What would you like to see in series 4?

[Bendydoodle Cantaloupe]

I say we need more equal rep! You know, maybe give Molly and other women bigger parts, or maybe add in characters of different ethnicities!

[Carol the Dabbler]

They've been saying that female characters will indeed have a larger role in Series 4.  But note what they've done to Mary Morstan, and be careful what you wish for!

 

[Zain]

That's exactly what I am afraid of. I didn't mind Irene, because her appearance was only for an episode. She was the subject matter, yes, but her importance was limited. I could enjoy it, because I knew that she would not become a constant. Sherlock is a bit slow-paced, and that is fine, because it focuses on two characters. You need to slow down once you start to go into introspection mode. But that doesn't work if you overcrowd a series. There are only "limited" places on stage, and even the auditorium does only hold a limited amount of seats. Characters like Henry Knight or Irene Adler may enter the stage, but they are not there to stay. If they did, you'd lose either pace or depth. I'd love to have Irene around for another episode, but I would be rather sceptical if she became a regular. The format just imho does not work for more than two main characters. It is very character-driven, and centered. That's quite a strong base, but a tight rope. You have to believe in this format, there's not much room to fiddle with the controls.

 

Just like with Molly: She's a great character, but she's great, because she is not dragged into the show's spot light. She is allowed to be there, the mortuary is her stage, and thus she becomes a character of her own (untold) story rather than being dragged into Sherlock's.

 

I just do not think it's a good idea to drag the women into the spotlight for the sake of equality. That's discrimination in itself, somehow. In a way, it says that the character only needs to become important because of their gender, not because they have got a story to tell. (Though I am sure Molly and Irene have a story to tell. I was referring to the writers' statements which was far more general.) I'd rather have a great case in a monastery than a mediocre one just to get a more equal male : female ratio. If you tell a story, you should tell it, because it deserves to be told, and because there's this burning feeling inside of you that won't stop screaming "Write this."

If they have a great story like this in mind, then I am the last to object. I do hope so, I do hope this is not just about the gender inequality.

 

[T.o.b.y]

That's exactly what I am afraid of. I didn't mind Irene, because her appearance was only for an episode. She was the subject matter, yes, but her importance was limited. I could enjoy it, because I knew that she would not become a constant. Sherlock is a bit slow-paced, and that is fine, because it focuses on two characters. You need to slow down once you start to go into introspection mode. But that doesn't work if you overcrowd a series. There are only "limited" places on stage, and even the auditorium does only hold a limited amount of seats. Characters like Henry Knight or Irene Adler may enter the stage, but they are not there to stay. If they did, you'd lose either pace or depth. I'd love to have Irene around for another episode, but I would be rather sceptical if she became a regular. The formate just imho does not work for more than two main characters. It is very character-driven, and centered. That's quite a strong base, but a tight rope. You have to believe in this formate, there's not much room to fiddle with the controls.

 

Just like with Molly: She's a great character, but she's great, because she is not dragged into the show's spot light. She is allowed to be there, the mortuary is her stage, and thus she becomes a character of her own (untold) story rather than being dragged into Sherlock's.

 

I just do not think it's a good idea to drag the women into the spotlight for the sake of equality. That's discrimination in itself, somehow. In a way, it says that the character only needs to become important because of their gender, not because they have got a story to tell. (Though I am sure Molly and Irene have a story to tell. I was referring to the writers' statements which was far more general.) I'd rather have a great case in a monastery than a mediocre one just to get a more equal male : female ratio. If you tell a story, you should tell it, because it deserves to be told, and because there's this burning feeling inside of you that won't stop screaming "Write this."

If they have a great story like this in mind, then I am the last to object. I do hope so, I do hope this is not just about the gender inequality.

 

AMEN! You put it very well, and this is exactly why I neither want them to puff the female characters (or any minor characters) up, and why I also do not want a new major character (apart from a new villain rather than a resurrected Moriarty), and certainly no third Holmes brother!

 

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

I wouldn't mind a third brother (or a first sister) as long as they're interesting and just pop in now and then, like Mycroft.  I enjoy having such a solid bunch of supporting characters.  But I agree with Zain, let's keep the primary focus on Sherlock and John.

 

Somehow, I doubt that'll ever be a problem.

 

[Bendydoodle Cantaloupe]

What if the third Holmes sibling was... normal, though?

[Arcadia]

They've been saying that female characters will indeed have a larger role in Series 4.  But note what they've done to Mary Morstan, and be careful what you wish for!

Y'know, I've seen that quote in about 4 different articles now, and I'm not convinced it refers to S4, but to S3. I don't remember the specifics but it's something to do with Mrs. Hudson and verb tense, I believe. Anyway, I don't put too much faith in it.

 

What if the third Holmes sibling was... normal, though?

We'd all fall asleep whenever s/he was on screen?

[T.o.b.y]

What if the third Holmes sibling was... normal, though?

 

Funny, the thought just occurred to me too, today: What if the third Holmes brother (or the Holmes sister) was a perfectly ordinary human being of average intelligence?

 

I think I'd quite like that. But my favorite theory on that head is still: "It was Moriarty and he is dead".

[Bendydoodle Cantaloupe]

Maybe the reason why Moriarty and Sherlock are so alike is because they're twins!

[jesskayding]

I want to see the introduction of a new super villain in Season 4. Wouldn't it be crazy if Mother Holmes turned out to be some kind of super villain. Mwaa ha ha ha ha ha.

[jesskayding]

 

I would love more mind palace scenes. And I can't help wishing they'd do one where Sherlock and Irene dance. I'd love to see him dance, and I don't think his physical life will afford him an opportunity any time soon, but I bet they could make a really cool and beautiful scene with that, something surreal and lovely.

 

While I'm apparently the only one who's not super-keen on Mind Palace scenes (they work really well sometimes, but in my opinion they've been a bit overdone), I would love to see that one (just as long as they don't drag it on too long).

 

I either read it or saw it somewhere. The wording I remember is that they dont PLAN on bringing the Woman back, so who knows... Hopefully thier plans will change. 

 

Yes, and Moriarty is dead.      We'll see.

 

The problem I've noticed with some articles is that instead of quoting someone, they paraphrase what they said.  Or at least they think they've paraphrased it.  It's dangerous to base interpretation on a paraphrased statement.

 

 

 

 

Please keep him dead. Pleeeeeaaaaaseee Steve & Mark, pleeeeeaaaase!!!!

[Carol the Dabbler]

I want to see the introduction of a new super villain in Season 4. Wouldn't it be crazy if Mother Holmes turned out to be some kind of super villain. Mwaa ha ha ha ha ha.

 

Please keep [Moriarty] dead. Pleeeeeaaaaaseee Steve & Mark, pleeeeeaaaase!!!!

 

Considering that the original Professor Moriarty wrote a book titled The Dynamics of an Asteroid and Mummy Holmes wrote a book called The Dynamics of Combustion, it's beginning to look like she could be the real Moriarty -- which I assume would delight you on both counts!

 

[jesskayding]

Oh yeah! Nyum nyum nyum nyum nyum.

[Janie]

And all the time she wanted to kill her own son! Yes, that would definitely work

[jesskayding]

And all the time she wanted to kill her own son! Yes, that would definitely work

 

 

Susan Smith. Actually it seems there have been several deadly mothers over the years. How genius. Fooling her own children into thinking she's ordinary.

[Janie]

Yes, I know things like that can happen but really, I don't see that happening in Sherlock. Not even Mofftiss would be that cruel.

[jesskayding]

I don't know. They said it will be really dark & horrifying.

[T.o.b.y]

Lets hope not! Really, I'd love to see more of Mummy, and I'm all for female characters who are a bit older and whose main purpose in the narrative is not "love interest", but I really don't like the idea of her being a villain.

 

Hmmm... Maybe the Christmas special will let us know why the Holmes don't usually celebrate Christmas together. I wouldn't mind a few anecdotes about the terrible Christmas dinners Mycroft alludes to in A Study in Pink.

[Janie]

I don't know. They said it will be really dark & horrifying.

 

Well, they lie all the time, don't they?

[jesskayding]

Hay. I'm just trying to figure out what would be horrifying.

 

Sally Donovan has been a pawn of Moriarty's the entire time?

[Janie]

But I want Mummy Holmes to find out who shot Sherlock. I want to see her turning absolutely monstrous! 

[jesskayding]

 

I want to see the introduction of a new super villain in Season 4. Wouldn't it be crazy if Mother Holmes turned out to be some kind of super villain. Mwaa ha ha ha ha ha.

Please keep [Moriarty] dead. Pleeeeeaaaaaseee Steve & Mark, pleeeeeaaaase!!!!

Considering that the original Professor Moriarty wrote a book titled The Dynamics of an Asteroid and Mummy Holmes wrote a book called The Dynamics of Combustion, it's beginning to look like she could be the real Moriarty -- which I assume would delight you on both counts!

 

Carol makes a really good comparison here with Moriarty & Mother Holmes. Now consider this, why did Steve have to point out that she wrote this book ( this ordinary person). They're planning on doing something with her character. Maybe it's time to regulate on her ungrateful sons, who are blatant in their disrespect towards her. "She understands very little", so they think.

 

Mwah ha ha ha ha ha.

[jesskayding]

But I want Mummy Holmes to find out who shot Sherlock. I want to see her turning absolutely monstrous!

Me likey.

[T.o.b.y]

But I want Mummy Holmes to find out who shot Sherlock. I want to see her turning absolutely monstrous! 

 

And I am at least curious about that. I wonder what would really happen if Mummy found out. I also really wonder whether Mycroft knows. On the one hand, I can't imagine him not knowing something like that. On the other hand, if he did know, then would he really act so calm about it all? Mycroft may be a cold fish in general, but he's been shown to be pretty anxious about his little brother's safety.

 

I wonder what the "official" version of events when Sherlock got shot was, anyway.

 

[Bendydoodle Cantaloupe]

Hay. I'm just trying to figure out what would be horrifying.

 

Sally Donovan has been a pawn of Moriarty's the entire time?

 

That would explain her great distaste towards Sherlock, and why she was hellbent on making everyone think Sherlock was a child kidnapper.