Game of Thrones

[Caya]

Welp, that's not easy to explain. That underlying tendency of fantasy being better than reality (for varying definitions of better) is, actually, what got me hooked on the series back, oh dear, that was almost two decades ago (I just realized that I had neither been to that newfangled internet thingie yet nor met my husband, back when I stumbled upon the first volume and bought it on impulse because it had a recommendation by MZB - me iz old ).

 

I started reading it and found, with some disappointment, that I could see the underlying Fantasy Structure Type XY behind the story - namely, comparatively down-to-earth rural hero (family) comes to the decadent urban center and, with their simple but pure values, set things to rights in a long but ultimately predictable struggle against the licentious villain(s). Then, well, there was that drastic height reduction of what I had thought I'd identified as the simple-but-noble protagonist, and I was lying there like, Whoa . And that was the moment that started it for me - that unpredictability. Sure, there are some characters who I think are likely to make it - Tyrion, for example. But unlike most fantasy series, I never feel sure about their Plot Armor. And reading the spoilers last week, when Tyrion took that decision, my heart sure skipped a beat because I knew what had happened to Quentyn in the book -_-.

 

That being said, there is a certain justice even in the Game of Thrones world, but it's rather subtle compared to most Fantasy realms. Namely, I cannot remember a single death where the soon-bereft-of-life wasn't given a chance to turn back (and those who took it, did in fact live). Just to pick a couple examples, Ned, against all common sense and better judgment, slew Lady instead of realizing how little his former friend Robert had his back anymore and turning back north while he still could. Viserys was warned pretty drastically during the feast but he thought himself invulnerable. Catelyn was asked by Robb about making Jon his heir and, instead of realizing how unfair and wrong she'd been about the boy, went into conniptions, and next thing she was facing the music quite literally. And, most striking example of underestimating this last warning, Tywin on the privy.

 

Also, while a lot of good and innocent people die, at least they do it comparatively quickly and painlessly, most of the time, and the really awful deaths are reserved for the bad guys. If I were Walder Frey or Ramsay Bolton, I'd be very, very afraid :o.

[Arcadia]

No joy... that's my problem with Game of Thrones.

Aha.

 

Fantasy and sci fi are my favorite genres, but I find I watch/read increasingly less of them, and I think you, Toby, may have illuminated exactly why; the hope's gone out of them. My favorites are as you describe; scenes of light triumphing over darkness (even when there's loss) and glimpses of a better world out there ... somewhere. Absent those things, the genre has little to lure me. I think that's why I stopped reading the GOT books; without the promise of a little sunshine on the horizon (there is no horizon!), I wasn't much interested in continuing the journey, in spite of some rather interesting companions.

 

I couldn't get into Harry Potter either, but for a different reason ... I just don't think Ms. Rowling did a great job of imagineering. It's more like she pulled in random elements of things for atmospheric effect, but made no effort to use them in any coherent way. (I'm thinking about the things like the skeletal horses; cool concept, but what was the point of them? Did they advance the story?) I applaud what she did for children's literature, though ... made it cool to read!

[Arcadia]

Welp, that's not easy to explain. That underlying tendency of fantasy being better than reality (for varying definitions of better) is, actually, what got me hooked on the series ....

 

Well, frack, you make some good points too. There must be some hope of redemption in there somewhere; otherwise I wouldn't have finished even the first book, let alone two. So I guess for me it ultimately comes down to: no ending. I can endure a lot for the sake of a good story, but I like to be rewarded with an actual denouement at some point. (One wonders how I ever survived manga and anime... :P )

[T.o.b.y]

I started reading it and found, with some disappointment, that I could see the underlying Fantasy Structure Type XY behind the story - namely, comparatively down-to-earth rural hero (family) comes to the decadent urban center and, with their simple but pure values, set things to rights in a long but ultimately predictable struggle against the licentious villain(s). Then, well, there was that drastic height reduction of what I had thought I'd identified as the simple-but-noble protagonist, and I was lying there like, Whoa . And that was the moment that started it for me - that unpredictability. Sure, there are some characters who I think are likely to make it - Tyrion, for example. But unlike most fantasy series, I never feel sure about their Plot Armor. And reading the spoilers last week, when Tyrion took that decision, my heart sure skipped a beat because I knew what had happened to Quentyn in the book -_-.

 

Yeah, Game of Thrones really does a good job avoiding common tropes. But tropes aren't always bad - certain elements of storytelling are frequently used for a reason. Having said this, I was in fact rather disappointed to learn that

Jon Snow has been resurrected - seriously? On this show? But I hate resurrections with a vengeance anyway unless they happen to Sherlock Holmes.

 

 

Maybe I just haven't read enough fantasy to appreciate Game of Thrones. My husband used to try to get me into the books he likes but eventually gave up because I just couldn't muster any kind of enthusiasm. My love for the fantastic comes mostly from fairy tales and mythology, Lord of the Rings, children's books and my own overactive imagination. I probably have no idea of the number of mistakes George R.R. Martin did not make... :lol:

 

I have a really, really hard with any kind of sadism, too. Man, I went ballistic just from the very short and comparatively mild torture scene at the beginning of The Empty Hearse. Can you imagine what one episode of GoT does to my blood pressure? It can't be healthy. Even the satisfaction of seeing the super bad guys (like Joffrey) die is short-lived and hollow. The fact that he had a horrid death doesn't undo any of the harm he caused. It benefits nobody. It's just more cruelty in a cruel world and it isn't really any better just because it's happening to a horrible person. I mean, I am glad he's gone, I totally support killing him (for the same reasons that I agree with shooting Magnussen), but I see no real benefit in watching him suffer.

[Caya]

You are a rare and gentle soul then. When watching S1 of the series (I stopped some time after the beginning of S2), and seeing so many dastardly characters such a long time after reading about them, I confess I took no little joy in the Vir Cotto way:

 

 

Watching their cruelties was a lot easier for me when thinking of what was waiting for them down the line :P.

 

As for a certain occurrence last episode (too lazy to do a spoiler tag), this has been a long time in the coming. Prophecy about being "reborn amidst smoke and salt" and all that,

[Van Buren Supernova]

Gahhhhhh!

I wrote a long painful post but it couldn't get through and with the error msg even though I tried again and again..

And this is a borrowed computer and I can't keep the post.

Hmppphh.. sod it sod it! I am out..

[T.o.b.y]

Gahhhhhh!

I wrote a long painful post but it couldn't get through and with the error msg even though I tried again and again..

And this is a borrowed computer and I can't keep the post.

Hmppphh.. sod it sod it! I am out..

 

Oh dear. I hate it when I lose a long post. Can you remember the gist of what you were going to say?

 

[Arcadia]

Tim's looking to see if he can figure out why it happened.

[Van Buren Supernova]

Thank you guys, I get easily agitated when it happens. My bad.

 

I remember what I wrote (mostly rubbish :p) and try to recreate it as neatly as possible through my phone.

 

I see no significant difference between reading one of my factual books about the Tudors or watching a documentary on the Wars of the Roses and dealing with Game of Thrones. Sure, the latter has dragons and magic and undead people. But the appeal of fantasy (for me) had very little to do with any of these (although I f***ing love dragons). Fantasy is supposed to be better than reality.

I think that's why I stopped reading the GOT books; without the promise of a little sunshine on the horizon (there is no horizon!), I wasn't much interested in continuing the journey, in spite of some rather interesting companions.

I see where you are coming from. I do.

Funny thing is, what makes you dislike GoT is what makes me like it. I appreciate the realism and how close it is to history and real life, maybe because I don't really consider GoT as fantasy (except dragon and undead XD).

It's nice to see good things in fantasy world, but it works opposite with me..instead of making me feel good, I feel bad after that because I know that is not real, that is not reality. Well, we can learn and get positive energy from it, motivation etc, but in my weird mind I despise them for deceiving me, or even manipulate me to certain level. I prefer to see the bad as it is than seeing good but it's not, I know it's weird way of thinking but can't help it.

 

Maybe it helps to that I watch GoT without any attachment to the characters. They can kill them off as long as they write a compelling and believable story around it (George does but I have very shaky faith with the showrunners

That's why Dorne pisses me off. Doran Martell is supposed to be brilliant strategist with his under the radar chess move, not slow wimp they make him to be just because they don't know how to work with his story after bad reception last season (well it's kind of crap)

 

 

Anyway, another reason why I like GoT is grey characters, there are no pure hero and pure villain (almost) which is very true in real life, and there are no totally right and wrong situations, pure good or bad deeds which I think is brilliant way of looking at things. Is it only wrong slaying your King to save millions? Is it only right freeing slaves to destroy their town and leave them fending for themselves? Is it right to behead a man who is blinded by rage for avenging family member while you are leading hundred of thousands to war and destruction for avenging your family member who happens to be a respected political figure?

 

Probably the most devastating moment for most audience

Red Wedding

is only surprising for me for a short while. After that (don't kill me) I understand Tywin's move and I think it's brilliant. Cold, heartless, yes, but brilliant. The first thing to do, is don't go, don't start the war, it's never worth it, it's living proof of human stupidity and disregard of lives in order to achieve power and glory.

But if you are caught in war, the best strategic move is to win it with minimum casualties from both sides.

Like he says"Why is it more wrong to kill a dozen at dinner than hundred of thousands at war?"

But of course you have limited control to your allies's blood thirst and their own interests.

 

I just feel so alone sometimes because it seems as if I am the only person on the planet who does not like Game of Thrones (or Harry Potter either, for that matter)

Harry Potter, you are not alone. My brother recommended me and ended up buying me the books because I didn't hear him. So I got to read every book except last one and quite enjoyed it (I see Snape from a mile a way) ... until the first movie experience spoiled it for me, and for every new book. It had so much hype, theatres were pack with everyone who spelled every scene in details before it happens. Mindless friends posted spoilers on facebook and I suddenly got very sick of it. So I stopped reading and never watched the subsequent movies after the first one, and I don't miss any second or curious about it.

 

But maybe I am alone with not liking Lord of The Ring?

 

And reading the spoilers last week, when Tyrion took that decision, my heart sure skipped a beat because I knew what had happened to Quentyn in the book -_-.

You and me both. :p

 

Having said this, I was in fact rather disappointed to learn that

 

 

Jon Snow has been resurrected - seriously? On this show? But I hate resurrections with a vengeance anyway unless they happen to Sherlock Holmes.

 

 

You have no idea. :p They actually minimize it.

Anyway, first time I heard about Sherlock was when someone commented on GoT death," as least characters really die in Game of Thrones, unlike thatshow Sherlock, where everyone fakes their death."

 

I was thinking Whoottt..another remake of Sherlock where everyone fakes their death? And who is that main actor with that weird name? Well, this sounds like a crappy show I shouldn't waste time for. XD

 

I was young-er and mucccch stupider. :p

[J.P.]

VBS, thank you for the post, so now I don't have to write it.

 

I wouldn't call GOT fantasy. It is everything but a fairy tale.

What fascinates me about it is the feeling the whole universe WORKS in it's own bubble. For me this alternative world has an incredible solidity. The only problem with belief suspense for me is the fact that in a world with no stable seasons any form of higher organized live, not to mention a culture, wouldn't be possible. But the rest makes me forget about this little detail.

 

I think a great part of this solidity of GOT lies in costume and set design. There is no nonsense like high heels for wandering in woods, or steel bikini to name the first that come to my mind. I did a quite intense research for the costumes and notices that they are built on a system. And I love systems. :D Even the magic seems to have a system of rules. The giants move like real giants would, with this apparent slowness. The dragons make sense physically, and have to eat something... or someone etc, etc.

There was only one exception so far: the scene on ice with Bran and Co fighting the undead. I was thinking Pirates of Carribian meets Return of the King. Too fantasy-ish! They should let the undead under the ice and not show them. Resurection? That's a bit far fetched, but we have had it before, so at least it's not an ex machina moment. At least I don't have moments when I'd like to yell at the telly: THAT WOLD NEVER WORK! which happened to me much too often while watching Outlander. :D

 

The cast includes a great amount of ugly people. Makes it more real. There is a percentage of idiots, selfish people, wise people, good people and monsters - but you never can be sure who is who. Almost everyone is a psychopath in one way or another. The only miscasted character was IMO Joffrey. Jack Gleeson said that he wanted to base his performance on Nero from Gladiator. Well, IMHO he failed. To me he wasn't believable and overdoing his acting. Ramsay Bolton is a great psycho, mostly because he looks nice when he smiles... The other character/actress I have a problem with is Sansa - I couldn't put a finger on it for a while, until I realized she reminded me of... Paris Hilton

 

GOT has a whole gallery of incredibly diversified female characters. They are all strong women - and every one of them in her own way. How often does it happen in fantasy? Or in "real movies"?

 

Religions: Woah, did you ever seen a fantasy world with such exact described religions? And every one of them seems to make more sense that Scientology :P

 

Languages! The folks who are responsible for them deserve a prize being named after them. Dothraki seemed so natural that I actually wondered if it's a real language. Compared to this, high prized Elvish in LOTR sounds wooden like a novice's declamation in Latin.

 

As for LOTR - it had the same love for details, costumes and sets, but it's another sort of story. Tolkien's world is an alternative mythology, while GOT is an alternative reality/history with fantasy elements.

 

I like the unpredictability of the plot, breaking the rules of storytelling. I really don't know who's about to get the throne, and even if it seems to be Bran (for now) - I won't bet.

 

And for the end - GOT is cynical in a way I am. It says life has no sense or goal, there is no karma, no justice in fate.

 

 

On the negative side: I feel it's too long already and started to loose it's momentum in S5. But maybe it's only me - with Sherlock spread all over my brain and not leaving any space for another obsession.

[Detective]

 

 

The only miscasted character was IMO Joffrey. Jack Gleeson said that he wanted to base his performance on Nero from Gladiator. Well, IMHO he failed. To me he wasn't believable and overdoing his acting.

Sorry but can't agree with that.

I think Gleeson did a good job.

Joffrey, I'm pretty sure, is/was the most hated character in GoT, meaning Gleeson did a good job portraying a jerk like Joffrey.

I think he was the perfect fit for this role.

 

I really don't know who's about to get the throne, and even if it seems to be Bran (for now) - I won't bet.

I actually never read someone thinking that Bran would win the throne.. Why do you think that? He has no army no soldiers no nothing.

I think Tyrion or Dany or Jon has a chance to win the game...

Tyrion is a genius, one of the smartest characters here, Dany has loyal soldiers and freaking dragons and Jon Snow, well he defeated the death and is a good leader... He could easily get some soliders (maybe he'll even conquer Westeros with his wildlings or nightwatch brother) ;)

SPOILER IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN SEASON 6 EPISODE 3!

 

 

 

Jon left the nightswatch, or is about to leave it so we'll see what will happen to him. Something pretty big has to happen to him.

 

[J.P.]

 

Well, Dany HAD dragons and soldiers. :P

 

 

Bran is the one with visions from the beginning. He made it to the North and he has the Raven.

 

Tyrion is actually too smart to take the throne. :D Maybe Jon too.

 

Dany is a leader but she tends to make short sighted decisions and let her heart decide too much. I can see her turning into a tyrant very easily. But to be honest, I don't think that being a good candidate makes a better chance for winning. Ramsay could win as well. That's the whole fun - you cannot predict ANYTHING. In a normal story I would say: winning the throne with dragons would be too easy. But not here.

 

Maybe no one will win. An asteroid comes by and resets the whole planet.

 

[Caya]

Well GRRM has stated several times that the ending will be bittersweet, and coming from him that probably means a lot of bitter and very little sweet :P.

 

For what it's worth, here's a very early synopsis of his, courtesy of Harper Collins:

 

http://watchersonthewall.com/george-r-r-martins-original-plan-game-thrones/

 

While a lot has changed in the story since then obviously, this names Tyrion, Daenerys, Jon, Arya and Bran as the key players, and that might still be true.

 

eta: Some folks on reddit tried to reconstruct the redacted part; this is what they came up with: http://imgur.com/lFswGVp .

[J.P.]

And I won't read it. Don't want to have ideas that might turn out to be true. :P

[Arcadia]

The funny thing is, even though I only read the first two books, I would have guessed four of those five names as being key players at the end.

 

But I should shut up, since I haven't either read or watched the thing ... except to say, I think GRRM is a really good writer, and I liked the first two books for all -- well, most -- of the reasons stated above. But as I mentioned before ... what scared me off was the after reading some 1700 pages, I apparently was still on Chapter 1. Maybe 2. (Is each book a chapter? :p )

 

Still, reading all your comments tempts me to try it again ... someday. When I'm sure it has an ending. I would be just my luck to invest all that time and passion and then have the author kick the bucket before finishing it. Or something.

 

Did anyone ever see a show called Earth 2? Wonderful, wonderful show. Fabulous actors, great alternate world and critters, compelling story .... unresolved ending. Never renewed. I can't take that kind of disappoint any more!!!

[Van Buren Supernova]

The cast includes a great amount of ugly people. Makes it more real. There is a percentage of idiots, selfish people, wise people, good people and monsters - but you never can be sure who is who. Almost everyone is a psychopath in one way or another. The only miscasted character was IMO Joffrey. Jack Gleeson said that he wanted to base his performance on Nero from Gladiator. Well, IMHO he failed. To me he wasn't believable and overdoing his acting. Ramsay Bolton is a great psycho, mostly because he looks nice when he smiles... The other character/actress I have a problem with is Sansa - I couldn't put a finger on it for a while, until I realized she reminded me of... Paris Hilton

 

GOT has a whole gallery of incredibly diversified female characters. They are all strong women - and every one of them in her own way. How often does it happen in fantasy? Or in "real movies"?

 

Religions: Woah, did you ever seen a fantasy world with such exact described religions? And every one of them seems to make more sense that Scientology :P

 

Languages! The folks who are responsible for them deserve a prize being named after them. Dothraki seemed so natural that I actually wondered if it's a real language. Compared to this, high prized Elvish in LOTR sounds wooden like a novice's declamation in Latin.

Good points. Paris Hilton.

And I'm restricting myself not to ask you about ugly people. XD

Jack Gleeson is fine to me, but I also don't get Sansa, no offense to the actress, but she doesn't look like what I pictured at all.

Maybe because I really dislike her character, now I'm okay, but still indifferent about her. 

 

Religion: Yes! They capture all the fanaticism, nutcase and hypocrisy. If I have to choose one religion in GoT, I love quietness and pretty tree.

 

On the negative side: I feel it's too long already and started to loose it's momentum in S5. But maybe it's only me - with Sherlock spread all over my brain and not leaving any space for another obsession.

Yup, season 3 & 4 are the peaks.

Now I just want to find out, yes, like Caya said, the closure, because we are venturing out of the books.

 

I don't really miss it when I can't watch it (like for this new episode and maybe upcoming ones), I just go to internet and read about it, which was something really undesirable for me in the past (or still, for shows that I really care about), but it's still good TV compared to many, hopefully they don't mess it up further.

Freaking Dorne..

[J.P.]

Sansa - I actually like the character, but dislike the actress. I mean this girl was trough some hard times repeatedly and she managed to surprise me few times.

 

What didn't happen with Joffrey. He is a bit one-sided for my taste, especially compared to the rest.

[T.o.b.y]

Thank you guys, I get easily agitated when it happens. My bad.

 

I remember what I wrote (mostly rubbish :P) and try to recreate it as neatly as possible through my phone.

 

Not rubbish at all and thank you for the effort.

 

Anyway, another reason why I like GoT is grey characters, there are no pure hero and pure villain (almost) which is very true in real life, and there are no totally right and wrong situations, pure good or bad deeds which I think is brilliant way of looking at things.

 

What is grey about Joffrey or Ramsay though? As far as I can see, they are pure evil. And that's another bone I have to pick with Game of Thrones: I actually really dislike the good / evil binary of most fictional worlds and greatly appreciate more ambiguous characters (like Sherlock... seems I cannot post anything without somehow sneaking his name in... :lol:), but it has to work both ways. You can't not have any heroes but a ton of hard-core villains. Well, you can, obviously, but it makes your universe go off balance and not in a good way if you ask me. 

 

(Having said that, I just realized that you could actually say the same thing about Sherlock, though - there's Moriarty and Magnussen and such people on the "bad" side but no really purely "good" characters either. Which does bother me. I certainly don't want Sherlock to become some kind of knight in shining armor, but I'd love more complex antagonists for him. Like Irene. But overall, Sherlock lives in a much brighter world and certainly a more fantastic one than Game of Thrones, even though it is supposedly set in present day London).

 

The moment I knew that Game of Thrones wasn't going to work for me was when Joffrey forced Sansa to look at the severed head of her father. That scene made me so insanely angry, you cannot imagine. And I was like okay, that's it, I better not get further into this or else I might die from a ruptured aneurysm or something like that. :P And there's no kind of resolution to scenes like that on Game of Thrones. On Sherlock, Magnussen drove me up the wall too but that served an actual purpose in the story because it was all build-up for the "Merry Christmas" scene, which would not have worked so well for me if I hadn't at that point been totally livid and wanting to reach into the television to throttle the bastard myself.

 

And no, it is not good enough that Joffrey is finally poisoned or that Ramsay will surely meet some kind of violent death before the story is over. I don't care about the villains. It doesn't matter what happens to them and their suffering does not undo any of the harm they have caused. I care only about the characters who are actually people, not monsters. I care about Sherlock and John and even Mary and I want them to regain their agency, their dignity and their freedom. I care about Sansa - she's not a good person, but she's a believable, fleshed out teenage girl whom I can identify with and I want to see her overcome the sadists in her life in some way. And yeah, I know it doesn't work like that in real life, but that's exactly why I like fiction.

 

 

Anyway. I am glad you guys enjoy the show and I certainly don't mean to criticize anybody for liking it! I just really like talking about fiction... and it's fun to do that with people who have a different opinion / taste than me.

 

 

 

 

[Caya]

And no, it is not good enough that Joffrey is finally poisoned or that Ramsay will surely meet some kind of violent death before the story is over. I don't care about the villains. It doesn't matter what happens to them and their suffering does not undo any of the harm they have caused. I care only about the characters who are actually people, not monsters. I care about Sherlock and John and even Mary and I want them to regain their agency, their dignity and their freedom. I care about Sansa - she's not a good person, but she's a believable, fleshed out teenage girl whom I can identify with and I want to see her overcome the sadists in her life in some way. And yeah, I know it doesn't work like that in real life, but that's exactly why I like fiction.

 

So not going into the topic whether Mary's a monster or not (because she doesn't cackle when she kills a friend?) but as for Sansa, that's one major reason I refuse to watch the show anymore, the way they're treating her character. You might be relieved to learn that GRRM's original version is markedly different; namely, she ends up in the Vale disguised as Littlefinger's bastard daughter, and while she has it rough too a couple of times, it's nowhere near anything Ramsay-related plus, she learns from Baelish and slowly becomes a player in her own right. It's a pity that the Winds of Winter sample chapter on GRRM's site has currently been switched to Arianne (and while we're at it, don't start me about Dorne on the show ), because it used to be Alayne's (her assumed name) for a while and you would've liked it - she's definitely got her agency back by then.

 

[Van Buren Supernova]

What is grey about Joffrey or Ramsay though?

Yes, I agree, they are not grey, that's why I put (almost).

Your post got me thinking deeper. It sucks that it's applicable in real life as well. I heard more about real life pure villains than pure heroes. Worse, with my skepticism, I always question heroic moves before I believe it, especially those done with public recognition.

 

However, I have met wonderful strangers who were being kind to me when there was no way they could expect something back from me at that time, so I still have faith in good people, ordinary extraordinary heroes.

 

Anyway. I am glad you guys enjoy the show and I certainly don't mean to criticize anybody for liking it! I just really like talking about fiction... and it's fun to do that with people who have a different opinion / taste than me.

 

Same here. It's fascinating and helps me understand different point of views.

 

I refuse to watch the show anymore, the way they're treating her character. You might be relieved to learn that GRRM's original version is markedly different; namely, she ends up in the Vale disguised as Littlefinger's bastard daughter, and while she has it rough too a couple of times, it's nowhere near anything Ramsay-related plus, she learns from Baelish and slowly becomes a player in her own right. It's a pity that the Winds of Winter sample chapter on GRRM's site has currently been switched to Arianne (and while we're at it, don't start me about Dorne on the show ), because it used to be Alayne's (her assumed name) for a while and you would've liked it - she's definitely got her agency back by then.

 

I don't remember the source, but I read that George himself said that Sansa is going to meet similar fate, although maybe not in the hand of Ramsay. Not sure how reliable that is though.

 

 

Maybe you guys will like the latest episode:

 

 

Jon & Sansa's reunion. And Sansa is finally becoming a much stronger person.

 

Dany unburnt again.

 

Theon - Yarra (Asha) reunion.

 

 

 

There is no way for me to watch it legally, and for this season they are really cracking down all my sources so I just resort to reading recap, spoilers and YouTube, but I am okay, their lost, not mine :p, few seasons ago I would go ballistic.

please don't let it happen with Sherlock!

 

[Van Buren Supernova]

Good grief.

 

Hold the door..!

 

 

This non-book territory starts to make me think that it's worth the wait. The newest ep is quite crazy. If only the internet is not so dangerous and has less spoiler, I will wait until I can watch it. But too risky, too bad... I still have to find out from reading instead of watching.

[J.P.]

Yepp. That was... a bit not good.

[Caya]

 

 

[J.P.]

Yeah, almost :D

 

 

Now the makers are taking it out on minor characters...

 

 

Funny, my two favorite characters from the "second row", managed to still be my favorite characters. Ser Davos and Sir Jorah. I really hope they will survive.

I also hope to see The Hound alive. I kind of learned to like him. I would also like to see some Mark G again but it's just for fun.

 

What bothers me a bit is that the characters I found most interesting: Tyrion and Jamie, then Lord Balish and Varys - all kind of merged with the background recently. This might be the reason why the show seems to "dilute" in the two last seasons.

[Van Buren Supernova]

Don't forget Dolorous Edd. I want him well.

 

Bit of book spoiler:

 

Jorah is still okay in the book, he never gets grayscale. Some other character they decide not to include does, but his faith is unknown too.

 

And there are sound theories that the Hound is indeed alive, he is believed to be a grave digger met by Brianne (Brianne never fights, meet or know the Hound in the book) I think you can google it easily. Speculators also believe that he is set to face his brother, the zombified Kingsguard.

 

 

If I ever ship a couple

Tormund Giantsbane and Brianne seem like a good choice XD