Speculation: What Would You Like To See In Series 3?

[The_13th_Tourist]

Hmmm I am suprosed no has commented on the photo on the page I linked to above. Basically it shows our Moriarty with Mary Morstan. So...does that mean he is alive? Does Mary double-cross John and Sherlock at some point? Or were they just taking pictures for the series and it doesn't mean anything?

[Carol the Dabbler]

Actually, I believe whoever posted those photos was joking -- if you look at the rest of the photos on that page, you'll see that they actually show various combinations of the actors who have played those roles. The "Mary & Jim" photo shows Kelly Reilly (who played Mary in the two recent Holmes movies) with Andrew Scott. The two of them appeared together in a 2003 Irish movie called Dead Bodies, so the photo may be from that.

 

And yes, I realize that you were probably joking too!

[Sherlockian]

I would like to see a more solid middle episode. I didn't much care for the second episodes in Season 1 or 2. I would like to see if Molly remains as steadfast as John when it comes to believing Sherlock wasn't a fraud, or if she falls for it.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I would like to see a more solid middle episode.

 

Amen to that! (Though I suppose if there does happen to be a weak episode, it would be best to tuck it away in the center.)

 

 

I would like to see if Molly remains as steadfast as John when it comes to believing Sherlock wasn't a fraud, or if she falls for it.

 

Molly has one advantage over John -- she presumably knows that Sherlock didn't really kill himself (whereas John is merely hoping, or wishing that he could hope). Therefore, she has less reason to fear that he even had a reason to kill himself. Besides which, she sees him through rose-colored glasses anyhow.

[EvigMidnat]

I just thought of this, and I know its probably going to get me disliked

but I'd like to see Sally, Molly or John put in a position with poisonous snakes. ala The Case of the Speckled Band

[JessieBlackwood]

I believe Mycroft should know that Sherlock is alive. Would like to see a development in the dynamic between Mycroft and John. If he knew, which he did in the book, then John would be both hurt (Neither brother trusted him to act) and disappointed (Sherlock didn't trust him). It would bring Sherlock and Mycroft closer and drive Mycroft and John further apart (not that they were close to begin with).

[Brainy]

I'm not sure but that's how it is in the canon isn't it? Mycroft supporing Sherlock while he's 'away'? (sorry, just started reading the stories and I only listened to a few audio books so far) *edit* - sorry, I didn't read your post thoroughly enough - so it is in the book.

 

I can't decide which version is more realistic.. Sherlock and John hugging after a moment of perplexity - or John giving Sherlock the silent treatment.

 

I would prefer the 2nd version.. this way the producers can include a flashback to the 'sherlock-free' months/years. Maybe Sherlock (after he's back) gets himself into some kind of mess or dangerous situation and John realizes that and helps him even if he's angry with him. John rescues Sherlock and Sherlock apologizes - and they both hug.

 

This would be my little female dream.

[Our Division]

I'd be pretty pissed if I was John. "You faked your own death? And then you listened to my heartfelt graveside confession? And you still decided I didn't need to know you were still alive? YOU INSENSITIVE BASTARD." I think it's probably more likely that he refuses to speak to Sherlock.

People keep talking about the Sherlock-free months and years, which have got to be tough on John, as he's regressed to exactly the way he was before he met Sherlock, during the worst parts of his PTSD. At the same time, though, it's gotta be rough for Sherlock, knowing how much John wants the world to know what a wonderful person Sherlock is. John set up his blog as a kind of homage to Sherlock. Even if that's not what was intended, that's what it's become. The blog being twisted and contorted to service a silly, make-believe scandal has got to be terrible painful, and I'm guessing that Sherlock knows this, at least in part. Sherlock's always been a lonely guy, and now he's got to lie to his best friend. I'd be pissed if I were John, yeah, but John will probably punch him in the face or kick him in the shin or something, and then give him a hug. Sherlock did it to save John, after all.

[Carol the Dabbler]

... the Sherlock-free months and years ... have got to be tough on John, as he's regressed to exactly the way he was before he met Sherlock, during the worst parts of his PTSD....

John is in somewhat the same situation, true; i.e., without his best friend. But he's experienced a lot since "A Study in Pink," plus he's now got a home, and he's still got dear Mrs. Hudson, and Greg, and Molly. In the cemetery scene, despite his grief, he looked to me like a much more centered person than he was back then.

 

He reminds me a bit of a man I know, who was in terrible emotional shape until he met a wonderful woman. They had only a few years together, though, before she died. I was seriously concerned that he might regress, but she seems to have had a lasting effect on him.

 

I'm just saying, you're right, it is going to be tough on John, but don't worry too much, because he can handle it now.

[amycat289]

...no sh*t Sherlock is an old expression? Here's me thinking it's a relatively new one

 

I want to see more Irene Adler in series three. I just love her so much. Even just for 10 minutes of an episode, or just mentioned or something. Maybe it's because I'm a sucker for a good romance, and I do love me a good 'femme fatale'. As long as it doesn't interfere with Johnlock of course. I would also like some Kitty Riley too. Mainly because she's Jen from The IT Crowd, and began fan-girling like crazy when I saw her in The Reichenbach Fall.

 

I want to see what Sherlock and John have been doing without each other, but only for about 10-15 minutes of the first episode. I don't think I would be able to handle a whole episode without any Sherlock/John interaction. When John finds out though, I think we just might get a hug. Followed by a punch when John realizes just how angry he is at Sherlock for making him go through all that. Then maybe some graditude when he finds out it was all to help save him. But still pissed. Then maybe guilt for punching him. And of course anger towards everyone who knew Sherlock faked his death and didn't tell him. Whatever happens, John will be feeling an absolute bucketload of confusing feelings. And I can't wait to see how he handles them

 

Oh, and of course, I want Sherlock's name being cleared. Also an apology from Donovan and Anderson. Possibly one from Kitty Riley too.

 

(Sorry for the over-use of smiley faces...the ones on this site are just so amazing!)

[Carol the Dabbler]

...no sh*t Sherlock is an old expression? Here's me thinking it's a relatively new one ....

Well, yeah, relatively new -- from maybe about fifty years ago (on this side of the Atlantic, anyhow). Lots newer than twenty-three skidoo!

 

 

I want to see what Sherlock and John have been doing without each other, but only for about 10-15 minutes of the first episode. I don't think I would be able to handle a whole episode without any Sherlock/John interaction. When John finds out though.... John will be feeling an absolute bucketload of confusing feelings....

 

Oh, and of course, I want Sherlock's name being cleared....

 

I suspect that the first episode will start out with alternating scenes of John & Sherlock, showing what each is doing -- John is working, maybe getting married? -- and Sherlock is hunting down all the remaining assassins, so they won't kill his friends when he finally does turn up. Moftiss may tease us along for most of the episode -- showing Sherlock shadowing John, or talking with him in disguise so that John fails to recognize him (as in "The Empty House"), or having scenes where they almost run into one another -- and saving their reunion for the very end. Right, John will have quite an assortment of emotions to process. (And Sherlock may find dealing with his own emotions far more difficult than he expected.)

 

But clearing Sherlock's name (one aspect of Series 3 that hasn't been discussed a great deal) may be the really tough part. Unless Sherlock has some cute little trick up his sleeves, he may continue working on this into Episode 2, or even 3. After all, Moriarty sure ain't gonna confess!

[amycat289]

But clearing Sherlock's name (one aspect of Series 3 that hasn't been discussed a great deal) may be the really tough part. Unless Sherlock has some cute little trick up his sleeves, he may continue working on this into Episode 2, or even 3. After all, Moriarty sure ain't gonna confess!

 

Everyone seems to be trying to figure out how Sherlock faked his suicide, while I'm sitting around thinking up ways for him to clear his name. Also, I'm sure he could also face some trouble from the law for faking his death. Maybe the little girl who screamed at Sherlock could help, as she would be well out of shock by the time Sherlock returns. Or maybe, say if Sherlock is gone for months/years, John could have been spending some of that time trying to find proof Sherlock wasn't a fraud, and the crimes were not of his doing. It's really not going to be an easy road back for Sherlock!

[Carol the Dabbler]

... if Sherlock is gone for months/years, John could have been spending some of that time trying to find proof Sherlock wasn't a fraud, and the crimes were not of his doing....

 

Oh -- excellent point! John clearly wants to see Sherlock's good name restored, and will assume that nobody else is really working on that. He may think to interview Claudette again, as you suggested (or to have someone else interview her, just in case she was actually screaming at him). He could also badger Mycroft to help. (And probably several things that I'm not thinking of.)

[Tove]

I would like to see:

 

1. as little of Mary Morstan as possible...my thoughts are that if John and Mary Morstan get married and she dies (in the books) between "The Adventure of the Final Problem" and "The Adventure of the Empty House" when sherlock comes back that she doesn't have to really be in the tv series at all

 

2. Mycroft interference more often, sibling rivalry...show where Mycroft lives or something about sherlocks family...some sort of awkward event at the family home

 

3. sherlock to come back earlier than three years down the road. Maybe john can just get engaged and then break it off or preferably she can break it off because she feels neglected

 

4. No sherlock and john hook up - I like it like a non sexual romance, but not a bromance in the more platonic sense. nothing needs to be addressed but johns feelings should be evident. I think they have been but some news stories don't reflect what I see.

 

5. John has to stay at Baker street...there can be an assumption of recognition that he moved out when he thought sherlock was dead but he has to move back in (preferably no episodes where it shows him living elsewhere)

 

6. John needs to punch sherlock out for leaving and sherlock needs to understand the significance of his anger on some level...ned to make clear johns grief..if you have to introduce Mary as the comforter, do it and get it over with quickly...he needs to recognize quickly why sherlock did it

 

7. Sherlock needs to express some form of sorrow even if he doesn't know its sorrow or regret...some form of emotion toward the pain...not that he caused it because he was saving their lives... but that it happened

 

8. if we have to have the whole mary wedding, can we not make it an episode but just something that happens in the background

[Carterofmars]

I'd like to see:

 

1. The Dancing Men.

 

 

2. The Solitary Cyclist.

 

3. The Norwood Builder.

 

I think these stories lend themselves well to modernization.

[metusela]

When Sherlock returns in Conan Doyle's story he is first seen in Baker Street as an image through the window. This turned out to be a life size puppet. I wonder if Sherlock will appear as a hologram at the start of series 3?

[Undead Medic]

When Sherlock returns in Conan Doyle's story he is first seen in Baker Street as an image through the window. This turned out to be a life size puppet. I wonder if Sherlock will appear as a hologram at the start of series 3?

 

Help me John Hamish Watson, you're my only hope! (My inner Sci-Fi geek loves this idea!)

 

Welcome to Sherlock Forum by the way!

[JessieBlackwood]

So what is with the "Rat, Wedding, Bow" thing that Moffat and Gatiss have uttered? No doubt whatever we come up with, they'll have done something different. Immediate thoughts are that wedding has to be John and Mary, and bow pertains to His Last Bow, but I am 100% certain that's what they expect us to think and have done something completely different. What if Sherlock has found someone to marry? What would that do to John? Any ideas there, folks?

[Carol the Dabbler]

... I wonder if Sherlock will appear as a hologram at the start of series 3?

Help me John Hamish Watson, you're my only hope! ....

Watson's reaction in "The Empty House" seems a bit extreme -- but if a mini-Sherlock were to pop out of Mrs. Hudson's new vacuum cleaner, then John just might faint!

 

Welcome to Sherlock Forum, metusela!

 

And welcome back, Jessie! There were a couple of threads around here somewhere, regarding the three words -- OK, here and here -- but the subject is still wide open for discussion. The idea that "wedding" refers to John and Mary may be somewhat supported by BBC Books' five Conan Doyle reprints -- four books that have already been used for Sherlock -- and The Sign of the Four (which introduces Mary).

[metusela]

Many people seem to be attracted to Sherlock, but I just can't imagine him saying ' I Do' to anyone.

Or propose for that matter, because he considers everything that's not important in his 'mind palace' to be boring.

'Who cares if the earth revolves around the sun?'

Molly Hooper would love to marry him I think. But what was her part in his fake suicide?

If John and Sherlock get married (no, not to each other) I can't see them go off on holiday or spending time at dinner parties as a foursome.

 

Come to think of it, what kind of person would make a good John or Sherlock partner?

So what is with the "Rat, Wedding, Bow" thing that Moffat and Gatiss have uttered? No doubt whatever we come up with, they'll have done something different. Immediate thoughts are that wedding has to be John and Mary, and bow pertains to His Last Bow, but I am 100% certain that's what they expect us to think and have done something completely different. What if Sherlock has found someone to marry? What would that do to John? Any ideas there, folks?

 

[aely]

I could see Sherlock undertaking a 'marriage of convenience' particularly if it was for an especially intriguing case - there are more than a few explorations of this from a John/Sherlock pov in fanfic.

[Carol the Dabbler]

There have been several comments posted (on those two "three words" threads that I linked to before) regarding "The Adventure of Charles Augustus Milverton," wherein Holmes apparently enters into an "engagement of convenience." That could presumably be expanded to include a wedding -- though perhaps an interrupted one.

[SherLOCKED221]

I love John and Sherlock's relationship as a whole but I HOPE there is NEVER any Johnlock stuff going on in the actual show!

 

I need more Irene!! I love her! She is my favourite character (excluding Sherlock as the title character) -LOOK at my PROFILE PICTURE!!-

 

It would be interesting to see what John and Sherlock have been up to and I do think John will be working on how to clear Sherlocks name.

(At the beginning of 'The Blind Banker' there is a lot of cutting and comparing, this would work nicely I think)

 

I don't want John to get married. I would hate something like that to come between them!

I am a person who dislikes change (a bit like our Sherlock) and something so big would change it too much.

John MAY have a love interest (maybe named Mary) but she shouldn't mess with this bromance!

 

I too, am interested in why the little girl screamed (but in other posts you can clearly see I am also obsessed with figuring out how Sherlock did it!) and that

-Showing pictures of Sherlock to her while in that state- is a good idea that I find very plausible.

 

I pray there are no clones, but I guess it’s not that huge a leap (after the glowing rabbit), and it won't bother me much if they cloned Sherlock (at least to the point of having another dead body)

 

I do think it would be interesting to have a cameo by Morfet (even if it is just THIRD MAN TO THE LEFT AT THE BACK)

Also, interesting that Cannon Sherlock had a Morfet character already...hmmm....interesting.

 

I think John will punch Sherlock, but again it might be off screen like the punch in the Reichenbach Fall.

If John does punch Sherlock, although I think Sherlock could dodge it, he won't as a favour to John.

 

(I've known the NO SH*T SHERLOCK thing my whole life and I even sometimes use it, so...)

 

But long story short I can't wait for the show to come back and I think none of us will expect what happens!! (But some of us might come close!)

[Carol the Dabbler]

Wow -- thanks for your reply to the entire thread, SherLOCKED!

 

 

... It would be interesting to see what John and Sherlock have been up to and I do think John will be working on how to clear Sherlocks name. (At the beginning of 'The Blind Banker' there is a lot of cutting and comparing, this would work nicely I think) ....

 

Agreed! I would also like to see John "getting on with his life."

 

 

I pray there are no clones, but I guess it’s not that huge a leap (after the glowing rabbit), and it won't bother me much if they cloned Sherlock (at least to the point of having another dead body)

 

This seems to be one show that pays reasonably close attention to real-world accuracy. For example, Moriarty's universal "computer key code" -- which is sufficiently unlikely as to be effectively impossible -- turns out to be a hoax, whereas on a lot of shows, it would have been "real." Therefore, I seriously doubt that they will expect us to believe in the sci-fi fallacy of "instant" cloning. (A clone starts out as an embryo, just like anyone else, and takes the usual number of years to grow to adulthood.)

 

 

I do think it would be interesting to have a cameo by Morfet (even if it is just THIRD MAN TO THE LEFT AT THE BACK)

 

Yes, I'd love to see a Moffat do a don't-blink-or-you'll-miss-it cameo, as an in-joke. By the way, Beryl Vertue and Arwel Jones already had a cameo -- in the pilot, they're out of focus in the background when John and Mike are having lunch at the Criterion.

 

 

... I can't wait for the show to come back and I think none of us will expect what happens!! (But some of us might come close!)

I was once sitting at the same table with a magician as he performed his tricks. I had one of the tricks all figured out, and was so proud of myself -- until he performed the same trick again, very slowly and deliberately, making it perfectly clear that he had NOT done it that way. Everyone at the table laughed, because he had done such a neat job of sucking us all in. I wouldn't be surprised to have a bit of that reaction to "The Reichenbach Fall, Part 2"!

[SherLOCKED221]

*laughs*

Oh yes, I had some free time when nobody had posted for a while so I read through many of the older posts.

 

It seems we will almost always be just a little bit behind the creators and I believe we will all have that "Ahh!" moment eventually, and if we're lucky we'll get a few "Aha! I knew it!" moments as well