111 Things You Might Not Know About Season 3

[Arcadia]

I don't remember seeing this anywhere on the forum, so I hope it's not a duplicate. There were actually a few things (very few, by now) in here I didn't 'know! Apparently culled from the commentaries and different interviews, etc.

 

 

http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/sherlock/241667/111-things-you-might-not-know-about-sherlock-season-3

[J.P.]

Oh, there are really things I didn't know. :lol:

 

32. The DVD salesman who visits Watson’s surgery is both a modern version of the bookseller Sherlock Holmes disguises himself as before revealing his identity to Watson in The Adventure Of The Empty House, and a nod to the 1944 Holmes film The Spider Woman, in which Nigel Bruce’s Watson wrongly thinks somebody is Sherlock Holmes in disguise.

 

I like this. :D

 

67. Sherlock won’t be filming the outside of St Bart’s Hospital in future because it’s being developed into housing and restaurants.

 

Ouch. So no renovation as we thought. Now I'm even happier I could visit the place.

 

69. The first cut of His Last Vow was around five and a half hours long, including several unscripted moments filmed by director Nick Hurran, such as Watson folding his shirt, and a close-up of some handwriting.

 

 

71. Yasmine Akram, who played Janine in The Sign Of Three, was so well-liked, she was brought back for His Last Vow to play Magnussen’s PR. Gatiss says, “You have to back-track and think ‘was she attached to Mary so that she became her friend so she could go to the wedding, is that all part of Magnussen’s terrible web?’”

 

 

So even Mark doesn't know it... yet? :P

 

77. The idea that close contact with a mobile phone could corrupt a key card, discussed by Sherlock in the lobby of Magnussen’s office building, came to Moffat while on the Sherlock TCA press tour in the US, when he was repeatedly warned not to keep his hotel key card near his phone in case corruption occurred.

 

And I've heard it's just another urban legend. Anyway, there are much better methods to corrupt a card if you want to be sure. Just saying.

 

84. Moffat used the same rhyme Moriarty says in the padded cell: “It’s raining, it’s pouring, Sherlock is boring” in his 2007 TV series Jekyll, in which Mr Hyde leaves a message on Mr Jackman’s Dictaphone saying “It’s raining, it’s pouring, Jackman is boring.” He was unaware of having re-used the line.

 

Well, again, strange things our brains do.

 

[J.P.]

87. Originally, the script for the scene in which Janine visits Sherlock in hospital had them making friends at the end and making a deal to get together if neither had found anyone else by the age of sixty. In that script, Sherlock told Janine to “keep the bee hives” at the cottage in Sussex she’s buying with her tabloid kiss-and-tell money (a reference to Doyle’s character’s literary retirement home), but it was cut because it was felt that it got Sherlock off the hook too easily for his awful behaviour to Janine.

 

This makes me wonder even more about their very peaceful "breakup".

 

88. The corridor in Sherlock’s mind palace in which Mary stands wearing her fur with the word “liar” swimming around her is the same one that Watson ran down to save Sherlock in A Study In Pink.

 

Well, not exactly the same.

 

 

92. A couple of lines between Mary and Sherlock were cut from the scene after he appears behind her in the Leinster Gardens corridor. Originally he said, “You saved my life” and she replied “I nearly killed you” and he says “And you didn’t hit the middle of the coin. Nobody’s perfect.” Moffat wishes he’d kept those lines in.

 

 

But it would contradict with Sherlock's statement that Mary indeed saved his life by well placed shot.

 

108. The plane Sherlock is taken away in was lent to the production by its owner, Bruce Dickinson from Iron Maiden.

 

BBC might not have big budget but it has friends. 

 

110. Sherlock’s “the East wind takes us all in the end” line is taken from Doyle’s His Last Bow, from a conversation between Sherlock and Watson on a balcony, which is canonically, the last time the pair ever speak.

 

Ouch again. The poor canon knowing viewers. :o

 

111. Sherlock could go on indefinitely, according to its creators: “The idea, if we could of finding Martin and Benedict in these chairs aged fifty – sort of the age Holmes and Watson are usually portrayed – is sensational. It would be lovely to feel we could do that.”

Well, The Creators don't think they are Gods and therefore immortal, do they?

 

AND WHAT ABOUT US, poor viewers, HUH?

[Van Buren Supernova]

Interesting read, thanks.

 

I'll need more time to read and comment on it, hopefully find something I know that is not in the list (not likely!).

 

For now, what I can say is Dang!! About number 22. 

 

If I had this list before, I wouldn't need to spend bloody excruciating minutes to get that screencap for my avatar with multiple rewinding and grunting. Dang!

[Carol the Dabbler]

I don't remember seeing this anywhere on the forum, so I hope it's not a duplicate. There were actually a few things (very few, by now) in here I didn't 'know! Apparently culled from the commentaries and different interviews, etc.

 

 

http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/sherlock/241667/111-things-you-might-not-know-about-sherlock-season-3

 

It was previously posted here (and discussed) last November.  But what the heck, we're bound to notice some new things to pick apart this time.

[Carol the Dabbler]

According to the list, Una Stubbs refers to both Rupert Graves (#7) and Lars Mikkelsen (#61) as "Mr. Gorgeous."  Well, why not?

 

#64 claims that Martin Freeman drove for the first-time-on-Sherlock in "Last Vow" (on his way to the drug den).  Nope.  Watch that scene closely, and you will see no actual driving.  Also, the commentary at that point says "This is Martin pre-driving," and goes on to mention that (as the article says) he learned to drive for Fargo (which was filmed several months later than "Last Vow").

 

 

 

69. The first cut of His Last Vow was around five and a half hours long, including several unscripted moments filmed by director Nick Hurran, such as Watson folding his shirt, and a close-up of some handwriting.

 

In fact, the commentary says that episode turned out just about the right length the first time.  As I conjectured in the prior discussion, the 5-1/2 hours might have been an estimate of how long the first draft would have run if it'd actually been filmed -- or it could be the total amount of film exposed, counting all takes of each scene.  But there doesn't seem to be any 5-1/2 hour director's cut lying around anywhere.  Sorry.

 

 

 

90. Moffat regrets cutting some lines in the scene where Watson notices the perfume bottle that make it clear that Sherlock has been back to the flat. The original script referenced some missing food. “By cutting that, it’s not immediately impactful that he’s left the perfume bottle, so I regret that, I wish we’d kept that.”

 

 

92. A couple of lines between Mary and Sherlock were cut from the scene after he appears behind her in the Leinster Gardens corridor. Originally he said, “You saved my life” and she replied “I nearly killed you” and he says “And you didn’t hit the middle of the coin. Nobody’s perfect.” Moffat wishes he’d kept those lines in.

 

Hey, I agree with Moffat!  Twice!

 

[Arcadia]

 

I don't remember seeing this anywhere on the forum, so I hope it's not a duplicate. There were actually a few things (very few, by now) in here I didn't 'know! Apparently culled from the commentaries and different interviews, etc.

 

 

http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/sherlock/241667/111-things-you-might-not-know-about-sherlock-season-3

 

It was previously posted here (and discussed) last November.  But what the heck, we're bound to notice some new things to pick apart this time.

 

 

Ooops. But you know what ... I just checked it, and actually it wasn't discussed, except by a certain ... erm ... amphibian. :P Which may be it's fate this time too, at this rate!

[Arcadia]

Hey, I agree with Moffat!  Twice!

I await the world's end.

[Van Buren Supernova]

 

 

 

 

92. A couple of lines between Mary and Sherlock were cut from the scene after he appears behind her in the Leinster Gardens corridor. Originally he said, “You saved my life” and she replied “I nearly killed you” and he says “And you didn’t hit the middle of the coin. Nobody’s perfect.” Moffat wishes he’d kept those lines in.

 

Hey, I agree with Moffat!  Twice!

 

Oh.

Originally I thought she didn't hit the center of the coin, but of course it's still an excellent shot. Quickly after that, I thought she hit the center of head print (not familiar with Bristish coin) so I thought wow, that is crazy precision.

 

So if the shot is indeed off center, sigh.. make me despise her shooting Sherlock more, like what we had discussed again and again in HLV. How do you do surgery if not accurate? It's not like it has a lot of margin of error...

[Arcadia]

I'm still not sure what Moffat's trying to say there. To me it sounds like he's saying she WAS trying to kill him, but missed. But in that case, he wouldn't have Sherlock saying she saved him; so I assume that, in spite of what it sounds like to ME, Moffat is saying she was trying NOT to kill him, but almost missed. Personally I'm glad they deleted the line because I think it just muddies the water even further! :D

 

I don't know, my way of dealing with Mary in HLV is to just take Sherlock at his word; he says she didn't want him dead, therefore she didn't. Why I would believe Sherlock the Big Fat Fibber of all people is beyond me, but I do.

[Carol the Dabbler]

To me it sounds like he's saying she WAS trying to kill him, but missed. But in that case, he wouldn't have Sherlock saying she saved him; so I assume that, in spite of what it sounds like to ME, Moffat is saying she was trying NOT to kill him, but almost missed. Personally I'm glad they deleted the line because I think it just muddies the water even further!

Well, I thought the line would be a good addition because I took it your second way, and thought it clarified Mary's not-so-bad intentions -- whereas you think it makes her sound worse. So yeah, just as well they left it out, I guess!

 

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I like the bit about Timothy Carlton wanting the hideous bow tie because he does that anyhow in real life to embarrass his son.  It just seems to fit the way Sherlock thinks of his parents.

 

Most interesting list of which I knew many of the facts (commentaries are your friend).

[Van Buren Supernova]

 

To me it sounds like he's saying she WAS trying to kill him, but missed. But in that case, he wouldn't have Sherlock saying she saved him; so I assume that, in spite of what it sounds like to ME, Moffat is saying she was trying NOT to kill him, but almost missed. Personally I'm glad they deleted the line because I think it just muddies the water even further!

Well, I thought the line would be a good addition because I took it your second way, and thought it clarified Mary's not-so-bad intentions -- whereas you think it makes her sound worse. So yeah, just as well they left it out, I guess!

 

Yes indeed

I can picture another 20 pages of posts in HLV to discuss this exchange.

 

I like the bit about Timothy Carlton wanting the hideous bow tie because he does that anyhow in real life to embarrass his son.  It just seems to fit the way Sherlock thinks of his parents.

 

Yes, I like it a lot when actors purposely do that. It shows special kind of affection, in a fun way.

 

Ed Birch, the actor who plays Molly’s Sherlock lookalike fiancé in the episode, was originally cast in the role of the waiter in the restaurant scene because of his resemblance to Benedict Cumberbatch

no... why they always say that? Beside his height, he looks nothing like Benedic Cumberbatch. Nothing! It's like comparing apple and.. uh... beef jerky.Working and holiday. Lamp post and hamburger...Very different!

 

 

P.S. I know I messed up my post quoting and pasting but very helpless with that.

Edited May 23, 2015 by Carol the Dabbler
Feeling better now? ;)

[Van Buren Supernova]

:D

Why I would believe Sherlock the Big Fat Fibber of all people is beyond me, but I do.

 

If Sherlock is fat, I really have to evaluate everything! :lol:

[SherlockedCAMPer]

The thing about Tom looking like Sherlock has to deal with height: similar, hair: similar style, face: longish/narrowish similar to Sherlock, and the fact that he wears a scarf similar to Sherlock's. It's not about being identical but having a lot of things that are close. If they had kept him as a waiter, it's possible they may have made his hair darker.

[J.P.]

Oh.

Originally I thought she didn't hit the center of the coin, but of course it's still an excellent shot. Quickly after that, I thought she hit the center of head print (not familiar with Bristish coin) so I thought wow, that is crazy precision.

 

So if the shot is indeed off center, sigh.. make me despise her shooting Sherlock more, like what we had discussed again and again in HLV. How do you do surgery if not accurate? It's not like it has a lot of margin of error...

 

Well, the coin was moving fast and rotating. You can't say that about Sherlock. I believe Sherlock's explanation: if she wanted to kill him, she would aim his head. But again - with our Evil Writers Duo you'll never know.

[Arcadia]

 

 

To me it sounds like he's saying she WAS trying to kill him, but missed. But in that case, he wouldn't have Sherlock saying she saved him; so I assume that, in spite of what it sounds like to ME, Moffat is saying she was trying NOT to kill him, but almost missed. Personally I'm glad they deleted the line because I think it just muddies the water even further!

Well, I thought the line would be a good addition because I took it your second way, and thought it clarified Mary's not-so-bad intentions -- whereas you think it makes her sound worse. So yeah, just as well they left it out, I guess!

 

Yes indeed

I can picture another 20 pages of posts in HLV to discuss this exchange.

 

So can I! :D

 

 

 

Ed Birch, the actor who plays Molly’s Sherlock lookalike fiancé in the episode, was originally cast in the role of the waiter in the restaurant scene because of his resemblance to Benedict Cumberbatch

 

no... why they always say that? Beside his height, he looks nothing like Benedic Cumberbatch. Nothing! It's like comparing apple and.. uh... beef jerky.Working and holiday. Lamp post and hamburger...Very different!

 

Yeah, that didn't work for me either. On the other hand, it must be hard to find an actor who actually looks like our Benny....

 

 

:D

Why I would believe Sherlock the Big Fat Fibber of all people is beyond me, but I do.

 

If Sherlock is fat, I really have to evaluate everything! :lol:

 

Ahem, let me correct myself: Sherlock is a Big Skinny Fibber! (Must keep my insults accurate!)

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Why keep insults accurate?  That's no fun.

[Van Buren Supernova]

Edited by Carol the Dabbler, Today, 04:53 AM. 

Feeling better now? ;)

 

Definitely yes,

Thank you so much! 

I promise I will get better.

Well

, the coin was moving fast and rotating. You can't say that about Sherlock. I believe Sherlock's explanation: if she wanted to kill him, she would aim his head. But again - with our Evil Writers Duo you'll never know.

 

 

 

Yes, Sherlock was quite still when Mary shot him.

I can easily picture other scene when Sherlock was fast moving and rotating though..

many of them.. running down the stair in SIP, chasing cab, vatican cameos...

SherlockedCAMPer, on 23 May 2015 - 2:50 PM, said:

The thing about Tom looking like Sherlock has to deal with height: similar, hair: similar style, face: longish/narrowish similar to Sherlock, and the fact that he wears a scarf similar to Sherlock's. It's not about being identical but having a lot of things that are close. If they had kept him as a waiter, it's possible they may have made his hair darker.

 

 

 

Warning ahead: Below is very bias, illogical and quite unreasonable analysis. 

Tom has an uncanny resemblance with a colleague who trouble everyone with his ignorance and attitude. So..

I think they have different hair. Sherlock has side and back curls.

For the face, both have longish face, but imho, the similarity ends there. BC has fortunate up-pointed ends on the lips, which give him an appearance of friendly and pleasant looking, while Tom is opposite. 

Tom's eyes are bigger and 'popping', BC has smaller longish eyes with different iris percentage/proportion (I swear I don't know what I am talking about here).

They definetely have different nose. BC has very distinctive side profile with his high nose and temple.

I will describe BC as lean while Tom is skinny.

For the clothing, I make myself believe that Molly dresses Tom

 

 

Arcadia, on 23 May 2015 - 10:42 AM, said:

:D

Ahem, let me correct myself: Sherlock is a Big Skinny Fibber! (Must keep my insult accurate!)

 

 

SherlockedCAMPer, on 24 May 2015 - 08:49 AM, said:

Why keep insults accurate?  That's no fun.

 

 

 

:lol: 

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Benedict does have heterochromia (sp?) where his irises are different colors (the right eye has more brown right above the pupil than the left eye does: noticeable during his best man speech in TSOT).

 

Agreed that Tom & Sherlock don't look a like much at all. Just some basic similarities that make a person wonder how much Molly is over Sherlock before it's revealed in HLV that she's no longer engaged.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Agreed that Tom & Sherlock don't look a like much at all. Just some basic similarities that make a person wonder how much Molly is over Sherlock before it's revealed in HLV that she's no longer engaged.

 

Thank you!  I think that was their general idea in casting Mr. Birch -- first as a Sherlock-resembling waiter who was later cut from "Empty Hearse" and later as Tom -- not that anyone would actually mistake him for Sherlock, but rather that Molly is sublimating her Sherlock obsession.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

 

Agreed that Tom & Sherlock don't look a like much at all. Just some basic similarities that make a person wonder how much Molly is over Sherlock before it's revealed in HLV that she's no longer engaged.

Thank you! I think that was their general idea in casting Mr. Birch -- first as a Sherlock-resembling waiter who was later cut from "Empty Hearse" and later as Tom -- not that anyone would actually mistake him for Sherlock, but rather that Molly is sublimating her Sherlock obsession.

You're welcome

[Van Buren Supernova]

Benedict does have heterochromia (sp?) where his irises are different colors (the right eye has more brown right above the pupil than the left eye does: noticeable during his best man speech in TSOT)

 

Actually I mean the proportion of the white part (?!?) is less in BC than Tom.

And I don't know how to explain it, BC has very interesting eye intensity; alert, smart, piercing but not nasty. Sum up word: gorgeous eyes.

 

Does it mean there are quite significant percentage of Molly's attraction to Sherlock on physical side?

(Well I will bring this one to Molly character thread.

Update: cancelled. I think there is not much to discuss)

 

Other things I can add:

- Deleted scene when Magnussen visited Sherlock. Sherlock asked why he bothered to visit if he had no intention to negotiate. Magnusson answered,"You are Sherlock Holmes, you're famous. I'm interested. I've never had a detective before."

 

- Another deleted scene.

Bill Wiggins actually know who Sherlock was since the first day he came to the drug den. He always read the blog. :lol:

He also complained the lack of new entries to which Sherlock replied,"The band split up."

[T.o.b.y]

 

Other things I can add:

- Deleted scene when Magnussen visited Sherlock. Sherlock asked why he bothered to visit if he had no intention to negotiate. Magnusson answered,"You are Sherlock Holmes, you're famous. I'm interested. I've never had a detective before."

 

- Another deleted scene.

Bill Wiggins actually know who Sherlock was since the first day he came to the drug den. He always read the blog. :lol:

He also complained the lack of new entries to which Sherlock replied,"The band split up."

 

I knew about the first deleted scene, but not the second. Oh my god, I so wish they had left that line in. That is so sad and touching. Ouch. Just... ouch.

 

 

[Arcadia]

Why keep insults accurate?  That's no fun.

 

My reputation is at stake. B)

 

Warning ahead: Below is very bias, illogical and quite unreasonable analysis. 

Tom has an uncanny resemblance with a colleague who trouble everyone with his ignorance and attitude. So..

I think they have different hair. Sherlock has side and back curls.

For the face, both have longish face, but imho, the similarity ends there. BC has fortunate up-pointed ends on the lips, which give him an appearance of friendly and pleasant looking, while Tom is opposite. 

Tom's eyes are bigger and 'popping', BC has smaller longish eyes with different iris percentage/proportion (I swear I don't know what I am talking about here)....

 

 I don't know either but I'm enjoying the heck out of your analysis! :D

 

Thank you!  I think that was their general idea in casting Mr. Birch -- first as a Sherlock-resembling waiter who was later cut from "Empty Hearse" and later as Tom -- not that anyone would actually mistake him for Sherlock, but rather that Molly is sublimating her Sherlock obsession.

 

 Carol, Carol, Carol ... we're desperate, we've just about beaten HLV to death, we have to criticize something! :lol2:

 

Other things I can add:

- Deleted scene when Magnussen visited Sherlock. Sherlock asked why he bothered to visit if he had no intention to negotiate. Magnusson answered,"You are Sherlock Holmes, you're famous. I'm interested. I've never had a detective before."

 

- Another deleted scene.

Bill Wiggins actually know who Sherlock was since the first day he came to the drug den. He always read the blog. :lol:

He also complained the lack of new entries to which Sherlock replied,"The band split up."

:blink: Where does one learn about these deleted scenes? First time I heard those. First one is CREEPY, the second one ...