What would you like to see in series 4?

[Zain]

Oh, that works rather beautifully, Arcadia. And Sherlock's "return" at the end of HLV is the retarding moment, the delay of the "falling action."

 

[Arcadia]

The wheel turns, nothing is ever new.

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Sadly, Doyle doesn't make much of Mary's death except that it was "a sad bereavement". 

 

   Childbirth isn't farfetched....nor is an out break of diphtheria or typhoid fever, all too common in Victorian England. Some "scholars' have speculated that it may have been separation, not by death, but by divorce....extremely rare and very difficult for a woman to get. A run-a-way wife was hunted down....by law...returned to her husband...and he could in turn do what he wished for punishment..even having her imprisoned.

 

   I don't see Dr. John Watson taking those kinds of steps...or even being so bad a husband that he would drive a woman away. His wife would have more freedom then she would know what to do with....him being away...a lot...being the partner in crime to one Sherlock Holmes....or tucked away in his study writing up the lasted escapades of these two worthies.

[T.o.b.y]

Sadly, Doyle doesn't make much of Mary's death except that it was "a sad bereavement". 

 

   Childbirth isn't farfetched....nor is an out break of diphtheria or typhoid fever, all too common in Victorian England. Some "scholars' have speculated that it may have been separation, not by death, but by divorce....extremely rare and very difficult for a woman to get. A run-a-way wife was hunted down....by law...returned to her husband...and he could in turn do what he wished for punishment..even having her imprisoned.

 

   I don't see Dr. John Watson taking those kinds of steps...or even being so bad a husband that he would drive a woman away. His wife would have more freedom then she would know what to do with....him being away...a lot...being the partner in crime to one Sherlock Holmes....or tucked away in his study writing up the lasted escapades of these two worthies.

 

Thank you! Very interesting.

 

Strictly speaking, we don't even know whether it was Mary at all whom the two friends were talking about. Just some loss, and that it was sad. Period. We just assume that it was Mary, because Mrs Watson isn't mentioned any more and Dr Watson moves back to Baker St and resumes the life of an unattached man.

 

While I think that "Mrs Watson died, probably in childbirth, and her husband was heartbroken" is the most likely interpretation of the original, I think almost any adaptation that has John Watson lose something would be legitimate. So I do wonder what the same writing team who claim to think that it is inferred in "Charles Augustus Milverton" that it was actually Holmes who shot the villain, will make of that little paragraph... One might even argue that it's already been dealt with! Because John did lose Mary, in a way, when he found out that she never existed in the first place and that he was married to a mysterious stranger with a shady past instead. And Sherlock's manner of sympathizing and dealing with that situation is very Holmes-y.

 

If the pregnancy is real (and I don't see why it shouldn't be), I do hope that at least the child will be left in peace and survive. If Mary dies, I'll be a bit sad (for John, mostly, to be honest - I love how Mrs Abbington plays her and I do like her, but she is so nebulous a figure at the moment that I find it hard to really love her), but if they kill off an innocent infant, I won't like it one bit, even though I have no clue how to fit the poor thing into the little Sherlock universe. I do like the suggestion somebody made around here a while ago that the Holmes parents could take care of Miss Watson. That's a sweet idea, especially since they probably won't ever have grandchildren of their own (though you never know - with Sherlock, it's always the unexpected, remember).

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

I did find one interesting tidbit tucked away in an dissertation on Watson and on how many wives he may or may not have had (Six by the author's estimation) but anyway.  One reason why Watson was away from Baker Street so much...and why Holmes made one hasty departure and stayed away for a week. on St Valentine's Day, no less....was because Watson was always bringing women home.....but never marrying them...legally...that is...which is interesting...because that fits the "Mary..not Mary so not legally married" scenario right down to the ground. Here's the link to that paper for anyone who is interested in taking a look at it.

 

                  http://www.sherlockpeoria.net/Who_is_Sherlock/WatsonsWives.html

[Redbeard]

Wow interesting article.  Can't see that 6th one happening on our Sherlock though ! 

 

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Gees no, I can't see that either.

[Arcadia]

I don't even want to.

[jesskayding]

Ewwwww. EXTREME Cougar!!! No no no no no no no no no no no no Nooooooo! Please No!

[jesskayding]

So disgusting.

[jesskayding]

The length of time between series..the woman who plays Mrs. Hudson would be dead by then. I guess he could have a ceremony with a veil on her urn.

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

She's a sweet lady and the boy's love her dearly....but no....she doesn't look like John's type at all.

[T.o.b.y]

I can't even see that happening to the original characters. Not at all. It seems pretty far fetched. As for the rest, my personal theory is that Doyle simply couldn't be arsed to keep his dates straight. He didn't even bother to remember the location of Dr Watson's war wound. And the doctor always writes "my marriage" or "my wife". Not "my first / second / third" marriage or wife. And if there had been anything wrong or unpleasant about his matrimonial affairs, he wouldn't have mentioned them at all.

 

Anyway, of course I would never, ever want to see John getting into bed with "our" Mrs Hudson. Gach. Neither do I want to see five more weddings, no matter how much I liked The Sign of Three. Lets keep John and Mary, and if she ever leaves the picture, then he can just have girl friends again, because nowadays, thank god you don't have to marry anybody you fancy having sex with.

 

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Hear, hear.

[jesskayding]

I can't even see that happening to the original characters. Not at all. It seems pretty far fetched. As for the rest, my personal theory is that Doyle simply couldn't be arsed to keep his dates straight. He didn't even bother to remember the location of Dr Watson's war wound. And the doctor always writes "my marriage" or "my wife". Not "my first / second / third" marriage or wife. And if there had been anything wrong or unpleasant about his matrimonial affairs, he wouldn't have mentioned them at all.

 

Anyway, of course I would never, ever want to see John getting into bed with "our" Mrs Hudson. Gach. Neither do I want to see five more weddings, no matter how much I liked The Sign of Three. Lets keep John and Mary, and if she ever leaves the picture, then he can just have girl friends again, because nowadays, thank god you don't have to marry anybody you fancy having sex with.

Well since Mary is his 5th wife... He would only get married one more time... I think Steve does well demonstrating Dr. Watson's love for women well... He's always bringing ladies around. So much so that he himself couldn't keep up with his playboy behavior... "I'll let your dog out"... " I don't have a dog"... "...that was the other one"... "I'll call you then"... " No"...

[Arcadia]

The length of time between series..the woman who plays Mrs. Hudson would be dead by then. I guess he could have a ceremony with a veil on her urn.

Oh gawd, this one made me laugh so hard I almost hurt myself. Brilliant.

[jesskayding]

Yes I thought what I said was quite funny. Thanks for laughing with me.

[jesskayding]

 

The length of time between series..the woman who plays Mrs. Hudson would be dead by then. I guess he could have a ceremony with a veil on her urn.

Oh gawd, this one made me laugh so hard I almost hurt myself. Brilliant.

Look at us both. Starting to post like two Britt's. I using quite as an adjective & you using Brilliant to compliment a statement as a full sentence.

[Bendydoodle Cantaloupe]

You know, I'd like to see more tag-team deductions with Sherlock and Mycroft! That bit in TEH was just fantastic, with all the brotherly banter and such.

[jesskayding]

You know, I'd like to see more tag-team deductions with Sherlock and Mycroft! That bit in TEH was just fantastic, with all the brotherly banter and such.

Yes please.

[jesskayding]

Earlier I mentioned how I'd like to see him with a pipe in his mouth or smoking one..

 

I came across this shop & look, it's like SIP... "It's a 3 patch problem."

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

"It is quite a three pipe problem" is a quote from the original Sherlock Holmes. The three patch line was an updated version because Sherlock is....was....supposed to be trying to quite smoking...and he doesn't smoke a pipe....haven't seen any evidence of a pipe yet...anyway.

[Zain]

I can't even see that happening to the original characters. Not at all. 

 

Anyway, of course I would never, ever want to see John getting into bed with "our" Mrs Hudson. Gach. Neither do I want to see five more weddings, no matter how much I liked The Sign of Three. Lets keep John and Mary, and if she ever leaves the picture, then he can just have girl friends again, because nowadays, thank god you don't have to marry anybody you fancy having sex with.

 

May I heartily disagree?

Let's not keep John and Mary, and if she ever leaves the picture, then can he just decide to abstain, because his women always annoyed me, they so do not matter for the plot. I really could not care less who John spends his free time with (anybody but Mary who just disgusts me since HLV), as long as he does it off-screen. Or let him go back to Sarah, at least she took not away that much screen time, and most of her appearances were plot-driven.

 

Also, it does not necessarily have to be Mrs Hudson. If that analysis is right, then any woman that is "essential" for Sherlock (to make him feel abandoned) would do. Like Molly. Not that I am a big fan of John/Molly, but it would be at least practical. The screen time would be used for plot details and not feel like lost minutes, when we already get so few.

Not that I believe they will take that direction. Just, Molly would fit the bill. 

[Arcadia]

 

 

The length of time between series..the woman who plays Mrs. Hudson would be dead by then. I guess he could have a ceremony with a veil on her urn.

Oh gawd, this one made me laugh so hard I almost hurt myself. Brilliant.

 

Look at us both. Starting to post like two Britt's. I using quite as an adjective & you using Brilliant to compliment a statement as a full sentence.

 

I have a friend who spent some time in England, now she uses "Brilliant!" all the time, I think I picked it up from her!

[jesskayding]

"It is quite a three pipe problem" is a quote from the original Sherlock Holmes. The three patch line was an updated version because Sherlock is....was....supposed to be trying to quite smoking...and he doesn't smoke a pipe....haven't seen any evidence of a pipe yet...anyway.

Oh