Episode 3.3, "His Last Vow"

[Slithytove]

 

So, neither Sholto nor John are likely to have licences for their guns. It is hard to understand why Lestrade has a gun in THoB - if he is simply a Detective Inspector in the Met, he wouldn't normally be armed.

Maybe Sholto was allowed to keep his gun as a part of the uniform that he had special permission to keep?

... in reality, Lestrade probably wouldn't have carried a gun himself and would have removed John's from his possession long ago. (Surely he is bright enough to have realised John has a gun?)

If Greg didn't know before "Hounds," he surely noticed John blazing away right next to him!

Yes, that special arrangement that allowed him to keep his uniform - and wear it in public, even though he was no longer a serving member of the armed forces. Another suspension of disbelief required.

 

I had forgotten that. John, as well as Lestrade, fires at the dog. Really, dear old Lestrade turns a blind eye to a hell of a lot, where the occupants of Baker Street are concerned.

[Arcadia]

Maybe after the "CAM incident" John's gun will FINALLY be confiscated.... (yes, and the moon is made of fairy dust....)

 

It just irks me, the easy access to guns just seems such a lazy way to solve problems in otherwise smart, clever scripts...... At the end of the unaired pilot, John had chucked his gun into the Thames, I wish to God they had left it there! Although I would miss the bullet holes in the smiley face.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Maybe after the "CAM incident" John's gun will FINALLY be confiscated.... (yes, and the moon is made of fairy dust....)

 

 

That's an interesting question -- what DOES become of John's gun at that point?  Surely it would be, as you say, confiscated, because it's the weapon in a murder case.  If said case had been handled in a normal court of law, I cannot believe that John would ever have gotten it back, due in part to its apparent "unofficial" status.

 

However -- we do not see any normal judicial proceedings whatsoever.  The whole affair seems to have been handled by an ad-hoc committee of government officials.  So who knows?

 

I suspect that the gun will just magically be back in Series 4.  Perhaps Mycroft realizes that Sherlock is so foolhardy that he really needs John's protection, and the gun has been an integral part of that ever since 1887.

[Arcadia]

I suspect you are right.

[jesskayding]

You know. I don't know if the writers are trying to match the laws of London as they are. I don't know that they are trying to match any laws but the laws that they have for their Sherlock world. Apparently people around the world like the government that has been created by Mark & Steve, so....

[Arcadia]

Oh, some of us don't like it. We accept that it exists and that it is illogical.

[jesskayding]

How is it illogical? & you do like it, based off your favorite episodes. You just keep comparing their laws to real life. I know you're a Sherlock fanatic, just like the rest of us. Don't go trying to deny it now.

[Arcadia]

....Apparently people around the world like the government that has been created by Mark & Steve, so....

That's like saying people around the world like cherries on their cheesecake, therefore I must like it too. I love cheesecake, but I love it more without cherries. I love Sherlock, but I'd love it more if they got rid of John's gun. That doesn't mean other people can't enjoy cherries on their cheesecake, or cheesecake on their guns, or guns on Sherlock. Or that I'll stop eating cheesecake. (You only have to look at me to know THAT's true!)

 

...............You just keep comparing their laws to real life......................

Of course I compare the laws of Sherlock World to those of the real world! The laws between the two are so similar that 99.9% of the time I can count on the laws in both worlds to operate exactly the same way. So when they don't, I notice.

[jesskayding]

Sorry Arcadia, didn't mean to rub you the wrong way sistah girl. Woooo.

 

And what's all that talk about cheesecake? I want some now.

[Arcadia]

Oh dear, I didn't mean to come off as having been rubbed the wrong way! Sorry about that. Just trying to explain my prior remark, guess it came out too strong? Didn't mean it so. Peace?

 

Oh, and sorry again, already ate the cheesecake. You can have the cherries, if you like.

[jesskayding]

Well I'm glad.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I think you both have a point.  The Sherlock universe has to be fairly close to ours, or we won't understand what's happening.  But on the other hand, it probably can't be exactly like ours, because then some piddly little details would interfere with the story.

 

Now I'm trying to think of a good example, other than John's gun.  It would probably help if I were English!

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

The Sherlock universe has to be fairly close to ours, or we won't understand what's happening. But on the other hand, it probably can't be exactly like ours, because then some piddly little details would interfere with the story.

Oh what great sense that all makes! Maybe another example is the omnipresence of Mycroft Holmes as "The British Government"? Could one man get away with something like that in a government such as England's in all reality?

[Arcadia]

The Sherlock universe has to be fairly close to ours, or we won't understand what's happening.  But on the other hand, it probably can't be exactly like ours, because then some piddly little details would interfere with the story.

Carol!!!!    You just gave Moftiss carte blanche to do any nutty thing they want and expect us to swallow it!!!  Not that they don't do that already........

 

I'm all for alternate universes (I'd move to Middle Earth in a heartbeat if I could) but it's always nice when they obey their own internal logic. I was just over in the thread where everyone was moaning about the solution to the Fall. The reason we struggle with that is because it seems to violate the internal logic of the show, by changing the rules from one season to the next. In TRF we're shown a Sherlock who appears to be beaten, uncertain and in tears. In TEH we find out it was all an act. In other words, they tossed out the rules they showed us in TRF ("this is a story about Sherlock heroically resorting to a desperate act of sacrifice") and replaced them with new rules in TEH ("sorry, actually this is a story about how clever Sherlock and Mycroft were.") Inventive, perhaps, but also a bit, uh ... underhanded?

 

They get away with it, imo, because the show is outrageous to begin with, and because it's just so derned funny. Jerking the audience around is just part of the fun!

[jesskayding]

 

The Sherlock universe has to be fairly close to ours, or we won't understand what's happening. But on the other hand, it probably can't be exactly like ours, because then some piddly little details would interfere with the story.

Oh what great sense that all makes! Maybe another example is the omnipresence of Mycroft Holmes as "The British Government"? Could one man get away with something like that in a government such as England's in all reality?

 

Hay, that's exactly what I thought when I read Carol's post. Dooo dooo dooo dooo dooo dooo ( the twighlight zone )

[Pamela]

 

The Sherlock universe has to be fairly close to ours, or we won't understand what's happening. But on the other hand, it probably can't be exactly like ours, because then some piddly little details would interfere with the story.

Oh what great sense that all makes! Maybe another example is the omnipresence of Mycroft Holmes as "The British Government"? Could one man get away with something like that in a government such as England's in all reality?

 

I think I have another example.  In their world, there's no such thing as a dropped call, you can always get a signal or an internet connection.  I think I heard them say that on a commentary once.

[jesskayding]

 

Never even thought of that. They had WiFi in the middle of a field with the boomerang guy.

 

Also in HLV, they wouldn't have been able to get a restraining order on CAM? Or is that an American thing?

[jesskayding]

Hay, now that I think about it... CAM was a criminal! He could have been arrested for kidnapping, drugging & then putting someone in a bonfire. Here in the US, there would be like @ least 4- 5 counts against him. Assault, Kidnapping, attempted murder, disturbing the peace... There are others but I don't know what the exact charge would be... Just for the John incident alone!

 

So yeah this is a whole other government @ work. One full of reckless abandonment for all that is wholesome and decent!

[sherlockandjohn]

... in reality, Lestrade probably wouldn't have carried a gun himself and would have removed John's from his possession long ago. (Surely he is bright enough to have realised John has a gun?)

If Greg didn't know before "Hounds," he surely noticed John blazing away right next to him!

 

 

Ah yes! The match between the police officer and the soldier. Poor Lestrade  

 

 

Maybe after the "CAM incident" John's gun will FINALLY be confiscated.... (yes, and the moon is made of fairy dust....)

 

 

That's an interesting question -- what DOES become of John's gun at that point? ...

 

I suspect that the gun will just magically be back in Series 4.  Perhaps Mycroft realizes that Sherlock is so foolhardy that he really needs John's protection, and the gun has been an integral part of that ever since 1887.

 

 

Sherlock does need John's protection, and vice versa, so that's a reasonable assumption. Considering the dangers they put themselves through, wouldn't it be stupid not to have a gun? I mean, who would invite Moriarty to a swimming pool, alone, and at night, without protecting themselves?

[jesskayding]

Yeah. It seem that it's not against Sherlock law for anyone to carry a gun. It could be possible that Lestrade didn't notice per all the excitement of being charged @ by a gigantic HOUND.

[Arcadia]

 

 

... I mean, who would invite Moriarty to a swimming pool, alone, and at night, without protecting themselves?

 

The same person who walks unarmed into a flat full of armed and annoyed CIA agents, talks all but one into leaving, then spray paints the last one before headbutting him into submission? Now THAT was creative!!!!

[Arcadia]

 

Never even thought of that. They had WiFi in the middle of a field with the boomerang guy.

 

Also in HLV, they wouldn't have been able to get a restraining order on CAM? Or is that an American thing?

Not a restraining order, I would think. Wrong kind of crime and anyway they'd probably have to reveal too much of Mary's past in order to bring charges. However..... 

 

Hay, now that I think about it... CAM was a criminal! He could have been arrested for kidnapping, drugging & then putting someone in a bonfire. Here in the US, there would be like @ least 4- 5 counts against him. Assault, Kidnapping, attempted murder, disturbing the peace... There are others but I don't know what the exact charge would be... Just for the John incident alone!

Now yer talkin'!! Probably almost impossible to trace back to CAM, but fortunately for the good guys they happen to have a genius detective on hand ..... ooops, wait, never mind, he couldn't be bothered to investigate.

[jesskayding]

I think it's all creative. Even using a gun.. The way one uses it, the words they may say, the expression on their faces. It all depends.

 

I really love that scene with Sherlock & the CIA agent. It's one of my favorites.

[jesskayding]

 

 

 

Never even thought of that. They had WiFi in the middle of a field with the boomerang guy.

 

Also in HLV, they wouldn't have been able to get a restraining order on CAM? Or is that an American thing?

Not a restraining order, I would think. Wrong kind of crime and anyway they'd probably have to reveal too much of Mary's past in order to bring charges. However.....

Hay, now that I think about it... CAM was a criminal! He could have been arrested for kidnapping, drugging & then putting someone in a bonfire. Here in the US, there would be like @ least 4- 5 counts against him. Assault, Kidnapping, attempted murder, disturbing the peace... There are others but I don't know what the exact charge would be... Just for the John incident alone!

Now yer talkin'!! Probably almost impossible to trace back to CAM, but fortunately for the good guys they happen to have a genius detective on hand ..... ooops, wait, never mind, he couldn't be bothered to investigate.

 

They could trace it per for some reason, CAM chose to record that incident instead of storing it in his mind palace.??

 

Also I was thinking restraining order, per people here get them for harassment. Peeing in someone's fireplace & licking a woman's face would qualify. Per harassment charge wouldn't benefit him to write anything about them in his paper per would be violating his punishment, if he was so charged.

[Arcadia]

...I really love that scene with Sherlock & the CIA agent. It's one of my favorites.

 

I think it may actually be my favorite one. That's everything I want Sherlock to be; brave, reckless, inventive, smart, clever, snarky, unpredictable, protective, funny and definitely NOT a sociopath.