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Series 4 (and Special) Speculation


T.o.b.y

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Suddenly this line popped up in my head:

 

JOHN: Oh, blame it on the illustrator. He’s out of control. I’ve had to grow this moustache just so people’ll recognise me.

 

So the scene must have been some time into the story, so John's 'stache had time to grow... :P

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Hm. I wonder if that's why this story wouldn't fit into the modern retelling ... because it takes place over a really long period of time?

 

On the other hand, wasn't there something about the special taking place in 1895? Although I suppose the main action could take place in a short time frame, with other time frames spread out around it .... oh lovely, now I'm counter-arguing against my counter-argument ...

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10 Most Outrageous Fan Theories. I think I've heard all of these except the first one, but it's still fun to see them rounded up. Although I could do without the "over-enthusiastic fans" remark. Why not just "enthusiastic fans"?

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Having not been around for the filming of the previous series, how long does it normally take them to film 3 episodes?

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I'm just saying... it's looking like Hiddles is free around April.  Kong should be done filming by then, and he doesn't film Thor 3 until June.  Time for a cameo, mayhaps?   

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3-4 months if I remember correctly from what they've said in interviews & behind the scenes stuff.

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Having not been around for the filming of the previous series, how long does it normally take them to film 3 episodes?

 

3-4 months if I remember correctly from what they've said in interviews & behind the scenes stuff.

 

Right, probably more toward the 4, counting the read-throughs and everything else the actors are involved in.

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Remember those Setlock pictures of John and Mary in a cemetery, wearing the same clothes as in the airfield scene at the end of "Last Vow"?  Sherlock was nowhere to be seen, was he?  It just occurred to me -- maybe that took place just before the airfield scene, which would explain Sherlock's absence.

 

On the other hand, maybe Sherlock was whisked away by Mycroft as soon as his plane landed, leaving John and Mary alone to do -- whatever it is they're doing at that cemetery.  Which leads me to wonder whether they might be checking Moriarty's grave ( though how they would be able to tell whether or not he's actually in it is beyond me!).

 

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Right now I'm leaning towards

A) that filming was a red herring, it was never meant to be in the special

2 - after they filmed it, they changed their minds about having a scene in the modern setting

3rd: we all dreamed it.

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I just ran across this in another forum and thought some of you might enjoy it. Since I haven't read the story, I can't verify the accuracy of the plot description; maybe one of you folks who is more familiar with the canon than I am can do that.

 

The theory is that Mary is Birdy Edwards from the Valley of Fear. I'll paraphrase it here:

 

Birdy Edwards is an American who was once a Pinkerton detective, who infiltrated and brought down a murderous gang called the Scowrers. He fled to England to escape their revenge. He changed his name, started a new life, remarried (his first wife had died) and tried to lie low.


Edwards posed as a gang member to gain the respect and trust of the head of the Scowrers. He was branded with a symbol which identified him as a member of the secret criminal organization. Edwards had to do many terrible, violent things to maintain his reputation in the gang. Sometimes he would be ordered to kill someone but he would do his best to help them get away from the gang. He still committed many violent acts so as not to blow his own cover. He also had to lie to the woman he loved.
 

So, we have Mary, who isn't English, apparently affiliated with a Pinkerton-like agency (CIA), has fled to England, changed her name, started a new life, and gotten married. She has a secret tattoo, she's done some bad/violent things, and she's lied to the man she loves.

 

Hmmmm.

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I'm sure T.o.b.y will agree with that -- back a year or two ago, she was rooting for Mary to turn out to be Birdy Edwards.  You might be interested in comparing her rationale to what you've already read (here and here).

 

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Yup, you have a far better memory than I! I'm sure I read all that, but it's all new again to me now. :smile: Anyway, I agree with Toby, I'd find that a satisfying back story for Mary.

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Her real name could even be Birdy Edwards, since that sounds like a perfectly good woman's name to me.  (And A.G.R.A. could be the initials of the alias she was using at the time she recorded that flash drive.)

 

I'd love it, especially if they borrow Birdy's great revelation scene!  (When I read Valley of Fear, that plot twist took me totally by surprise.)

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I admit, the first time I heard the name Birdy Edwards, I assumed it was a woman's name! (A terrible one, though! :smile: )

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Man, I would so love it if they did a version of "The Valley of Fear" in some form. Maybe minus the fake death and the body double, because they have used that idea often enough now. But I am sure they could so something really clever with the story.

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Man, I would so love it if they did a version of "The Valley of Fear" in some form. Maybe minus the fake death and the body double, because they have used that idea often enough now. But I am sure they could so something really clever with the story.

 

I agree on the "minuses."  In fact, I kinda prefer that story without the Holmes scenes (just the American part).  Near as I recall, Valley of Fear was the only time that I was way ahead of Sherlock!

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"What we know so far about Series 4."
 
"0"

:P

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We do know it's filming starting next month and Arwel is having fun showing some of the work on 221B.

 

Yes I realize that tells us nothing about any of the episodes but setlock will give us pictures to speculate about.

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The idea of Mary-Birdy Edwards is fantastic! Expecially because that means that Mary wasn't a criminal, or better, that she acted like a criminal to make justice. :)

I admit that my suspects were that Mary had been an hired assassin or something like that, who then had changed her mind and fell in love with John. And I don't like this perspective very much. -_-

 

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I think the absolutely most surprising thing they could do with Mary is to do nothing with her at all. Just let her live in the background, raising the children, occasionally helping to research cases, and teasing Sherlock. That would make me happy, I think.

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Mmm, I don't know, I think that, for now, Mary is still an incomplete character and I feel that in this series characters like Mary, so quite relevant, can't simply be left kind of vague. I mean, she's almost mysterious as Moriarty and this is a bit disturbing for me :/

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I think now that they have begun to build a story around Mary and her past, I would like them to finish it. I would have been happy with her as just another secondary character in the background if she had really been what she seemed when John married her, but now they have left that road, I want them to give us the full story.

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I'd be perfectly happy with her sticking around and/or I'd like to know her backstory.  What I would really hate would be for them to kill her off without even explaining who she really is and how she came to be there.  That would be a terrible waste of an interesting character.

 

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