be a different show.

[T.o.b.y]

On the thread that you're quoting, I suggested that perhaps the can't-continue-for-awhile reason might be that Sherlock and John are not on speaking terms -- for whatever reason.

 

To which Tobe is gonna say yeah, but Sherlock could still go on solving cases by himself, to which I would reply true, but that would be a different show.

 

Sherlock and John not being on speaking terms makes for some great television, as we have seen with the beginning of series 3. That wouldn't make new episodes difficult at all, quite the contrary. (And John would come round again anyway. All it takes is a bomb on a subway car and some skilled acting on the part of his old friend. Also, Sherlock can't possibly treat him any worse than he's already done.)

[besleybean]

(Thanks.  Sorry, I forgot there was a separate speculation thread!)  

So that still leaves us wondering what Benedict meant by(and I paraphrase here)...because of how S 4 ends, it would be very difficult to go on from there, at least not for a while.

[T.o.b.y]

Well, my first guess is still retirement - Sussex Downs, bees, and so forth.

[besleybean]

That was one of my thoughts and it sounds lovely.  Wish I could join him there!

[bedelia1984]

Sussex Downs, bees, and so forth.

 

 

An idyllic and very early retirement!

 

Of course, if Janine is really part of the Moriarty family, those bees could be used for more sinister means.

 

I'm torn as to whether there is more to Janine than we what have seen. I would like to see her onscreen again. Did we ever find out how she and Mary got so friendly? Also, about Sussex, is there any chance that Sherlock ever revealed to her offscreen that this was his dream retirement scenario, that when she mentioned it it was a coded message or invitation?

[besleybean]

You know, I'm a right b---h.

I don't like seeing any females, anywhere near Sherlock!

Mary deliberately befriended Janine because she was CAM's secretary, Sherlock said that at the 221 B confrontation.

No I think Janine made Sherlock realise that he was expert at losing friends.

[bedelia1984]

Of course, thank you! The fact that she was CAM's secretary, and whatever it was he had on her, could prove interesting too.

 

I know Janine was angry when we saw her, but I wouldn't rule out her being able to at least be friends with Sherlock, she seemed a very 'all's fair in love and war' type. Plus, if CAM was torturing her, Sherlock set her free- might be worth a reward! I'm playing devil's advocate as I'm not a fan of the pairing.

 

But no women around Sherlock seems a shame, when BC has such great chemistry with most of the actresses on the show. 

[besleybean]

I know...but I tend to fall int to the 'Sherlock at least celibate ' camp...though it's a sexist view, because I would love to see him with a guy.

I mean I am not a Johnlocker, I know it won't happen in the show and I am cool with that.  I don't do fan fic etc... I don't even think he's shown as gay- just my personal, fantasy, you understand!

So I prefer seeing him say with his Mum, Mrs H, Sally and even Molly, none of whom I see as potential partners.

[T.o.b.y]

I don't think it's sexist at all. The original Sherlock Holmes was celibate; it's perfectly reasonable to see that as a central aspect of his character and wish for adaptations to let it be.

[besleybean]

Thank you.

:P

[bedelia1984]

I didn't think you were sexist at all! 

 

The most true to canon option is celibacy- but people sure do like to speculate around every other aspect!

 

As men go, I though he had more of a spark with Moriarty than with John. I think the way BC plays Sherlock is so ambiguous you could consider him either celibate or asexual or bisexual. Is he equally interested or equally disinterested, is the question? Sherlock has chemistry with both genders, and seems a strong candidate for someone who would be drawn more to the complexities of a person rather than to either sex in particular.

 

The biggest hint the show ever made was ASIB, in which I think the show really implied his being interested in women- and Irene Adler in particular. I have to say, I can see Toby's argument for the central aspect to his character being his celibacy right there- because I hated how it seemed to compromise his judgment when he was distracted by... other things, and not focusing on the fact he was about to be tricked.

 

I go back and forth on that, though, I like a bit a fallibility in a hero.

 

[besleybean]

I think Sherlock is very fallible and heroes don't exist!  ;)

[besleybean]

Sorry to answer my own post, but wondered if some may be interested in this.

It's just been posted on my old forum.

Back to speculation on the nature of episode twelve's title...

 

https://asherlockstudy.tumblr.com/post/153126347615/asherlockstudy-moulin-rose-i-dont-know-if

 

Having said that... where are they getting 15 episodes from for Benedict?

And yes I know TAB is really a full episode!

[bedelia1984]

Is the 15 from including Many Happy Returns, and then the original pilot? (and then the forthcoming 3, too?)

[besleybean]

Ah, I did think of the Pilot but forgot Many Happy Returns!

Anyway, what do we think?

I never really thought Mary would last the full series, to be honest.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Is the 15 from including Many Happy Returns, and then the original pilot?

Yup. Just go to IMDb's Sherlock page and click on Episode Guide. They list four episodes in S1 (including the pilot), three episodes in S2, four in S3 (counting MHR), and four in S4 (counting TAB).

 

And I suspect the reason why many people are listed only for E1 is that they're going by Setlock photos, just like the rest of us. IMDb is a member-updated site (like Wikipedia), so even though it's generally correct, it's hardly authoritative. They do not routinely have an inside track.

[besleybean]

True.

[besleybean]

Why has this thread reappeared in my notifications and I appear to be the latest contributor...nearly a week ago?!

Anyhow I was actually thinking of thinking of this thread when I woke and was kind of hoping it would pop up again.

Those of you who get to know me on here will realise I run through a plethora of theories and then alternate between plumping for one or another...

So today I am very much on the view of:  I feel S 4 is going to end with Sherlock somehow having to choose between saving John and saving Mary and from John's POV, he makes the wrong choice.

Well ok, either that or somehow John sees Sherlock as responsible for Mary's death.

[J.P.]

This appeared on Twitter https://twitter.com/Ruther2/status/799933296494997504

 

I checked at princestone.com, it's true. Of course it might be just a working title of the last episode, but…  :o 

 

Anyway, keep your shock blankets ready.

 

[besleybean]

If it is true then I predicted correctly!

[T.o.b.y]

If this really will be the last episode (for a while), the title would be very fitting, of course. I like it. I hope it's true.

[besleybean]

Well there has to be some reason they refuse to tell us!

[J.P.]

This also imply that the whole story could have to do with Jim. "Final problem" was in his line.

And, yes I have seen that prediction before.

Wondering now how Hartswood will react.

[besleybean]

A wall of silence?

Anyhow.

If it just means it really is the end of the Moriarty arc(which i thought we'd already had!), then this was always my concern...no villain could match Moriarty.

Yet I thought they'd done it with CAM.  I was so surprised they didn't keep him around for longer.

Was it that they HAD to get rid of him, to get Jim back?!