What would you like to see in series 4?

[Carol the Dabbler]

We're talking about romantic pairings.  Specifically, ones that might not work.

 

[Zain]

 

 

Hmmm... could it be that you don't like Jane Eyre, either? Now, I wonder why... I love her, she's one of my favorite characters in literature, and I think her romance is deeply satisfying.

 

I wish Mycroft would swagger off to somewhere. Maybe he and Mary can elope? Is there a Mary / Mycroft fraction of Sherlock fans? Oh dear, I do wish my mind would just shut up sometimes.

 

 

 

Oh, god, no. Jane Eyre is a beautiful work, indeed. One of the greatest, I'd even say. It took me some courage to go through some of those so-called classics, but there is pleasure to be found between those lines. I was merely referring to the scene before Jane left in the middle of the night, the one with Mr Rochester. The dialogue made me laugh quite hard the first time I read it. It was just too much for me to take it seriously ^^ And I simply attempted to say that I would not mind if they put a scene like that into it, because it probably would be well-received with the majority of the audience. As long as she was gone at the end of the episode, and her airplane does not return....

 

Oh, Toby, most of the "Mystrade" fanbase would deeply resent your views on "Mycroft is no dating material." And I don't know if there's fiction to be found about him and Mary, but there's definitely the Sherlock/Mycroft fanbase, as well as the Mycroft/John part of the fandom. I think there are even a few Mycroft/Umbrella works out there. I think I once was very amused when I read this pairing tag.

[Bendydoodle Cantaloupe]

 

I wish Mycroft would swagger off to somewhere. Maybe he and Mary can elope? Is there a Mary / Mycroft fraction of Sherlock fans? Oh dear, I do wish my mind would just shut up sometimes.

 

Ah! Let me enlighten you, then!

 

[british storyteller voice] A little time ago I happened upon a most curious ship -- John/Mycroft. It was then in the night that these 'Johncroft' shippers struck, their motto being 'Johnlock by day, Johncroft by night' as they terrorised the other shippers and converted many a poor fellow. In retaliation, the 'Marycroft' faction was formed, albeit very briefly -- they stormed the Johncroft tag for a brief foray and left just as quickly. As far as I know, they are yet to return.

 

But maybe, if you are lucky, you can search up 'Marycroft' on Tumblr and find fanmade things for it.

[Bendydoodle Cantaloupe]

Oh, Toby, most of the "Mystrade" fanbase would deeply resent your views on "Mycroft is no dating material." And I don't know if there's fiction to be found about him and Mary, but there's definitely the Sherlock/Mycroft fanbase, as well as the Mycroft/John part of the fandom. I think there are even a few Mycroft/Umbrella works out there. I think I once was very amused when I read this pairing tag.

 

Well, always remember Rule 34.

[Arcadia]

.... Of course, all the future series may turn out to be aberrations, each in its own special way!

I hope so! I like Sherlock unpredictable!

[T.o.b.y]

 

Oh, Toby, most of the "Mystrade" fanbase would deeply resent your views on "Mycroft is no dating material." And I don't know if there's fiction to be found about him and Mary, but there's definitely the Sherlock/Mycroft fanbase, as well as the Mycroft/John part of the fandom.

 

Oh my... Is there a barf emoticon? If so, imagine it here.

 

How does one go about imagining a love life for Mycroft? He's barely human! Really, he's funny and has great lines and all that, and he provides some wonderful opportunities for Sherlock to show the immature and petulant side of his personality, but seen by himself, I think he's rather flat. He's the only character on the series whom I do not find believable; he's more like something borrowed from a sitcom.

 

If the next series (or any series) can manage to turn Sherlock's big brother into a three-dimensional character whom I can feel for, then I'll really take my hat off to this team. But I doubt it. Something tells me it is not his purpose. As for really liking Mycroft, I am afraid that ship sailed for me when I watched the torture scene. Yeah, I know I keep bitching about that, but it really is for me what Mary's shot is for some others: Unacceptable.

 

Ugh, Sherlock / Mycroft must be the most disturbing pairing I've ever heard of. It's all the worse because if you imagine a version of the world these characters live in where sex is an issue, then it's not like the idea is so terribly far fetched. Who knows what other strange tastes that creep might have besides watching his half-naked brother being beaten to a pulp. UGH! UGH! Caya, where can I get that brainbleach you're always referring to?

 

 

 

 

 

[Zain]

 

 

How does one go about imagining a love life for Mycroft? He's barely human! Really, he's funny and has great lines and all that, and he provides some wonderful opportunities for Sherlock to show the immature and petulant side of his personality, but seen by himself, I think he's rather flat. He's the only character on the series whom I do not find believable; he's more like something borrowed from a sitcom.

 

If the next series (or any series) can manage to turn Sherlock's big brother into a three-dimensional character whom I can feel for, then I'll really take my hat off to this team. But I doubt it. Something tells me it is not his purpose. As for really liking Mycroft, I am afraid that ship sailed for me when I watched the torture scene. Yeah, I know I keep bitching about that, but it really is for me what Mary's shot is for some others: Unacceptable.

 

 

Caya, where can I get that brainbleach you're always referring to?

 

The brainbleach is not available in your country.... And GEMA is rejoicing, it's not their fault for once.

 

See, there's something you can wish for in s4. More introspection to get a deeper reading of Mycroft.

 

I think I may have written this before, and if I did, I am sorry to bore you, just skip the next sentences:

I do think Mycroft grew over their heads. He wasn't supposed to play such a major role, it simply happened that a good portion of the fandom took a liking to him. If you go back to the first season, he actually had a VERY minor role. Then there's the fact that Gatiss is very good at portraying this kind of person who is neither betraying their emotions nor their intentions.

It's true that they never gave much background information, and I think they realized that the character grew over their heads. They forgot to define him, and thus the fandom defined him in a way that demanded more attention to Mycroft.

Season 2 did give us some insight (mostly ASiB), then there's the brother-family approach in s3. Most of Mycroft's characterization is still very head canon-y for the fandom, because it's still not enough to get a clear "reading" of him. But I do think they are slowly penning in details to make him "round." That is what I think is most interesting about him, apart from his strange relationship with his brother: Mycroft is still in development. To me, it seems like they are still unsure how to place him, because he somehow got out of this neat role they originally had intended for him. Now he does not quite fit anymore. They seek to define him between those two extremes shown in HLV, the loving brother, and the uncaring, ruthless official. Again, he's neither, and neither role fits him. He's this kind of inbetween that is ugly to name, because it's a bit of both, and still nothing as easy to be named as "black" or "white."

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

.... Of course, all the future series may turn out to be aberrations, each in its own special way!

I hope so! I like Sherlock unpredictable!

 

Just hopefully not quite so unpredictable as to be semi-unrecognizable! I'd hate for Sherlock to feel more like an anthology than an actual series (in the American sense of "series").

 

Oh my... Is there a barf emoticon? If so, imagine it here.

No imagination required!     For those with no access to the smiley menu, the code is  : sick :  (omit the internal spaces).

[Arcadia]

I think in S4 I would like to see Sherlock do more disguises/fake personalities. Not so much because I want to see Sherlock acting parts, so much as I want to see Benedict acting them.

 

And I want at least one episode to be at least as funny as TEH. Just saw it again recently, I tend to remember the more somber bits but it's an insanely funny episode. Which was perfect for me, after the downer of TRF. What a great way to get back into the show.

[Zain]

I think in S4 I would like to see Sherlock do more disguises/fake personalities. Not so much because I want to see Sherlock acting parts, so much as I want to see Benedict acting them.

 

 

 

Oh, what about Sherlock as a pilot? I thought those parts were the most funny about Catch Me If You Can, and it would be a really nice intertextual reference to Cabin Pressure.

[Caya]

 

Ugh, Sherlock / Mycroft must be the most disturbing pairing I've ever heard of. It's all the worse because if you imagine a version of the world these characters live in where sex is an issue, then it's not like the idea is so terribly far fetched. Who knows what other strange tastes that creep might have besides watching his half-naked brother being beaten to a pulp. UGH! UGH! Caya, where can I get that brainbleach you're always referring to?

 

Here you go:

 

I'm with you there, btw. I actually like Mycroft a lot and Game of Thrones has taught me that a skilled writer can even manage to describe incest in a non- way, but this particular pairing .... bleaaargh.

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Yeah, I find incestuous pairings especially abhorrent.

[sfmpco]

I would like to see more of what Sherlock can do besides his savant-like deductions.  But it's hard to say exactly what other skills they have built into his character.  I wouldn't mind seeing some flashbacks of his dismantling the Moriarty network - and I DON'T mean that Anderson version of MANY HAPPY RETURNS which has about as much credibility in my mind as Anderson's bunjee jumping Sherlock in TEH.  

 

 

[Bendydoodle Cantaloupe]

Well, he specializes in tailoring insults to offend someone in the worst way.

[T.o.b.y]

I would love more mind palace scenes. And I can't help wishing they'd do one where Sherlock and Irene dance. I'd love to see him dance, and I don't think his physical life will afford him an opportunity any time soon, but I bet they could make a really cool and beautiful scene with that, something surreal and lovely.

[jesskayding]

That would be wonderful. Apparently it would only happen in the mind palace, per they don't plan on bringing the Woman back...  :'( 

[Zain]

Don't they? Did they explicitly say that? That comes as a surprise to me, to be honest. There have been quite a few hints at Irene Adler's "continued existence" in the third season, like the opera house reference, as well as the flowers in the hospital room. Or the Poland reference. I actually expected her back for the next season, and to be somehow related to the "East Wind."

Sherlock and Irene dancing.... I CAN imagine that, but it looks more like wolves circling each other  Well, in my fantasy, at least. Would be a rather tense scene... yes, I'd love that.

[jesskayding]

I either read it or saw it somewhere. The wording I remember is that they dont PLAN on bringing the Woman back, so who knows... Hopefully thier plans will change. 

[Zain]

Okay, maybe I am sh.. at googling in the middle of the night, but the only statements I could find were a bit older: Moffat basically says she's alive, and could return any time, but he'd rather tell other stories first. That's from 2013, mind you, not quite recent.

 

Pulver said something similar, which boils down to "Irene Adler - not dead" and "not in season 3, there are other stories to be told."

 

Both are diplomatic answers, which carry no true meaning whatsoever. It's the kind of answer they usually learn by heart to give a stunning performance, in which they recite it like a school kid does a poem.: With the same intonation pattern every time they are asked to spew out their text.

 

If you stumble across the interview or web-chat or whatever your excerpt is from, could you put it up? Maybe it's more recent. But I don't think there's a real answer out there. You don't really get new information apart from updates, and well, dates, once the last series aired and the filming for the next one is not yet finished up. Well, it sounds better anyway to say "Oh, we got plans, it's so much fun, and we have already planned everything up to season 5" than to admit "yeah, I am stuck and I spent most nights with sitting at my desk and drawing stick men on paper, because I just don't like what I write. So far, we edited the draft of the first scene of the first episode 14 times,  and the dialogue still doesn't quite work, the flow is too heavy, oh, and if you are interested in the organizing, the catering service cancelled today, so we got to organize another one. Don't ask me about what characters will appear: Whatever is convenient. Then I will think about what I'd LIKE to write."

 

[jesskayding]

http://www.latintimes.com/sherlock-season-4-air-date-will-irene-adler-return-plus-13-huge-spoilers-190850

 

this is  a recent add that points out that Janine will be back in season 4. I'm going to find that interview by Gatis, were he said that about the woman, it's actually posted under the Emmys thread i believe.

[jesskayding]

I can't find the one where I believe its Mark who says they're not Planning on bringing the woman back. I felt bummed when I saw that. Just like I won't be happy if they put Sherlock & Molly together. To me that would be selling out to fandom, vs sticking to true Sherlock form. She's way too sentimental, there's no way he could stand a relationship with her. They would have to drastically change the personality of one of those characters. Please don't let it be Sherlock.

 

Anyway here's a mention of why they're hesitant to bring back Irene Adler.

 

 

http://www.kdramastars.com/articles/16248/20140225/sherlock-holmes-season-4-spoilers.htm

[T.o.b.y]

I can't find the one where I believe its Mark who says they're not Planning on bringing the woman back. I felt bummed when I saw that. Just like I won't be happy if they put Sherlock & Molly together. To me that would be selling out to fandom, vs sticking to true Sherlock form. She's way too sentimental, there's no way he could stand a relationship with her. They would have to drastically change the personality of one of those characters. Please don't let it be Sherlock.

 

I like to think I won't be happy if they put Sherlock and anybody together. But you never know, or at least I never know. If I had known beforehand what happens in series 3 and what some of the dialogue is, I wouldn't have thought I'd like that, and I in fact didn't particularly like either The Empty Hearse or His Last Vow on the first viewing. And now I love series 3!

 

These actors are just so damn good. They can make scenes work that I would have spat on if I knew them only on paper. Especially Louise Brealey and Benedict Cumberbatch. Believe me, I am in no way in favor of hooking Sherlock up with Molly. Really not. My idea of Sherlock, relationship-wise, is "permanently single, loves John, is sexually attracted to Irene and has some kind of sick morbid fascination with James Moriarty". But I do have to admit that every time Sherlock and Molly interact on screen, I pause whatever I might be doing, lean forward, eyes glued to the screen, and soak up every word and look. When I first saw "The Empty Hearse", I spent the first half complaining and complaining until my husband threatened to turn off the computer. Then came the scene on the staircase where she asks him "what was today about", and after that was over, I leaned back happily and said "oh, whew, they've still got it".

 

So, while I really hope there will be no pairing for Sherlock, and I wouldn't even choose Molly first if there had to be one, I can imagine reconciling myself to almost anything these two act out...

 

[Arcadia]

Yeah, the acting pretty much makes me accept everything they throw at us (at least until my idiot brain barges in). The whole cast shines, really.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I would love more mind palace scenes. And I can't help wishing they'd do one where Sherlock and Irene dance. I'd love to see him dance, and I don't think his physical life will afford him an opportunity any time soon, but I bet they could make a really cool and beautiful scene with that, something surreal and lovely.

 

While I'm apparently the only one who's not super-keen on Mind Palace scenes (they work really well sometimes, but in my opinion they've been a bit overdone), I would love to see that one (just as long as they don't drag it on too long).

 

I either read it or saw it somewhere. The wording I remember is that they dont PLAN on bringing the Woman back, so who knows... Hopefully thier plans will change. 

 

Yes, and Moriarty is dead.      We'll see.

 

The problem I've noticed with some articles is that instead of quoting someone, they paraphrase what they said.  Or at least they think they've paraphrased it.  It's dangerous to base interpretation on a paraphrased statement.

[jesskayding]

Hay I hope that they will figure out how to bring Irene back. I don't think ill be too dissapointed if it remains in his mind palace. If he does end up in a relationship, i'd prefer it be with her or someone equally as devious. The Woman, kept Sherlock fascinated... That's what I would want for him.