Series 3 News - the official stuff

[Carol the Dabbler]

In case anyone's looking for that trailer (which was posted a while back), here 'tis again, from Sherlockology:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UcR9iKArd0&feature=player_embedded

 

... though that's apparently not the interactive one, which I understand is to be found here.

 

[T.o.b.y]

Karie, I agree with you that the spoiler boxes are a trifle inconvenient, but on the other hand, I don't want to spoil things for the hypothetical wise person out there who isn't gobbling up every tidbit in sight, so here is another one, sorry about that.

 

 

 

 

I don't dispute that he does truly care about her.  But, from what he says in the clip, it sounds like he's talking about the one person he cares about, or that "matters" to him more than any other person. And I just don't buy that Molly is that person, no matter how fond he may be of her underneath all of his bluster.

 

I think the real explanation is that the makers of the trailer are trying to have some fun with the fans. Nobody who has anything to do with this show can be ignorant of all the speculation and wishful thinking that revolve around it's characters.

 

My own impression is so far, that Sherlock is speaking about Molly's role in helping him fake his death and disappear, not how much she means to him as a person, although I think it is pretty clear by now that she is just as close to his heart as anybody. Like you, however, I don't believe from what I've seen until now that she's supposed to "matter" more than his other close friends.

 

Of course, in the trailer, they show John stepping into Baker St when the line about "the person that matters most" is spoken, and when you click on those words in the interactive version, you get John again. Again, I think they're just playing with all the pairings they know fans have cooked up over the last few years.

 

 

 

 

I don't think this needs to go in the spoiler box: The trailer has finally given me my own personal favorite "Ship" in case I should ever need one: Sherlock / London. I love that scene where they show him on the roof looking over the city and the closing words. That was lovely. Doesn't it make you feel like you'd like to live there? Not the real London, I mean (although I'm sure it's an amazing place), but the fictional city where you would walk the streets knowing that he's somewhere out there? Like Violet Hunter says in "The Copper Beeches": "I should feel so much stronger if I felt that
you were at the back of me". And Holmes, bless his non-existent heart, actually tells her “Oh, you may carry that feeling away with you."

 

[T.o.b.y]

Isn't it a bit dangerous to get people overly exited? There's already so much expectation and speculation. My own wish list grows daily and there seem to be an awful lot of people out there who cling passionately to their own explanation for "The Fall" as well as various other theories about the show. How will the actual episodes ever manage to satisfy an audience with so many preconceived ideas?

 

I think the new trailer has in part answered this question of mine. It was very smart to put that line in where John says "I don't care how, I want to know why". I'm sure they knew they couldn't possibly come up with an explanation that would satisfy everybody, especially not people who have spent two years perfecting their favorite theory. So they just tell us "that's not what you really care about" and gently steer us towards subjects we're more likely to agree on and speculation about all those new scenes.

 

 

[sherlockandjohn]

 

It was very smart to put that line in where John says "I don't care how, I want to know why". I'm sure they knew couldn't possibly come up with an explanation that would satisfy everybody, especially not people who have spent two years perfecting their favorite theory. So they just tell us "that's not what you really care about" and gently steer us towards subjects we're more likely to agree on and speculation about all those new scenes.

 

 

Agreed, that was clever. And of course it is true - it is a lot more important for John to know why. The 'how' is just Sherlock showing off which we love, but John might not.

 

And can I just take a moment to squeal about how excited I am about this new trailer? Thanks  It is amazing!!!!! I need to breathe. I think i've gone just a tad crazy.

 

[T.o.b.y]

Squeal all you like! We can have an imaginary squealing match...

 

I'm mostly amused at how cleverly the trailer(s) have picked up on all sorts of fan issues - the speculating, the pairings of anybody with anybody else, the excitement bordering on hysteria, the role of social media - it's as if the show were commenting on itself, it's viewers, it's history and the old stories as well as getting on with it's own plot in a way that feels non the less real for all that.

[sherlockandjohn]

I don't think I need to put these musings in a spoiler box (this is after all a series 3 news thread), but please correct me if you feel I am wrong:

 

From the trailer, Sherlock seems to be very glib when it comes to handling how he reveals himself to John. This is so much better than what I had considered I honestly thought that even Sherlock would know that he caused John grief, and be a little tentative.... but no, guess not! I love that! It is hilarious. Actually, it would be boring if Sherlock just walked up to John really carefully, sort of apologetic. That could happen, of course, but considering the trailer I believe it will be both humorous, dramatic, and emotional.

 

I've never been more excited about series 3!!

[T.o.b.y]

 

From the trailer, Sherlock seems to be very glib when it comes to handling how he reveals himself to John.

 

Quite so, but remember, this is Sherlock: "How will we ever know what goes on in that funny old head?"

 

He's not stupid and, as we have seen with Molly, he often pretends to be oblivious about somebody's inner life when in reality he knows very well what is going on but doesn't choose to address it, at least not directly.

 

[sherlockandjohn]

True On the outside it seems he is playing it cool, but I also think his face expression from the first teaser trailer betrays some concern, or doubt. And when he's being glib, he is talking to Mycroft. Sherlock is always glib around him.

[sherlockandjohn]

 

Anyone else feeling a little overwhelmed (in a good way)? It was like, we got NOTHING for the longest time, and then all of a sudden lately it's been a Sherlock explosion. They are trying to kill us! 

 

For my part, very overwhelmed. And I'm not so sure how good it is  I love all the new stuff; photos and the trailer, but it just makes the wait all the harder for me! Ah, such problems we have (rolling my eyes).

[Carol the Dabbler]

I don't think I need to put these musings in a spoiler box (this is after all a series 3 news thread), but please correct me if you feel I am wrong:

 

Conjecture is not spoiling -- but then again, your conjecture is based on the latest trailer, which some people may choose not to watch.  I'd say, a box wouldn't hurt, but I'll leave it up to you.

 

From the trailer, Sherlock seems to be very glib when it comes to handling how he reveals himself to John. This is so much better than what I had considered I honestly thought that even Sherlock would know that he caused John grief, and be a little tentative.... but no, guess not! I love that! It is hilarious.

 

I haven't watched this trailer yet (just about to start downloading it), but what you're describing actually sounds very canon -- Holmes never stops to think that his abrupt reappearance might give Watson quite a shock!

 

[Alex the Dabbler]

Apparently the Sherlock Series 3 DVD and Blu-ray release in the UK is 27 January, which is probably why Amazon UK is estimating delivery to us in the first week of February:

 

http://www.sherlockology.com/news/2013/12/4/sherlock-s3-dvd-collectors-box-41213

[Carol the Dabbler]

Watched the trailer -- the broadcast version, that is.  I like it.  Of course, that isn't the way the pieces will actually fit into the show -- and there are places where I suspect they've used the picture from one scene and the sound track from another -- so there will still be surprises, even with those bits.

 

As for the interactive version of the trailer, anyone who's like me -- lacking the connectivity, the tech savvy, the manual dexterity, and/or the patience to ferret out the hidden segments -- may appreciate this straightforward compendium of all the pieces, posted on YouTube by some saint named Saskia.

 

[sherlockandjohn]

I suppose you're right, Carol; some might want to obtain certain news but not all about series 3. Good point

 

Thanks for the tip about the compendium of the pieces from the interactive trailer. Saves some time

[Carol the Dabbler]

Apparently the Sherlock Series 3 DVD and Blu-ray release in the UK is 27 January, which is probably why Amazon UK is estimating delivery to us in the first week of February:

 

http://www.sherlockology.com/news/2013/12/4/sherlock-s3-dvd-collectors-box-41213

 

Ouch!  Y'know, I posted that info a few days and a couple of pages ago (here), but that particular bit didn't really sink in.  On the bright side, we'll probably still get our DVDs faster from the UK, since the US DVDs won't be released till February 11.

[Karie]

 

Isn't it a bit dangerous to get people overly exited? There's already so much expectation and speculation. My own wish list grows daily and there seem to be an awful lot of people out there who cling passionately to their own explanation for "The Fall" as well as various other theories about the show. How will the actual episodes ever manage to satisfy an audience with so many preconceived ideas?

 

I think the new trailer has in part answered this question of mine. It was very smart to put that line in where John says "I don't care how, I want to know why". I'm sure they knew they couldn't possibly come up with an explanation that would satisfy everybody, especially not people who have spent two years perfecting their favorite theory. So they just tell us "that's not what you really care about" and gently steer us towards subjects we're more likely to agree on and speculation about all those new scenes.

 

 

I wouldn't be surprised. It reminds me of the whole "the Doctor's name" thing with everyone going crazy over what it would end up being, only for them to say "oh, the name wasn't important, it was the reason behind why he couldn't reveal it". Although, I guess it's better to brush it under the rug than to try to come up with something so wild that it just falls flat (*coughBattlestarGalacticacoughcough*). 

 

I don't think I need to put these musings in a spoiler box (this is after all a series 3 news thread), but please correct me if you feel I am wrong:

 

From the trailer, Sherlock seems to be very glib when it comes to handling how he reveals himself to John. This is so much better than what I had considered I honestly thought that even Sherlock would know that he caused John grief, and be a little tentative.... but no, guess not! I love that! It is hilarious. Actually, it would be boring if Sherlock just walked up to John really carefully, sort of apologetic. That could happen, of course, but considering the trailer I believe it will be both humorous, dramatic, and emotional.

 

I've never been more excited about series 3!!

 

 

My thoughts on that subject were summed up completely and eloquently by someone on tumblr, in such a way that I feel it totally useless to reiterate. Instead, I will link to that post if anyone is interested in reading it. (Seriously, it's like he/she took it from my own head!) 

 

http://earlgreytea68.tumblr.com/post/69449616532/thoughts-on-sherlock-in-the-trailer

[Karie]

I suppose you're right, Carol; some might want to obtain certain news but not all about series 3. Good point

 

Thanks for the tip about the compendium of the pieces from the interactive trailer. Saves some time

 

Yeah, I can see how some people might want, say, casting information or filming news without being exposed to blow-by-blow spoilers. Another reason why I'd be interested in a requested-access, spoilers-only thread for those of us who go hardcore with the spoiler frenzy. That, and the fact that I tend to get confused about which thread I'm in.  There are a couple of different news type threads and I open multiple windows, which I fear will get me in trouble eventually. 

 

I sure wish that compendium was around last night when I was obsessive-compulsively watching that trailer over and over and clicking on those red dots! Bless these people who take the time to do these things. 

 

I think my favorite part about the new season will be having three new eps to obsess over for a while.  The people at Netflix are probably like  over the fact that I pay $9 a month and pretty much just watch the same six eps over and over.  I've got HoB on in the background now. 

[Carol the Dabbler]

Yeah, I can see how some people might want, say, casting information or filming news without being exposed to blow-by-blow spoilers. Another reason why I'd be interested in a requested-access, spoilers-only thread for those of us who go hardcore with the spoiler frenzy. That, and the fact that I tend to get confused about which thread I'm in.

 

We all get confused about which thread to use -- so, alas, I doubt that putting spoilers behind locked doors would make much real difference.  Even though that would keep people from accidentally getting into the spoiler area, it wouldn't keep spoilers from accidentally getting into other areas.

 

Besides, there doesn't seem to be much point to creating anything like that at this late date.  Once the new episodes premiere (possibly as soon as this weekend), we'll have a Series 3 sub-forum, with general-discussion threads and a dedicated thread for each episode.  I suspect that'll be a little easier for everyone to keep straight.

 

Come to think of it, maybe we should have considered creating that sub-forum as soon as there was any official Series 3 news -- when Series 4 appears on the horizon, remind me that I said that!

 

[T.o.b.y]

Oh, I think we're doing fine - at least as fine as a bunch of excited fans can.

 

Can anybody tell me what Mary says in that one clip where we hear her voice (which sounds very pleasant, by the way)? I just can't make it out.

[Karie]

I didn't really get that Mary clip, either (but her voice does sound lovely). It sounded like she said,"Hello" and then "are you sure?" which didn't really make sense to me.  

[Karie]

Watching that clip again (somebody stop me), I've been thinking

about Sherlock's fall.  It really looks like it's going to turn out that he took some crazy alternate route down from the roof, involving ladders and lower rooftops. I'm assuming that the scene of him thinking all that out took place on the roof before he texted Moriarty and told him to meet him there, as there really wasn't time for him to plan all that out in the seconds he was on the phone with John.  

 

I'm also thinking that there really wasn't time for any acrobatics (I'm assuming he jumped, grabbed onto some ledge or secondary rooftop, then took the path down that didn't involve falling) in the few seconds between him jumping and John reaching him, but then I remember that John got knocked out by the biker. He was pretty disoriented by that, so it could be that what seemed like a few seconds was actually a few minutes.  

 

I'm also wondering why, if he took some alternate route to save his life, that wouldn't have been noticed by the sniper who was watching him the whole time?

 

I'm really starting to feel like the answer to the "how did he do it" riddle is going to end up being really crazy and unbelievable. :-/

 

 

Also, I've seen bits and pieces of an interview showing up on tumblr today (though I haven't seen the full interview anywhere yet), where they talk about Molly. Benedict says that

the way their relationship changes is "lovely" and "beautiful". A little something nice there for the Sherlolly fans.

 

 

I may have posed this question before, but one final time for clarification... is there going to be a designated thread for people to discuss the BAFTA viewing on the 15th? I'm assuming just the season 3, episode 1 discussion thread is the appropriate place? Anyone on this forum who has tickets to that event? 

[T.o.b.y]

I don't quite believe yet that what the clip you mention shows is actually part of the explanation of what happened between Sherlock jumping off the roof and landing on the ground. My impression is, that it shows different alternatives being weighed by Sherlock before making a final decision on what he's actually going to do. And that the intention behind showing it is just to tease us.

 

Funnily enough, the "I don't care how, I want to know why" trick has worked on me like a dream, even though I think I know why. I've just watched The Reichenbach Fall today and, for the first time, not come away breaking my head over how he did it or what IOU means or who the kidnapper is. Instead, I was just happy to see Sherlock alive at the end and thought "Oh well, he'll soon be back and everything will be explained, so why ponder on all this now? When I can go and look at lovely pictures and giggle over trailers instead?" I guess I'm easily manipulated...

[Carol the Dabbler]

I may have posed this question before, but one final time for clarification... is there going to be a designated thread for people to discuss the BAFTA viewing on the 15th? I'm assuming just the season 3, episode 1 discussion thread is the appropriate place? Anyone on this forum who has tickets to that event?

You'd have to ask Tim (Undead Medic) to be sure of the details, but there will be a Series 3 sub-forum created sometime in the very near future.  The 15th would certainly not be too soon.

 

Anybody here with tickets to the BFI event?  Even if not, I'm sure there will be loads of stuff on the internet as soon as that showing begins, and the Series 3 sub-forum would indeed be the appropriate place to share it.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Can anybody tell me what Mary says in that one clip where we hear her voice (which sounds very pleasant, by the way)? I just can't make it out.

 

I didn't really get that Mary clip, either (but her voice does sound lovely). It sounded like she said,"Hello" and then "are you sure?" which didn't really make sense to me.

 

Yes, I think Karie's right.  My interpretation is that there's something they've already discussed, but Mary wants to see whether John might have changed his mind (thus "Are you sure?").  He hasn't.

 

Then she says something that sounds like "light the castle -- see you later," but I doubt it's quite that.  Added:  After a couple more viewings, I think it's actually, "All right, be careful.  See you later."

 

Then I think the only other thing was "Bye."

 

By the way, I believe this takes place in John's office at work, because the out-of-focus thing on the wall to the far right looks to me like an anatomy chart.

 

[Karie]

I agree that there must be something they discussed prior to that scene. I'm wondering if he's agreed to meet with Sherlock (maybe after their first angry meeting?) and she's asking if he's sure he wants to go. Judging from

the different pics we have of them at two different restaurants, I'm guessing the first meeting doesn't go well, John storms off, and then Sherlock begs him to meet him again. Or possibly he's going to meet him at Baker Street, as we have that shot of John walking in there for what appears to be the first time in a long time.  

 

I meant to mention last night when I talked about John's blog entry, but it's obvious he's been avoiding Mrs. Hudson (he won't even do her the courtesy of replying to her direct comments on his blog), and that makes me really sad for her.

 

 

I think you may be right regarding the "explanation" clip, T.o.b.y. 

[Carol the Dabbler]

 

 

... possibly he's going to meet him at Baker Street, as we have that shot of John walking in there for what appears to be the first time in a long time.

 
I apparently missed that part -- is it in the broadcast trailer (which I've seen a couple of times) or only the interactive one (which I still haven't seen all of)?  Not important -- just wondering if it's one of the scenes they filmed during the North Gower shoot we were at in May -- John walks up the street and lets himself in the door.  (Or did they only show him inside?)