Shoot the Wall (A.K.A. The Rant Thread)

[Artemis]

For that matter, I wonder why people stopped celebrating all of Hallowtide.  I mean, obviously there's still All Hallows'/Saints' Eve, but what happened to All Hallows'/Saints' Day (aka Hallowmas) and All Souls' Day?  I don't think they're widely known anymore.

Did you know that the longest night of the year is also an Advent holiday called Blue Christmas?  Or that Groundhog Day is also Candlemas, the last feast of Christmastide, and, for some, the day when Christmas decorations are traditionally taken down and put away?  Holidays are interesting...

 

[Pseudonym]

5 hours ago, Carol the Dabbler said:

By the way, there have always been 100 cents in a dollar (where "always" = something over 200 years), whereas I assume you know that before about 1970, a pound consisted of 20 shillings, and a shilling consisted of 12 pence.

I'm vaguely aware yes, but since I wasn't born it's not of much importance to me.

 

[Artemis]

A video on historical Michaelmas.

 

 

[Artemis]

5 minutes ago, besleybean said:

'Catholic'holiday?!

It's a Christian festival...not only Catholics have Advent calendars!

Isn't it only acknowledged by Catholic Christians?  What other denominations recognize it?  Sorry, I'm uneducated on that subject. 

 

[besleybean]

Apparently so, ha!

Well I live in Presbyterian Scotland and they certainly all have Advent calendars!

Makes me laugh, tho.  I remember one of the said presbyterian Scots telling me that Good Friday was a 'catholic' holiday.

I had to stop myself saying: why?  Didn't Jesus get crucified for the rest of the Christians!

[Artemis]

I was raised Baptist; Baptists don't have an Advent calendar, or Epiphany or Lent, or any of the other things that I'd always heard called 'Catholic holidays' (never met anyone who wasn't Catholic who celebrated them, either).  We had Christmas and Easter, basically.  Good Friday and Palm Sunday were thought of, but we didn't do anything special for them, unless there was a Passion Play.

 

[besleybean]

Now Passion Plays are totally Catholic!

[Artemis]

Naw, other denominations do those too (sometimes it's just called an Easter pageant, but it's the same thing).  At least here they do.  Maybe it's just different other places.

 

[besleybean]

Sorry, I was being a bit facetious.

I mainly know them from the York mystery plays.

Anglican England...though of course we were all catholic first.

A little fact I enjoy telling all of my Scotttish school kids, too:

you kow we were all Catholic once!

[Carol the Dabbler]

29 minutes ago, Artemis said:

Groundhog Day is also Candlemas, the last feast of Christmastide, and, for some, the day when Christmas decorations are traditionally taken down and put away?

Really?!  That's when Alex and I have been turning off our Christmas lights, because it's sort of the beginning of the end of winter and the days are getting noticeably longer.  I never knew it was traditional!

[Artemis]

14 minutes ago, besleybean said:

A little fact I enjoy telling all of my Scotttish school kids, too:

you kow we were all Catholic once!

Baptist origins are debated, I remember hearing it discussed when I was little.  Some people (including my dad) think that Baptist churches and/or practices have existed since the time of Christ and were basically their own thing, instead of arising as an offshoot of Protestantism.  There are some other denominations with the same view.  I have my doubts, but I don't think there's much evidence either way, so who can say.  And to be perfectly honest, it's not all that important to me how it came about, anyway.

 

[Pseudonym]

Religious discussions, why do you follow and torment me so?

[Carol the Dabbler]

21 minutes ago, Artemis said:

Baptists don't have an Advent calendar, or Epiphany or Lent, or any of the other things that I'd always heard called 'Catholic holidays'

I think those holidays are celebrated primarily by the Catholic Church and others that are offshoots of it -- Lutheran, Anglican, Episcopalian, Methodist, etc.

[Artemis]

It's bound to come up when holidays do, lol.

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

You and Arcadia could start a no-shoes-no-religion thread. 

 

[Pseudonym]

I just think there should be a religion thread where the religious discussions live, like the political thread. However I don't want my name on it so I don't want to start it. If Christmas movies got moved to their own thread surely religion should also have it's own thread?

[Artemis]

14 minutes ago, Carol the Dabbler said:

I think those holidays are celebrated primarily by the Catholic Church and others that are offshoots of it -- Lutheran, Anglican, Episcopalian, Methodist, etc.

I wondered.  I've been to Lutheran and Episcopalian churches, but I heard no mention of them there, so I never knew that was the case.

 

[Artemis]

2 hours ago, Pseudonym said:

I just think there should be a religion thread where the religious discussions live, like the political thread.

Not all political discussions take place in the political thread, though.  The Kavanaugh discussion and the gay wedding cakes thing (which was as much a political discussion as it was religious, I think) were both in this thread.  Carol would be busy all day long if she moved a discussion to its proper thread every time we went off on a tangent, lol.  (I know because I said something once when I was confused why we were talking about movies in a non-movies thread, lol.)

 

[Van Buren Supernova]

7 minutes ago, Pseudonym said:

I just think there should be a religion thread where the religious discussions live, like the political thread. However I don't want my name on it so I don't want to start it. If Christmas movies got moved to their own thread surely religion should also have it's own thread?

I have my religious thread already, the one with plenty of Khansssss.

[Pseudonym]

2 minutes ago, Artemis said:

Not all political discussions take place in the political thread, though.  The Kavanaugh discussion and the gay wedding cakes thing (which was as much a political discussion as it was religious, I think) were both in this thread.  Carol would be busy all day long if she moved a discussion to its proper thread every time we went off on a tangent, lol.

Not all of them do no because you can't swap thread mid-conversation, but when people want to get in depth that's the place. And yes, the gay wedding cake discussion was also the one that ended up being about religion and various people's beliefs, which I did my best to stay out of but still springs to mind more than I would like.

[Artemis]

2 minutes ago, Pseudonym said:

And yes, the gay wedding cake discussion was also the one that ended up being about religion and various people's beliefs,

I actually thought the wedding cake discussion was more about legality than religion, but I understand what you mean.

 

[Pseudonym]

It began more about legality, yes. Then it skewed into 'sinner' territory. 

[Carol the Dabbler]

Obviously it's a matter of personal interpretation as to where talking about religion ends and "Sunday school" begins.  I started the political thread because I thought an equivalent line had been crossed, and I was uncomfortable with the implication that all good people should have certain specific political beliefs.  I don't see the current discussion as particularly equivalent, but rather in the "about" category.

I do agree that we mods have become more relaxed about keeping discussions separate, but, as has already been said, it's often difficult to pinpoint where one topic leaves off and another begins.  The Christmas movie discussion had an unusually clear-cut beginning, so I took the opportunity -- not because it was somewhat about religion, but because it was clearly off-topic.

[Pseudonym]

11 hours ago, Carol the Dabbler said:

Obviously it's a matter of personal interpretation as to where talking about religion ends and "Sunday school" begins. 

I suppose that is exactly what makes me uneasy, I'm always on guard waiting for it to cross into 'Sunday school' territory.  I'll just unsubscribe from this thread for a while so I'm not getting the emails.  

[Artemis]

You don’t have to do so on my account.  I’m done unless someone else responds to one of my posts (or makes mention of something else religious that gets my wheels turning   ).  Sorry if I’ve bothered you.