Game of Thrones

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So... From my limited perspective, it looks as if the rumors for this season have been true so far, hm?

 

That makes me wonder whether those related to S8 will be similarly accurate. Ugh, I hope not!

 

S8?  Isn't this the last season?

[T.o.b.y]

Nope. One more to go. Hey, it can't be the last - way too many characters are still alive! :-P

[J.P.]

Didn't listen to any rumours. Didn't like the last ep - to much dialogue, and the whole rescue thing reminded me too much of Tolkien's Eagles (there is something wrong with the logic, but it's not obvious to me yet). The last scene, though… :o

[T.o.b.y]

Didn't listen to any rumours. Didn't like the last ep - to much dialogue, and the whole rescue thing reminded me too much of Tolkien's Eagles (there is something wrong with the logic, but it's not obvious to me yet). The last scene, though… :o

:-D Wouldn't you love a dragon omnibus though? Just imagine you're stuck at some dull party full of brainless zombies and suddenly Drogon swoops in and you can climb on his back with all the other introverts and ride off? :-P

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Then I ask myself if Jon is also a "dragon" aka fireproof, being only a half Targaryen. Or is he more than half?   The dragon liked him.

He is not fireproof. He burned his hand rescuing the previous Lord Commander from wight/zombie in season 1. I also remember reading somewhere that GRRM said Daenerys being fireproof is supposed to be one time only, which is season 1 finale.

But I don't dismiss that they might change stuffs.

 

  

So... From my limited perspective, it looks as if the rumors for this season have been true so far, hm?

 

That makes me wonder whether those related to S8 will be similarly accurate. Ugh, I hope not!

What rumours (that already been proven?)

I was going blind so didn't know anything apart from what had been shown officially.

 

  

S8?  Isn't this the last season?

There is another season with only 6 episodes. Not sure if they'll call it S8 though. Read somewhere too that it's supposed to be season 7B. Same thing they did with Breaking Bad {splitting last season (5) into two parts}, probably because most actors have seven seasons contract only.

 

 

 

What do you guys feel about this season in general?

For me, I feel it's very hastily written. The plots are predictable and feel unnatural with glaring plotholes. It's a pity that after they painstakingly build the world and characters it seems likely that it will end up just like another predictable fantasy. Knowing the characters and wanting them to meet help a lot but it is so rushed that to me, this feels like something else.

The dragons are awesome, the last episode and loot train episode. The character meetings and interactions too. But something is missing..! What is that? The plot seems... dumb in many way.

 

I'm predicting that the Night King set the trap. If this was true, it would help with the glaring stupidity that they just wait around like that.

So in my prediction, NK indeed had plan to catch dragon. They were armed with three spears (coincidence?), they sent a small group of wight and white walker as a bait while bigger army nearby, and then they purposely waited around for Jon and gang until Daenerys arrived to get to the dragon. That's why they had those big ass chains. Otherwise, everything is stupid. Catch a zombie plan from Jon's side and wait around from NK's side while they could easily freeze the water or attack in small group since the ice was still cross-able for small groups.

 

My other prediction, it disturbs me because it sounds unlikely, but somehow I keep thinking back on it, is that Bran has connection or, he is the Night King. Bran the cripple, Bran the builder are the same person, who built the wall to prevent him, the Night King into entering the south, yet he is the Night King who has some specific purpose so he helps himself now and then by warging and see stuff for important informations.

Too crazy?

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I'm done.  I'm officially Team Lannister now.  It's quite thing, but I've decided everyone but Cersei annoys me at this point.

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I'm done. I'm officially Team Lannister now. It's quite thing, but I've decided everyone but Cersei annoys me at this point.

Why? Do tell. Sounds like an interesting opinion.

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Well, since we officially left the territory of "I'm going to judge these characters by my RL moral values" sometime about 37 minutes into S1, Ep1, I'm free to just judge everyone by how badly they are bugging me.  :P

 

Dany:  I have started hating her with the dragony fire of a thousand suns.  I know you're supposed to really like her, but I can't stand the whole "Mother of Dragons, Liberator of the Castrated" line.  She wants the power, but she wants everyone to rise up, love her to death, and give her the throne.  If she wants the power, there's only one way to do it, and that's by killing people and breaking things. (I'm speaking in the fictional universe, of course.) And, of course, they are losing me with the anvil-icious telegraphing of the likely end that she's going to wind up somehow sharing the Iron Throne with Jon once she has his baby, because she's said "I can't have children" so many times that she's a dead lock for getting knocked up.

 

Jon:  I love Jon.  He's so pretty. But he's not a leader of a country.  He barely has the ability to run Winterfell, let alone Westeros.  I wanted him to be left as part of the Night's Watch, where he actually would have turned into Aegon Targaryen and done a decent job running what is essentially a monastery.  Beyond that, he should just be kept around shirtless for everyone's viewing pleasure.

 

Sansa:  Now, I kind of like Sansa, but I think she wants to be Lady of Winterfell, and I think she'd make a pretty good job of it. She doesn't want the Iron Throne, and she shouldn't have it.  She should throw Bran off the tower again and see if it sticks this time, then rule Winterfell with Arya (possibly after Arya gets the therapy she so desperately needs). 

 

Tyrion:  Is not up for king of anything, but he's pragmatic.  Give Cersei the throne and make him her Hand, and you've got a decent combo. Along the same lines, I don't even hate Jaime any more, so those two can pretend to be the sane Lannisters.

 

Doran Martell:  Is dead.  Otherwise, he was my pick so that I could watch Alexander Siddig sit on that throne and look delicious.   :D  ;)

 

So that leaves Cersei.  She's a psychotic, sociopathic murderer, but she has reason to be. You can't deny that life has dealt her every insult it is possible to do, from her marriage to her humilitation to losing her children.  The woman is rage-filled, but she has justification, and she's the only one who I think is authentically seeking power because she's seeking power - there's no artifice with Cersei. So she's my pick. 

 

Go Cersei!  

 

 

 

 

[J.P.]

I actually don't have a favourite for the throne. But I like some "less important" characters and happily they are still around. Ser Davos. Ser Jorah. I even have a certain sympathy for Lord Varys.

Cersei? Hell, NO!!

 

If the Red Comet won't fall down to make the end to everyone, and the Dead will take Westeros, one day a ship from Braavos will come and Tycho Nestoris will try to sell some foul credit to the White Walkers. Probably together with a fire insurance.

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I actually don't have a favourite for the throne. But I like some "less important" characters and happily they are still around. Ser Davos. Ser Jorah. I even have a certain sympathy for Lord Varys.

Cersei? Hell, NO!!

 

If the Red Comet won't fall down to make the end to everyone, and the Dead will take Westeros, one day a ship from Braavos will come and Tycho Nestoris will try to sell some foul credit to the White Walkers. Probably together with a fire insurance.

Can you please write the next season? Now there's an ending both unusual and entertaining! :-D

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So I asked my brother ... who is even more leery of casual violence in movies than I am ... if he watched GOT. He said yes, but it's really just for the soft porn.

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"Soft"?! So what would he call "hard" in this context... Oh, never mind.

 

I am fine with Cercei on the throne because I don't want a character I actually like to end up there, it looks like a horrible job that never did anybody much good. So yeah, she is bitter and empty enough for it I guess. Won't be much left for her to rule over once the army of the dead is finished anyway.

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"Soft"?! So what would he call "hard" in this context... Oh, never mind.

 

I am fine with Cercei on the throne because I don't want a character I actually like to end up there, it looks like a horrible job that never did anybody much good. So yeah, she is bitter and empty enough for it I guess. Won't be much left for her to rule over once the army of the dead is finished anyway.

 

That's the spirit, Toby!  Embrace the futility that is the Iron Throne.

 

(No puns intended at all, but isn't the difference that "hard porn" by definition includes a money shot? HBO has been the home for soft porn since I first saw it in the 1980s, so I think GoT is actually fairly tame for an HBO offering.  Or else I've gotten jaded.)

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I didn't ask, as I decided I didn't really want to know.

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If a show where prostitutes are shot in the crotch with a crossbow in the hands of a teenager is "tame" then I really, really don't want to know what is wild.

 

I will never understand why that kind of thing is acceptable on TV just as long as you can't see anybody's genitals.

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If a show where prostitutes are shot in the crotch with a crossbow in the hands of a teenager is "tame" then I really, really don't want to know what is wild.

 

I will never understand why that kind of thing is acceptable on TV just as long as you can't see anybody's genitals.

 

Oh, my apologies for making light.  I didn't realize you were factoring in the violence; I was just reacting to the sex.  I meant that, in regards to showing sex, 1980s HBO was far rougher in terms of what they would show than GoT is, in my opinion.  I didn't even think about the violence aspect.  I'm sorry.

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If a show where prostitutes are shot in the crotch with a crossbow in the hands of a teenager is "tame" then I really, really don't want to know what is wild.

 

I will never understand why that kind of thing is acceptable on TV just as long as you can't see anybody's genitals.

Oh, my apologies for making light. I didn't realize you were factoring in the violence; I was just reacting to the sex. I meant that, in regards to showing sex, 1980s HBO was far rougher in terms of what they would show than GoT is, in my opinion. I didn't even think about the violence aspect. I'm sorry.

No need to apologize! It's just always bewildering to us Germans how US media get all upset about certain body parts being used for their natural purpose while it's apparently totally acceptable for other characters to cut them off.

 

And I am a typical German in this area, sex and nudity don't faze me much but my tolerance for violence is pretty low. So from my perspective of course it is quite absurd how GoT gets so much attention for showing boobies etc when there are is way more torture and carnage on the show.

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No need to apologize! It's just always bewildering to us Germans how US media get all upset about certain body parts being used for their natural purpose while it's apparently totally acceptable for other characters to cut them off.

 

And I am a typical German in this area, sex and nudity don't faze me much but my tolerance for violence is pretty low. So from my perspective of course it is quite absurd how GoT gets so much attention for showing boobies etc when there are is way more torture and carnage on the show.

 

 

And it's true, at least for me.  Violence on television barely registers with me. RL violence bothers me, but seeing something ridiculous happen on screen doesn't even make me raise an eyebrow.  I know there are Americans on this forum who feel differently, but the stereotype holds true for me.  I can remember only a few times that televised fictional violence has bothered me; one was a historical drama where someone was executed by guillotine, and the scene focused on the mother watching here son's death, and that just tore me up. If anything violent upset me on GoT, it was Ned's death because his family was watching.

 

On the other hand, you are right about the nudity.  Now, I consider myself pretty comfortable with sexuality in general, but I don't always think of a body as primarily a sexual object.  Nonetheless, I'm usually pretty shocked if someone feeds a kid in public; I don't have kids myself, but even thinking about doing that makes me extremely embarrassed.  I think if I had had a child, I wouldn't have left the house until the kid was weaned.  And, while scantily/un- clad bodies in context (like on a nude beach in public) don't bother me, I'm usually taken aback by some of the nudity on TV, especially when sex scenes are shown.  The one bit so far that has really embarrassed me is the scene with Jon and Dany in the latest episode.

 

Cultural norms.  Funny things, aren't they?

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Yes, also very fascinating.

 

On TV, does it have to do with you knowing that the blood is fake but the skin is real?

 

I don't mind violence so much if it's very unrealistic. Like the typical superhero fights for example. Or the battles in Lord of the Rings (still don't look directly at the screen most of the time though). But GoT's main strength lies in bringing realism to fantasy imo so the violence there is much more disturbing to me. Also, huge chunks of plot are just downright sadistic. I don't find it ridiculous at all. I can't laugh over Ramsay Bolton for example and his death brought me relief but no enjoyment either.

 

What was so uncomfortable about Jon and Dany? Knowing they're related?

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Yes, also very fascinating.

 

On TV, does it have to do with you knowing that the blood is fake but the skin is real?

 

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What was so uncomfortable about Jon and Dany? Knowing they're related?

 

Regarding the first question, it is because the people on TV aren't real. As long as they are completely fictional, then it isn't any different to me than watching Road Runner and seeing Wile E. Coyote fall off a cliff.  The characters aren't any more real to me than that, so it doesn't bother me if they die graphically.  Fictional characters are fiction, and so we can play with them any way we want; I can't make them real in my head.

 

Real people: that bothers me.  I watched a documentary about the Hunley, which was a Confederate (I think) submarine that went down, and the entire crew died while submerged.  I literally had nightmares for weeks.  Those were real people.  Ditto Schindler's List.  Horrifying. I still have nightmares, and I've seen it twice.  I almost couldn't watch the first 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan (the D-Day invasion stuff).

 

(I have some theories about why the distinction between real and fictional is so absolute for me, but that is probably beyond the GoT thread.)

 

Regarding the skin, I don't like to watch someone on screen or in person feeding a child, because I perceive it as a bodily function like any of the other bodily functions that involve producing fluids, and to me those always are private moments. So, I have this desire to give the person privacy, and, if it is on TV, I don't know why anyone chose to portray a private moment in a public way.  In that case, it is nothing sexual; it is that I associate bodily function with privacy; just seeing a body doesn't bother me.

 

Regarding Jon and Dany, it was seeing him naked from the waist down and lying on her. I don't know how to explain it, but I was embarrassed for the actors, and I was especially embarrassed for KH, having to show so much of himself to a public audience in that way.

 

I'm always more embarrassed for men to be shown naked than women.  Maybe it's because I like men; I ignore female bodies because they aren't interesting to me. Maybe it's that old theory that a tuxedo is for a man what lingerie is for a woman - a well-dressed man is so infinitely sexy that I feel embarrassed if they are unclothed.  But my Jon/Dany embarrassment had nothing to do with the plot and everything to do with positioning.  If you had put Dany on top and artfully arranged some sheets to give Jon some modesty, it wouldn't have bothered me or interested me.  And that's a level of figuring out my own psychology I haven't really gotten to yet.  :-)

[Arcadia]

Wahhhhh, why aren't we having lovely discussions like this about Sherlock anymore? I'm half-tempted to start watching GOT just so I can contribute something to this thread. Fortunately for you all, my other half is too squeamish. :P

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At 18:30 this video starts explaining one of the main flaws of Game of Thrones' writing:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iePTjdDXslM#t=18m30s

 

I generally agree with what this guy is saying but I believe that his criticisms apply more to the TV show than the books. I also believe Martin has an ending planned that he hopes he can write before he dies.

[J.P.]

It seems me and Mark have similar view on how things go. :D

 

“I made a pitch to be the last one alive because if anyone survives, it’s the banker, isn’t it? They smiled at me and then plotted my doom,” Mark joked.

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/789886/Game-of-Thrones-season-7-Mark-Gatiss-spoiler-Tycho-Nestoris-HBO

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The thing I miss about Tycho Nestoris is the tall hat. I'm glad he would be in the end game though :cowdance:.

 

Anyway, I actually have a big rant about season 7 (yes, on top of my other rants ) that I haven't had time to type it up, it's about Petyr Baelish.

[T.o.b.y]

Anyway, I actually have a big rant about season 7 (yes, on top of my other rants ) that I haven't had time to type it up, it's about Petyr Baelish.

 

:D Oh, do tell. I know just enough about Game of Thrones to appreciate a good rant about it. :P 

 

You know what I think is silly? That he's called "Petyr". Why not "Peter"? Clearly, it's the same name, what's with the fancy spelling?