Speculation: What Would You Like To See In Series 3?

[Brainy]

About that marriage-thing.. just thinking.. how about Irene Adler marrying someone else (since she knows that Sherlock would never consent to or even think about marriage) and Sherlock being her best man? That could bring her back to the series *just teasing*

 

 

I definitely would love to see something about Sherlock's and Mycroft's childhood. I would like to know how they became who they are now.

 

Oh and I hope we'll see much of Mrs. Hudson. Maybe she could get a litte more involved in a particular case, either helping to solve it or as a hostage/involuntary middleman for some 'bad guy'.

 

By the way.. I hope it is 'middleman' in the female version as well. Never heard of 'middlewoman' *gg*

 

 

 

*edit* - Oh, and what do you think will happen between Sherlock and Molly? I mean all the lipstick and hair and clothing stuff Sherlock talked about.. then her present for Sherlock on Christmas.. all those things..

maybe they develop some kind of closer friendship (since she might be the one who has helped him with 'Reichenbach Fall')?

[Carol the Dabbler]

I read the sentence where you first used "middleman" in reference to Mrs. Hudson without thinking it was odd -- until I read your next sentence, which made me think! I believe "middlewoman" would be understood easily enough (in reference to a woman, of course). It's not a standard word, but English has a strong tradition of adding new words as needed.

 

I will be very surprised if Molly was NOT involved in Sherlock's plot! I do not expect to see a romance between them, but yes, a better understanding, more respect for her on Sherlock's part, and a growing friendship.

[SherLOCKED221]

I definitely would love to see something about Sherlock's and Mycroft's childhood. I would like to know how they became who they are now.

 

Yes! I wonder sometimes what happened that made these brothers hate eachother so much!

 

 

since she might be the one who has helped him with 'Reichenbach Fall'

 

Of course Molly had something to do with faking Sherlock's death!

Why else would he say 'I need you...'??

[Brainy]

Of course Molly had something to do with faking Sherlock's death!

Why else would he say 'I need you...'??

I know that she helped him fake his death.. I was only wondering whether they develop a closer releationship in terms of caring for/loving each other. I don't expect Sherlock to completely fall in love with her. But maybe he at least feels something for her (more than gratitude I mean). Something that let's him feel what a 'normal' relationship between man and woman could look like (either as friends or as partners).

 

Yes! I wonder sometimes what happened that made these brothers hate eachother so much!

 

 

That, and why they do not permit themselves to show any feelings.

 

I will be very surprised if Molly was NOT involved in Sherlock's plot! I do not expect to see a romance between them, but yes, a better understanding, more respect for her on Sherlock's part, and a growing friendship.

Yes, that's what I meant. And thanks for your opinion on 'middlewoman' I've never heard of it either, but it just came to mind. We don't have a female version for 'middleman' in German either.

[aely]

I want to see Lestrade and Mycroft meet each other. I love the characters, even if I'm not a Mycroft/Lestrade fan and I think it's criminal we haven't had them onscreen at the same time!

 

I can just see them stalking around each other, metaphorical hackles raised.

[SherLOCKED221]

It’s only that you said 'might', sorry for the confusion. As for Sherlock and Mycroft's past, I think we all want to know what happened there! Was it really as simple as breaking his toys (like John said?) or was it something more...intriguing. Most brothers hate each other over girls, but I find that unlikely (unless this detachment was cause by a broken heart?) So maybe it was REALLY personal? Family related? They mentioned a mother but have yet to mention a father? Maybe Sherlock blames Mycroft for his father's (possible) leaving?? Or his father's death? I'm just speculating here but isn't that what this section of the forum is for??

[Brainy]

No problem. I only said 'might' because we can't be 100% sure yet (although it is pretty obvious).

 

Yes, I also think something really bad must've happened in the Holmes family. As you've said.. they mention 'mummy', but never a dad. Maybe Mycroft and his mother had a close relationship (remember Mycroft playing 'mummy' when serving tea in Buckingham Palace). And Sherlock probably was closer to his father. Something might've happened to him which lead to Sherlock feeling excluded and alone. And small kids can be horrible to each other..

[Carol the Dabbler]

Yes, I also think something really bad must've happened in the Holmes family. As you've said.. they mention 'mummy', but never a dad. Maybe Mycroft and his mother had a close relationship (remember Mycroft playing 'mummy' when serving tea in Buckingham Palace). And Sherlock probably was closer to his father. Something might've happened to him which lead to Sherlock feeling excluded and alone.

 

I believe Moftiss have hinted at a bit of backstory where the father had an affair. Whether or not that lead to an actual divorce, it may have caused an awful rift in the family, to the point where both sons still refuse to recognize their father's existence.

 

Oddly, I've had the impression that it was Sherlock who was Mummy's favorite -- or at least that he was raised as a spoiled brat (and still is one, to some extent).

 

As the elder son, Mycroft may have felt it his duty, after his father's departure (or disgrace), to become the "man of the family," and therefore responsible for Sherlock's welfare. His statement, "I'll be Mother" is, I believe, a standard British expression meaning "I'll pour the tea," and Sherlock's sarcastic reaction to it may not be intended literally, but simply as an expression of his irritation at Mycroft's assumption of a quasi-parental role.

 

All that is conjecture, of course!

[SherLOCKED221]

That's what this section is for, as I've already said!

 

An affair? That seems off par to me, however this could have lead to Sherlock and Mycroft hating the opposite sex for splitting up their family.

 

If this affair were to have happened than their father must have been head strong and a slave to his emotions. This could have lead them to believe that emotions are bad therefore they might have taught themselves not to have them (or avoid acknowledging their feelings)

[Brainy]

"I'll be Mother" is, I believe, a standard British expression meaning "I'll pour the tea," and Sherlock's sarcastic reaction to it may not be intended literally, but simply as an expression of his irritation at Mycroft's assumption of a quasi-parental role.

 

 

Thanks for pointing that out! I didn't know that it was a British expression.

Yes, you could be absolutely right. Mycroft having to take over the role of the (missing) father sounds logical to me. That would explain, as SherLOCKED221 already pointed out, the hatred for the opposite sex.

But what happened to their parents? Are they alive? Do Sherlock and Mycroft visit them from time to time? Are they in contact at all? I think that would be interesting to know.

 

If this affair were to have happened than their father must have been head strong and a slave to his emotions. This could have lead them to believe that emotions are bad therefore they might have taught themselves not to have them (or avoid acknowledging their feelings)

 

That's a good point.

[Carol the Dabbler]

An affair? That ... could have lead to Sherlock and Mycroft hating the opposite sex for splitting up their family.

Or just hating sex altogether, and romance, etc. Or, come to think of it, if their mother had become bitter about men in general (and their father wasn't around to defend his gender), they may in some sense hate men -- and therefore themselves. Ouch!

 

If this affair were to have happened than their father must have been head strong and a slave to his emotions.

 

On the other hand, we have no idea what his home life with Mummy had been like, or what his specific alternative was. Emotions can be very powerful.

 

This could have lead them to believe that emotions are bad therefore they might have taught themselves not to have them (or avoid acknowledging their feelings)

 

I think you're right about them refusing to acknowledge their feelings, perhaps even to themselves. I don't think John applied the name "Spock" only because of what Sherlock was saying at the time -- I suspect the impression had been growing for quite a while, but John didn't say anything until he started to lose his patience.

 

But what happened to their parents? Are they alive? Do Sherlock and Mycroft visit them from time to time? Are they in contact at all? I think that would be interesting to know.

 

Good question. Near as I can recall, they've never even referred to their father, so he's presumably either dead or estranged from them.

 

They did once refer to Mummy (at the end of "Study in Pink"), in the past tense -- though that could have been simply because they were talking about their childhood at the time. Or perhaps they don't see her much any more. (Mycroft's house may well be the ancestral home, and there's no sign of Mummy there.) She may have retired to France, or moved to a condo or a nursing home. Or she may have died. In any case, I don't believe they're estranged from her.

 

Can someone think of other clues?

[SherLOCKED221]

Not at the moment however,

If Sherlock's/Mycroft’s mother and or father is still alive I don't believe they visit regularly (if at all!)

It's likely that the father is dead or at least in the wind, and the mother (if not dead) is probably out of reach/touch.

[besleybean]

Just wanna see TheReunion, I care about nothing else!

[SherLOCKED221]

Beasleybean, do you mean the Reunion of John and Sherlock, if so I am with you! I really do want to see what happens and how they react!

[Carol the Dabbler]

Me too! Though I wouldn't mind having my head messed with a just bit beforehand (seeing them almost bump into each other, seeing Sherlock managing John's life from behind the scenes) just to whet my appetite as it were. Admittedly, if my appetite were any sharper right now, I'd be picketing the Hartswood offices. But being teased during the reunion episode itself -- when I know I don't have much longer to wait -- would be very enjoyable (in a masochistic sort of way)!

[besleybean]

I've had a few different scenarios running in my head, both about John constantly ' seeing Sherlock' and how the Reunion would actually happen. Tho i think the most likely is Sherlock emerging to save John's life...

[Carol the Dabbler]

Oh, good one -- John gets little glimpses of Sherlock, but thinks he's "seeing things." He won't allow himself to believe his own intuitive feeling that Sherlock is still alive (which he's had since the cemetery scene), because he's too sensible to consider it anything but wishful thinking. (Would love to see him become a bit more open-minded, but perhaps right now isn't the best time!)

 

And you're right, if John's life were threatened, and Sherlock could save him only by revealing himself (at least to John, as in "The Empty House"), then he'd do it. The whole point of being "dead" was to save John's life, so no point in persisting if John needs him alive.

[SherLOCKED221]

Sounds good! Would love to see it! Although I am currently a fan of John punching Sherlock (maybe breaking his nose!) but I'm all for a good teesing!

[Carol the Dabbler]

I'm starting to favor a punch myself. John would probably be instantly appalled by his own behavior, but at least he'd be able to set Sherlock's broken nose -- and, hey, I've been wanting to see more of John-as-a-doctor!

 

 

One other thing I suspect we'll see is some vaguely Easter-morning imagery, continuing from the self-sacrifice theme (and the Sistine Chapel moment) in "Reichenbach." Or am I just seeing things?

[aely]

I'd rather see a punch than have John fainting as happens in ACD canon. It's something I always have trouble getting my head round - why would a doctor end up fainting? Especially one who had been in the army and who will have seen some pretty horrible things.

 

I think this is even more true for OUR John. Startled - yes; to the point of needing to sit down even, but I don't think he'd go spark out.

 

TBH if there was a punch, I'd want it followed up by a hug.

[chironsgirl]

I have read some good fanfic that brings out John's talents and skill set. I love BAMF! John! Hopefully the new BBC season will let John's inner soldier loose on the criminal element of London. After all, with Sherlock "dead", Lestrade will have to bring cases to John. Right?

[Carol the Dabbler]

Will Greg Lestrade have any cases this time around? He was last seen being chastised by his superior. Maybe John can help clear Greg's name, then the two of them can work together to clear Sherlock's name. They seem to have a good rapport, so could probably work well together.

[aely]

I think John and Greg would work really well together, and become good friends. I really want more of Lestrade, I think he's such a good foil for the other two.

 

If you were that way inclined you could believe that Greg and John would become more than friends.

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

I don't see John fainting at all but I wouldn't be surprised to see a whole lot of shouting, actual violence? Maybe, Holmes did tell Watson in the canon that his appearance at 221 Baker Street sans disguise threw Mrs. Hudson into "violent hysterics". I want to see Anderson and Donovan get their come upence for their part in getting Sherlock accused of being a fraud and getting him arrested. The same for Kitty.

 

I can also see John and Lestrade working together to clear Sherlock's name.

 

Moffat and Gatiss has made a tease about Sherlock being "invisible" on his return, hiding in plain sight. They have been pretty adamant about their Sherlock not wearing fake noses and such.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I agree on the "whole lot of shouting." I believe Moftiss have hinted about a string of swear words -- though they'll need to choose them carefully if they want that scene to make it onto PBS!

 

Glad about the "no fake noses" thing. Those scenes in the Guy Ritchie movies inevitably come across as kind of humorously unrealistic -- which works fine in those movies, but I don't think it would feel right in Sherlock.

 

And aely, I agree -- more Lestrade in the show!