Episode 1.3, "The Great Game"

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

According to what I have been able to find out a "Queen's Messenger" handled many top secret and sensitive documents.  Now a days they act as couriers transporting files and documents between governments and such. In Sherlock Holmes's day he would have access to private transports of all kinds. Motor launches and the like

 

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen%27s_Messenger

 

 

[sfmpco]

After he gives Mycroft the memory stick, he says Mycroft threated him with a knighthood again... so maybe Sherlock is actually shunning it.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Seems to me that contemplating a knighthood might make Sherlock feel a bit like this:

 

 

All emotions, and in particular love, stand opposed to the pure, cold reason I hold above all things. A wedding is, in my considered opinion, nothing short of a celebration of all that is false and specious and irrational and sentimental in this ailing and morally compromised world.

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Yeah very old fashioned and outdated and rather useless in the consulting detective line.

[Carol the Dabbler]

A knighthood is totally pointless, really, and kinda silly -- from a strictly logical perspective.  Though he might want to consider that a lot of people are impressed by such things, so Sir Sherlock might find additional doors open to him, which might occasionally prove useful.

 

Don't think it ever happened in canon, though, so I suspect we're unlikely to see it.  Unless maybe it's offered and he turns it down, possibly in a rather ungraceful fashion!

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

 

A knighthood is totally pointless, really, and kinda silly -- from a strictly logical perspective.

 

 

No, it does seem in canon that he turned down more then one. He thought the "Sir" before his name would just, as you said, silly and probably wouldn't bring the more interesting clients and cases it being more of a deterrent then anything else.

 

 

  Unless maybe it's offered and he turns it down, possibly in a rather ungraceful fashion!

 

 

That would really, really fun to watch.

[Caya]

Maybe that's why Sherlock wants to be offered a knighthood - so he can then nonchalantly turn it down (bonus points for embarrassing Mycroft by doing so) .

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

LOL! I was thinking the same thing!

[Carol the Dabbler]

Right -- maybe he'd wait till he's told to kneel, then make a speech about the foolishness of the whole thing.    Her Majesty just might be a little put out with Mycroft at that point!

 

[sfmpco]

A bit not good.

[T.o.b.y]

A knighthood is totally pointless, really, and kinda silly -- from a strictly logical perspective.  Though he might want to consider that a lot of people are impressed by such things, so Sir Sherlock might find additional doors open to him, which might occasionally prove useful.

 

Don't think it ever happened in canon, though, so I suspect we're unlikely to see it.  Unless maybe it's offered and he turns it down, possibly in a rather ungraceful fashion!

 

I would love to see that. But I doubt that the royal family would let him anywhere near them again unless it was a dire emergency, after he went to the palace dressed in nothing but a sheet and stole an ash tray... He made his point pretty clear long ago, I'd say.

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

They did let him in though and there didn't seem to be any hard feelings. Who knows, Her Majesty might have been secretly amused. She does seem to have a sense of humor. There was that whole parachuting bit at the beginning of the London Summer Games...yes it was her in proxy...some of it. But if she would would jump out of helicopter with James Bond, she just might allow he who is not the Commonwealth a little leeway too. She might enjoy the spunk of her two favorite sons.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I doubt that they ever noticed the ashtray was missing -- they must have hundreds!  And by giving Mycroft access to Irene's phone files, Sherlock presumably saved the reputation of the "young female person."  So his reputation at the palace may not be all that tarnished.

 

[jesskayding]

After he gives Mycroft the memory stick, he says Mycroft threated him with a knighthood again... so maybe Sherlock is actually shunning it.

He didn't really hand Mycroft the memory stick, he was putting John on. Remember he had the memory stick @ the pool to bait Moriarty, so he thought.

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

He had"A" memory stick at the pool. Some people have speculated that it was a doctored version of the plans. That if Sherlock did favors for the British government, in no wise would he knowingly commit treason.

[sfmpco]

Yeah, I think he had a fake memory stick at the pool.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I can't imagine that was the real one, yeah.  Maybe Moriarty couldn't imagine that it was either, and that's why he so cavalierly tossed it into the pool.

 

So I see no reason to disbelieve what Sherlock told John.  (In that particular instance, I mean -- obviously not all the time!)

 

[jesskayding]

See I think he had the real one. He was still very immature @ this point. & really didn't know fully who he was dealing with. I mean everything he said & did during that time was a lie. Pretending to watch crap telly & by the way I'll get the groceries. He couldn't wait for John to leave so he could arrange that meeting w/ Moriarty. Whats one more very believable lie.. He threatened me with the knighthood again.

 

Clever!, so he thought until his new helpmate comes strapped with a bomb, and sniper rifles are aimed @ them. He did a lot of crazy stuff, almost got them killed. He easily breaks the law & does reprehensible acts all of the time as a means to an end.

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

He may have been younger but he was already working in ssome capacity for or with the British Government and I don't mean Mycroft. Someone in the Home Office already owes him a favor. He is given access to Buckingham Palace wrapped only in a sheet and Mycroft jumps to when his little brother says his will need equipment.

 

Sherlock may not know who Moriarty is but one thing he does know. Whoever Moriarty is he is deadly. He murdered a helpless old blind woman and several innocent people along with her. Sherlock's one goal is to bring him out of the shadows and stop him from killing again. Sherlock isn't playing Moriarty's game any more. That's why I believe the stick is a fake. He wouldn't risk state secrets.

[sfmpco]

And let's not forget that Moriarty murdered 11-yr-old Carl Powers, which means that Moriarty started young.  Did Moriarty know Sherlock at that time or at least know of him?  Has he been watching Sherlock all of these 20+ years or is that SH has unwittingly stumbled into Moriarty's puzzles and network?  I wonder.

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

So do many of us, I think. Does Moriarty's message..."I owe you a fall" go that far back?  I am hoping that one day Mofftiss will let us in on that little question.

[sfmpco]

Right because although the cabbie was brought down, largely by the Cabbie's own over-confidence,.TBB didn't really have Moriarty "falling" in any way.  And Moriarty was playing a game all the way through TGG - and was winning, quite frankly, so that didn't have a fall attached to it.  So it has to go back earlier, something never quite exposed.

 

Clearly, though, when Sherlock goes to Molly for help in TRF, he is afraid for his life because he doesn't know what's going down anymore, and because he had an idea it would be from a literal fall, he and Molly and Mycroft worked out a plan in case he had to go off the roof of Barts - and SH inviting Moriarty to the roof of Barts meant that SH was in potential control of that fall.  By why a fall... what had SH done in the past to make Moriarty fall?

 

We may never get that answer.  Or it might get really dark in S4.  

[Carol the Dabbler]

... it might get really dark in S4.

 

 

Darker than "Last Vow"?  Oh dear, gonna have to watch that with all the lights on!

 

[Convict13]

Right because although the cabbie was brought down, largely by the Cabbie's own over-confidence,.TBB didn't really have Moriarty "falling" in any way.  And Moriarty was playing a game all the way through TGG - and was winning, quite frankly, so that didn't have a fall attached to it.  So it has to go back earlier, something never quite exposed.

 

Clearly, though, when Sherlock goes to Molly for help in TRF, he is afraid for his life because he doesn't know what's going down anymore, and because he had an idea it would be from a literal fall, he and Molly and Mycroft worked out a plan in case he had to go off the roof of Barts - and SH inviting Moriarty to the roof of Barts meant that SH was in potential control of that fall.  By why a fall... what had SH done in the past to make Moriarty fall?

 

We may never get that answer.  Or it might get really dark in S4.  

 

 

Could it be something to do with the other brother Holmes?

[sfmpco]

I don't know if it would be something with the other brother because Moriarty and Sherlock are clearly both similar in age, just as the actors are, so what would the other one (and we don't even know if that would be male or female) have to do with Moriarty.  If Carl Powers died at age 11, I think Sherlock and Moriarty had to have been around 13-14 at the time.