Molly Hooper

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16 hours ago, Hikari said:

Absolutely . . Ben the consummate performer really comes to life in front of an audience.   The voice is like melted chocolate.  If I were blind, I'd still be a Cumberb*tch. 

Someone said his voice is like fine wine and dark chocolate. The metaphor is truly perfect. 

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I've also heard his voice described as a jaguar in a cello that then had Jaguar asking him to do commercials for his cars at least on the East side of the pond.

[Hikari]

7 hours ago, SherlockedCAMPer said:

I've also heard his voice described as a jaguar in a cello that then had Jaguar asking him to do commercials for his cars at least on the East side of the pond.

Have you heard them?  He makes words like 'chassis' and 'computational fluid dynamics' positively pornographic.  How about a '5-liter supercharged engine'?  Yes, please.

Actually as it wears on it seems like Jaguar might be taking the p*ss with some of Ben's script.  Giving him lines like "the aluminium monocoque chassis is strong and rigid.'  I barely understand a word of this and I do not care.

"Jag-yew-ah" is funny. 

 

 

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8 hours ago, SherlockedCAMPer said:

I've also heard his voice described as a jaguar in a cello that then had Jaguar asking him to do commercials for his cars at least on the East side of the pond.

Jaguar in a cello... good one. 

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Speaking of Molly Hooper, I'm rather frustrated that we've never gotten a Molly Hooper funko pop (or any of the other women for that matter).  I'm still annoyed that their first release only included Irene Adler.

[Carol the Dabbler]

5 hours ago, Hikari said:

'Jag-yew-ah" is funny.

Sorry to go off off-topic, but I am reminded of some commercials that Patrick Stewart did for Pontiac some years back.

In the first one, he pronounced the name of the car as a veddy British "Pawn-tyack."  But then someone apparently gave him American lessons, because in the next one it was just an ordinary "Ponty-ack."

Gee, I wonder if Molly Hooper has ever ridden in a Pontiac?

[Carol the Dabbler]

5 hours ago, sittything said:

I'm rather frustrated that we've never gotten a Molly Hooper funko pop (or any of the other women for that matter).  I'm still annoyed that their first release only included Irene Adler.

Yeah, no offense to Irene, but she isn't even one if the regular characters, barely a recurring one.

Maybe we could get a Molly figure if she did an episode wearing only her lab coat?

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Have you heard them?  He makes words like 'chassis' and 'computational fluid dynamics' positively pornographic.  How about a '5-liter supercharged engine'?  Yes, please.
Actually as it wears on it seems like Jaguar might be taking the p*ss with some of Ben's script.  Giving him lines like "the aluminium monocoque chassis is strong and rigid.'  I barely understand a word of this and I do not care.
"Jag-yew-ah" is funny. 
 
 

Yes I did a few years back.

How about Molly in a Jaguar with Sherlock as a teaser for the next installment of Sherlock. I realize that it could take a few years but that’s ok.

And agreed we need a Molly Funko. Don’t know where I’d put her as my Funko shelves are a touch full.

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On 6/19/2018 at 8:36 PM, Carol the Dabbler said:

Yeah, no offense to Irene, but she isn't even one if the regular characters, barely a recurring one.

Maybe we could get a Molly figure if she did an episode wearing only her lab coat?

But Irene is one of the most famous SH characters in general while Molly exists in this version only. 

[Carol the Dabbler]

8 hours ago, bronzeblues said:

Irene is one of the most famous SH characters in general while Molly exists in this version only

Quite true.  But in canon, Irene is limited to only the one story.  Her fame stems more from being used as Holmes's love interest in many adaptations.  In that regard, the Irene in Sherlock is truer to the original.

And Molly is a more major character in Sherlock, which is the adaptation that we were discussing the figures available for.

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On 6/28/2018 at 6:54 AM, Carol the Dabbler said:

Quite true.  But in canon, Irene is limited to only the one story.  Her fame stems more from being used as Holmes's love interest in many adaptations.  In that regard, the Irene in Sherlock is truer to the original.

And Molly is a more major character in Sherlock, which is the adaptation that we were discussing the figures available for.

I know this will probably get me heavily downvoted but good grief, sometimes I just think Molly fans see their favorite as more important than she actually is. Yeah, she was in majority of episodes but does that really make her such a major character? While her role ultimately was bigger than originally intended I don't think she's as important to Sherlock as some like to think. A delusion about Sherlock being a better man than he is probably has something to do with that. While he behaves better around Molly gradually over time he is still is far too "out there" to truly appreaciate and like(in a platonic way) someone like Molly. 

[Carol the Dabbler]

Speaking as one who is neither specifically a Molly fan nor a Sherlolly shipper, just a Sherlock fan, I would first say that there are only two main characters, and we all know who they are.

Then there are two categories of secondary characters, those who are heavily featured in one or two episodes (but only brief mentions after that) and those who may never be the focus of a story but are more enduring.  Clearly Irene is one of the former and Molly is one of the latter.    Both are important.  But I feel that the continuing characters are a more integral part of the overall show.

[sittything]

I think it's great Irene and Moriarty got Funko Pops.  They're iconic characters from the books and integral to the story, but I would have liked to have seen more of the recurring characters, specifically maybe more of the women of Sherlock, although Lestrade would be great too.  Obviously, I'm biased and if I had to pick, I'd want a Molly Pop first as she's right up there with Sherlock and Mycroft for me, but, IMO, Mrs. Hudson, Molly, Lestrade, and Mary are all deserving of Pops.

[sittything]

7 hours ago, bronzeblues said:

I know this will probably get me heavily downvoted but good grief, sometimes I just think Molly fans see their favorite as more important than she actually is. Yeah, she was in majority of episodes but does that really make her such a major character? While her role ultimately was bigger than originally intended I don't think she's as important to Sherlock as some like to think. A delusion about Sherlock being a better man than he is probably has something to do with that. While he behaves better around Molly gradually over time he is still is far too "out there" to truly appreaciate and like(in a platonic way) someone like Molly. 

I realize she's not Sherlock or John Watson, and certainly the show could have existed without her, but she's important to me.  Same with Mycroft.  

While I would agree that I think it's totally logical for people not to ship them or see anything romantic in their interactions, I would disagree that he didn't like Molly.  Obviously, his relationship in the show with her is never portrayed in the same manner or with as much time devoted to it as his relationship with Watson (as it should be.... this is Sherlock, after all).  But my takeaway from the show was that we were shown that deep down, Sherlock was a man very much capable of emotions and loving and caring for those around him.  Time and time again he showed his devotion to his friends (in a sense his family) in wanting to keep them safe.  And I don't think Molly is excluded from that group.  She made the mistake of thinking she was and he corrected her on that.

[Arcadia]

I agree that the term "major character" doesn't seem to fit Molly. But the term "recurring character" does, and I imagine some fans become as fond of the interplay between the whole ensemble as much as they do any one character in particular. And a lot of us just relate to Molly, which makes her important to us.

All of the other characters are used to illuminate Sherlock, though, so in that sense none of them are major characters, not even John, imo. Except in the first episode, where he's practically the main character. I think a little of that lingers into TBB. But after that I think he becomes mostly a foil for Sherlock, with fewer independent scenes. And in S3,  he practically disappears.   

Until TLD. He almost dominates the stage, there. Hmmmm ….. this may be another reason why I lean more towards Moffat's scripts, in spite of his bombastery … he's written some of the best scenes for Dr. John Watson. All the way through ASiP; his confrontation with Irene in Scandal; his "confession" scene in TLD; all stand out to me as moments when John really "stole the show", so to speak. Interesting. I think Moffat really "gets" their relationship. Or maybe it's just that I relate to his take on it more.

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I was always more of a fan of a "show, don't tell" approach. And the whole "You do count" thing was heavily in the "telling and not showing" category if you ask me. Sherlock is downright mean to Molly at Christmas gathering and that is coming from someone who is irritated with all the fawning over an idea that Sherlock deep down has a heart of gold and wouldn't want him to have it. There's no Molly in the next episode and in TRF she appearently always "counted". When exactly, if I may ask.The last time we saw her she was in a morgue after that awful Christmas evening.

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9 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

I agree that the term "major character" doesn't seem to fit Molly. But the term "recurring character" does, and I imagine some fans become as fond of the interplay between the whole ensemble as much as they do any one character in particular. And a lot of us just relate to Molly, which makes her important to us.

All of the other characters are used to illuminate Sherlock, though, so in that sense none of them are major characters, not even John, imo. Except in the first episode, where he's practically the main character. I think a little of that lingers into TBB. But after that I think he becomes mostly a foil for Sherlock, with fewer independent scenes. And in S3,  he practically disappears.   

Until TLD. He almost dominates the stage, there. Hmmmm ….. this may be another reason why I lean more towards Moffat's scripts, in spite of his bombastery … he's written some of the best scenes for Dr. John Watson. All the way through ASiP; his confrontation with Irene in Scandal; his "confession" scene in TLD; all stand out to me as moments when John really "stole the show", so to speak. Interesting. I think Moffat really "gets" their relationship. Or maybe it's just that I relate to his take on it more.

Honestly, I think that's more of a case of Freeman stealing the show with his acting not John as a character overshadowing everyone else. The one complaint I saw more and more over time is just how little agency the good doctor actually has in this show and I'm glad people caught onto that. Seemed to me that in most scenes he was there to gape at sheer awesomeness and brilliance of Sherlock Holmes. In fact when in TFP Mycroft says John is just another goldfish Sherlock wanted to dazzle with his cleverness it's like writers themselves were aware they didn't do a whole lot with John. I probably wouldn't even notice that if there were compelling or at least decent mysteries in every episode but since there weren't... other flaws just become ore obvious.