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I think a gun shot to the head would be a bit much to fake.

Bear in mind that this Moriarty is completely nuts, and the thing he wanted most was to beat Sherlock. To suprise him with how simple the solution could be. So instead of letting Sherlock get the code to call off the assassins, he 'simply' kills himself. Problem solved, now Sherlock will just have to die.

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Insanity is operating in a different set of morals and even a different set of logical precepts than the rest of society. To us, certain things seem totally logical, and we look at them without understanding how there could ever be another way of seeing things, because they're just that cut-and-dry. I don't think Moriarty looks at things like that. Yeah, he's nuts, but...

I don't think they'll bring Moriarty back, but that might just be wishful thinking. There are so many other things they could do with this series. Sherly supposedly needs things to be clever. According to canon, he needs there to be an arch-nemesis. Does he really? And if there isn't one, then what? Is is just a steady slide into the kind of boredom that drives him to drugs, only slower and more lasting? If a lack of a case affects him one way, how will a lack of a mastermind affect him? The boredom will still be there, but it'll be steadier and inevitably deadlier.

I like looking at things first from a meta point of view, as a viewer and not part of the canon, and then the way that things would make sense to the characters and in the story itself. Like others have said, a gunshot wound to the head is a lot to fake, and maybe he's more like Sherly than Sherly cares to admit. Sherlock was going to take the pill in A Study In Pink because he wanted to prove he was smarter. He later (presumably) didn't get Greg to analyze to the pills for him, because that would be cheating, and the point was to stake his life on his intellect. Maybe that's what Moriarty was doing - staking his life on the fact that he'd won, that there was now no way that Sherlock could beat him. It was Moriarty's own sort of pill, in a way.

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I think Moriarty is definitely dead. I just don't see how he could have faked that...

Sherlock would have tried to think of every outcome possible for what he knew would be his last confrontation with Moriaty (I think he knew for a while that it would end in his death - whether real or fake) and knew that there was a possibility that Moriarty wouldn't survive either. There has been a few theories about him texting someone before he faked his death --- what if he was informing Molly that Moriarty's body was on the rooftop? After all, wouldn't Molly need a fake dead Sherlock? There was a lot of eye-witnesses that saw Sherlock 'die' so it's not like people would be lining up to identify the body. Maybe only Mycroft for that matter, and it's not like he would rat out his own brother (at least not again, if he even did the first time). People could assume Rich Brook simply went into hiding, or a witness protection program, and wanted to avoid the public after being traumatized by Sherlock.

 

Or maybe it's a much more simple explanation --- there was no reason for them to check the roof yet. Sherlock was recently proven to be a so-called-fraud, so his suicide wasn't exactly surprising. Moriarty's body just might not have been found yet.

 

If there is one thing I'm 99% sure of, it's that Moriarty is dead. The Reichenback Fall may be the last time we ever see Moriarty, but it'll be interesting to see how his actions have impacted the next series and Sherlock himself. Though I did like Moriarty, I'm a little glad he's gone. He wasn't just burning Sherlock's heart, but my own too :cry:

 

...oh, and hi, I'm new here :D

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...oh, and hi, I'm new here :D

 

 

Hello, welcome. Don't mind Sherlock, His bark is worse than his bite.

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... The Reichenback Fall may be the last time we ever see Moriarty, but it'll be interesting to see how his actions have impacted the next series and Sherlock himself....

 

...oh, and hi, I'm new here :D

 

Welcome to Sherlock Forum, amycat! That's a good point -- we'll presumably never see Moriarty again (except maybe in flashbacks), but we certainly haven't heard the last of him.

 

Hey, I like your name -- maybe because one of my cats is named Amy!

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Hey, I like your name -- maybe because one of my cats is named Amy!

 

I have heard of many strangely named cats, but I've never come across one called Amy. It puts my cat's generic name of Fluffy (creative, right?) to shame. :P

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Fluffy??!? What kind of name is Fluffy for a cat? Next you'll be claiming that you have a dog with a bizarre name like, oh, Spot or Rover! :D

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Hi,

I would like to share some thoughts with you.

When I was watching the last episode of Sherlock recently, I've noticed something that may be of interest to you.

In the scene where Sherlock rides a TAXI and watches video from Jim, he then tells the driver to stop and he sees that Jim is sitting behind the wheel. Jim without a beard.

 

That same night, Sherlock and Watson go to the journalist's house and they find Jim out there pretending to be an actor Richard Brook. This Jim has a beard (and it's at least a three-day beard, I think).

 

It is of course impossible for a beard to grow so fast.

 

 

So...how to explain such situation?

#1 director's mistake?

#2 fake beard used by Jim-The-Actor?

#3 cabbie-Jim was simply a man in a mask?

#4 Jim has a twin brother?

 

What do you think?

 

Oh and hi everyone, I'm new here :)

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Hello, Mia -- welcome to Sherlock Forum!

 

I agree with your observations, and would like to add a few more (possible) explanations:

 

#5 Jim's beard was easier to see in the second scene because Kitty's apartment had better lighting than the street did.

 

#6 Jim's beard grows more rapidly than the average man's.

 

#7 Jim's dark hair is very easy to see against his pale skin.

 

More ideas? Discussion?

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Well this is a fine rhubarb and no mistake! First of all I am trying to wrap my head around the knowledge that there are people in the world who have NOT read the ACD stories! :blink: Anyway! My take on that scene on Bart's roof, is that Moriarty felt that he HAD won the ultimate prize; Sherlock admitted that he had a dark side and was more like Moriarty than other people knew. And THAT admission was all Moriarty needed to complete his plan; deprive Sherlock of his holier than thou atitude, make Sherlock understand that they were the same kind of loony tunes. He had nothing else to exist for. Plus, if his suicide could land Sherlock with a horrible choice, i.e. having to die or seeing his three friends killed, all the better.

 

As for the lose of an arch nemisis. I know from reading ACD's original stories ( for the love of Goddess people, read!) that Sherlock loved the odd little mysteries, the curious, bizarre or just plain weird. He would also occassionaly lend a hand to various branches of the government, and, yes, he would help a lady in distress. If the BBC team decide to let Moriarty be dead the original canon is positively rife with material to use. Go team!

 

I am chomping at the bit to see what they come up with. We will all have to swallow tranqualizers to keep us cool until the end of 2013, which is when the new shows will come out.

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Jim?

He's dead and gone.

He was brilliant and I will miss him.

They'll have a hard job finding somebody to match Andrew.

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If you actually watch the part when moriaty shoots himself , sherlock closes his eyes when moriaty supposedly pulls the trigger, moriaty is a smart ,during that 1 second it may have been all he needed to do what he needed to do he could of shot in the air for all we know and then did something to make it look like he was bleeding. Sherlock didnt even check his pulse, Moriaty is still alive.

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But if you read and listen to the interviews with the actor and the writers: he is not coming back.

We may see Moriarty in flashback, butt hat is all.

Moran is the next likely villain. The Moriarty arc is over.

Besides, I don't know about you, but I personally consider 2 fake deaths to be enough.

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I belive Jim is not dead and faked his death just like Sherlock did.

Im pretty sure on this theory here:

 

 

 

Right before Moriarty "shoots" himself, you can hear a very clear shhhhhhh sound.

This is the exact same sound we heard when Moriarty sprayed the guard/officer in the crown jewels room, in his mouth in which the guard fell instantly to the ground. Moriarty rigged his gun with this spray thing, to spray himself, then shoot a blank to hear the gun shot.

A pack of fake blood in his neck did the rest.

 

 

 

 

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Was thinking about it too, even if I saw no need for any spray.

 

BUT

 

One of Anderson's Fall theories included Jim's body with a mask on. So Anderson knew Jim was on the roof, dead.

 

And welcome!

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Plastic surgery can work wonder but it is harder to falsify DNA test's result, unless the record was compromised first or there is at least one party who decide that 'James Moriarty' must die.

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