Episode 3.3, "His Last Vow"

[Zain]

He also gets out of hospital a 2nd time to meet with Magnussen at Speedy's, but he seems further on the road to recovery then.

 

I believe it has been proposed that he went to see Magnussen not long before Christmas, at the end of his recovery.

 

Drug rehab certainy is a possibility, and I do believe that HLV put him at a disadvantage in that regard, what, with the drugs at the beginning, and then the needed morphine. Even if the hospital reduced the dosage and put him on other meds, Sherlock is at a higher risk of developing another addiction. But I can't read a stay in rehab into that Christmas scene. There would be some sort of reference, wouldn't there, if they intended us to believe that is where Sherlock spent part of the last months?

 

As far as I know, there are different theories why Sherlock had a prolonged stay at the hospital. One is that they had to put him into an induced coma for healing due to the damage and strain on his heart and lungs. After waking up, there's the need to train your muscles again before you are well enough to leave and get further therapy.  That would account for a prolonged stay, they cannot really send you home mid-way. To me, that sounds plausible. A bit much because we really do not get any information on Sherlock's second stay. But certainly possible. it is something that is at times done, putting people into an induced coma (but depends on the complications, of course).

 

Then there's the theory that Sherlock had a few setbacks, because he never takes care of his body.

 

Two examples of all the theories going around.

[by the sea]

 

Yeah, what the heck was that, anyway? Are we supposed to believe Sherlock was toddling the streets in his hospital gown, looking for a place to eat? I'm surprised he didn't end up in the psych ward.... aha!!! Maybe he did. Maybe that's why he was in the hospital so long.....

 

 

Too funny !    I thought it was pretty odd that Sherlock was in his hospital gown with his IV hooked up eating pasta in a café booth.  It never even dawned on me that it was Speedy's  .  How weird is that ??  He must have been awful  hungry !  Personally, I've always found the stuff they pump into you kind of keeps you from feeling like a big dish of pasta ... especially "sharing" it with your current worst enemy.  My geography is a little poor here ... is 221B/Speedy's close to a hospital ?  Would he carry taxi fare in his pocket ... would he even have a pocket ??  So how did he get there ? 

 

Debbie

[Arcadia]

I just want to point out that when I said rehab, I meant physical therapy in a hospital, which in the States is called a rehab hospital.

 

The drugs didn't occur to me, altho I suppose that's a possibility as well. But it seems unlikely to me. (And yes, that is also called rehab, so I should have been more clear.)

 

I do wonder, tho, if drug abuse will rear its ugly head in S4. Hope not. Dull. Boring. Predictable.

 

Anyway, physical therapy wouldn't have taken months either. So that leaves us with .... a mistake in the script, imho.

[T.o.b.y]

 

Too funny !    I thought it was pretty odd that Sherlock was in his hospital gown with his IV hooked up eating pasta in a café booth.  It never even dawned on me that it was Speedy's  .  How weird is that ??  He must have been awful  hungry !  Personally, I've always found the stuff they pump into you kind of keeps you from feeling like a big dish of pasta ... especially "sharing" it with your current worst enemy.  My geography is a little poor here ... is 221B/Speedy's close to a hospital ?  Would he carry taxi fare in his pocket ... would he even have a pocket ??  So how did he get there ? 

 

I have no idea, all I know is that it's exactly what I would have expected would happen sooner or later if anybody ever got Sherlock into a hospital. It makes no sense on a practical level, but still feels utterly right to me. I love that scene.

 

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

... she says this line in HFV, after the breakup with Tom in TSoT (and clearly they broke up at the reception).

Apparently I missed something. What did you see that led you to conclude they broke up at the reception?

 

He also gets out of hospital a 2nd time to meet with Magnussen at Speedy's, but he seems further on the road to recovery then.

I thought it was Speedy's at first, too. But on repeated viewings, I don't think it is -- and now I'm trying to remember why I changed my mind. Tablecloths?

  

Maybe they'll pull a Dallas on us! S3 was all a dream, Sherlock's still locked up in the Serbian prison .....

And S3 was Sherlock's nightmare???    (That could explain a lot!)

 

... It never even dawned on me that it was Speedy's  .  How weird is that ??  He must have been awful  hungry !

Not sure what you mean, but if you've heard that the food at Speedy's isn't good, you've been seriously misinformed. Admittedly, all I've had is the Watson wrap (twice) and some chips (what we Americans call French fries), but they were both wonderful!

[Arcadia]

 

Maybe they'll pull a Dallas on us! S3 was all a dream, Sherlock's still locked up in the Serbian prison .....

And S3 was Sherlock's nightmare???    (That could explain a lot!)

 

Or John's nightmare... Yay, Sherlock's alive! Oh no, he's still a jerk! Yay, I've got a wife! Oh no, SHE's a jerk!

[Zain]

I would be fine with that. If John woke up and Sherlock has yet to return... and Mary does not exist for real. Not the best method to undo your mistakes, but, well,... It is not unheard of. I think there's a rather prominent example, I forgot the series' name, though. Something about it being cancelled, and thus they decided to end the series, but then they got another season, however one actor had already left the set and another role lined up, so they had to improvise. And they wrote the character out of it. With the explanation that the "main character" had been dreaming him into all of this, and that the previous season had been a flashback in his dream.

[sfmpco]

 

... she says this line in HFV, after the breakup with Tom in TSoT (and clearly they broke up at the reception).

Apparently I missed something. What did you see that led you to conclude they broke up at the reception?

 

 

Okay, she's all kissy on Tom for the photographer, but as soon as the best man speech begins, she is enraptured all over again by SH.  She finds Tom increasing annoying and even stabs him with her fork without ever taking her eyes of SH.  She starts toying with her ring, and by the last scene when SH is playing his violin solo for John and Mary, Tom and Molly are standing apart, and Molly is right up there by SH, even in front of Janine.  I don't think she is wearing the ring at this point, but the one shot of her hand is very quick.  The ring does not appear to be there.  That's why I say the breakup happened at the wedding.  Clearly she has no eyes and heart for anyone but SH.

 

AND!!!! I should add that only one month later when SH comes in for a drug test, Molly is not wearing the ring, which he appreciates when she slaps him.

[Arcadia]

I would be fine with that. If John woke up and Sherlock has yet to return... and Mary does not exist for real. Not the best method to undo your mistakes, but, well,... It is not unheard of. I think there's a rather prominent example, I forgot the series' name, though. Something about it being cancelled, and thus they decided to end the series, but then they got another season, however one actor had already left the set and another role lined up, so they had to improvise. And they wrote the character out of it. With the explanation that the "main character" had been dreaming him into all of this, and that the previous season had been a flashback in his dream.

Well, the most famous example on American TV is the original Dallas, although I don't remember the precise circumstances that led to that plot. Something about the actor leaving then deciding to come back, so I suspect that's the one you're thinking of.

 

It's been "spoofed" several times since then, most famously by Bob Newhart (he wakes up and we find out all 8 seasons of his show were just a dream. Trust me, at the time it was hysterical. )

[sfmpco]

Okay, I'm just going to throw this out there about HLV, because maybe I'm wrong, but as soon as SH begins dissing Magnussen to John, I just feel like I'm not with him.  I don't know where this is coming from.  Something about it doesn't feel right to me.  It just feels like a lot of expositional dialogue.  All we know is that Lady Smallwood has sought SH's help, but the intense animosity in SH, I don't feel is true.  Maybe it's just the writing.  I don't know, but it bugs me.  It's like we're missing an episode somewhere...  

 

This is not to say that i don't enjoy the episode, because I do, and there are wonderful things I am constantly referring back to.  Just the anti-Magnussen speeches don't ring true for me.

[Zain]

 

Well, the most famous example on American TV is the original Dallas, although I don't remember the precise circumstances that led to that plot. Something about the actor leaving then deciding to come back, so I suspect that's the one you're thinking of.

 

It's been "spoofed" several times since then, most famously by Bob Newhart (he wakes up and we find out all 8 seasons of his show were just a dream. Trust me, at the time it was hysterical. )

 

 

Maybe. I have to admit that I have never seen an episode of Dallas, and I do not even know what it is about. I've only heard of it as a classic.

 

 

Okay, I'm just going to throw this out there about HLV, because maybe I'm wrong, but as soon as SH begins dissing Magnussen to John, I just feel like I'm not with him.  I don't know where this is coming from.  Something about it doesn't feel right to me.  It just feels like a lot of expositional dialogue.  All we know is that Lady Smallwood has sought SH's help, but the intense animosity in SH, I don't feel is true.  Maybe it's just the writing.  I don't know, but it bugs me.  It's like we're missing an episode somewhere...  

 

This is not to say that i don't enjoy the episode, because I do, and there are wonderful things I am constantly referring back to.  Just the anti-Magnussen speeches don't ring true for me.

 

Interesting. I cannot say that I felt that something was off with the speeches themselves. I noticed that there's a discrepancy between what Magnussen, Mycroft, and Sherlock say (content-wise). So I suppose there is some backstory to cover in s4. I'll have to rewatch the dialogues tomorrow and have a closer look. Then I might be abe to participate in that round of "let's dissect the episode." But certainly an interesting aspect.

[Arcadia]

Okay, I'm just going to throw this out there about HLV, because maybe I'm wrong, but as soon as SH begins dissing Magnussen to John, I just feel like I'm not with him.  I don't know where this is coming from.  Something about it doesn't feel right to me.  It just feels like a lot of expositional dialogue.  All we know is that Lady Smallwood has sought SH's help, but the intense animosity in SH, I don't feel is true.  Maybe it's just the writing.  I don't know, but it bugs me.  It's like we're missing an episode somewhere...  

 

This is not to say that i don't enjoy the episode, because I do, and there are wonderful things I am constantly referring back to.  Just the anti-Magnussen speeches don't ring true for me.

You're not wrong, imo. I felt exactly the same way. Oh HLV, so many things wrong with thee, and yet I still love thee....

[sfmpco]

 

Okay, I'm just going to throw this out there about HLV, because maybe I'm wrong, but as soon as SH begins dissing Magnussen to John, I just feel like I'm not with him.  I don't know where this is coming from.  Something about it doesn't feel right to me.  It just feels like a lot of expositional dialogue.  All we know is that Lady Smallwood has sought SH's help, but the intense animosity in SH, I don't feel is true.  Maybe it's just the writing.  I don't know, but it bugs me.  It's like we're missing an episode somewhere...  

 

This is not to say that i don't enjoy the episode, because I do, and there are wonderful things I am constantly referring back to.  Just the anti-Magnussen speeches don't ring true for me.

You're not wrong, imo. I felt exactly the same way. Oh HLV, so many things wrong with thee, and yet I still love thee....

 

 

Poor BC is doing the best he can with having to rattle off the vitriol over this man, but I just don't believe him, and I'm not sure BC totally believes what he is saying.  Just seems awkward.

[Arcadia]

Maybe. I have to admit that I have never seen an episode of Dallas, and I do not even know what it is about. I've only heard of it as a classic.

Well, I saw some of it, and I still couldn't tell you what it was about. It was basically a very flashy, big budget soap opera, imo. I can't explain why it was so popular; not my area.

[sfmpco]

 

 

So when the ambulance arrived at Baker Street during the big confrontation, he likely was bleeding internally. Between then and the Christmas scenes, he was probably in hospital for a few weeks getting properly healed.

 

  He tells the medics....which he called...some what....eight minutes before hand?....that he was bleeding internally and that they would probably have to restart his heart on the way to the hospital.

 

 It seems it was some months that he was in hospital the second time. At least Mary said it's been months of silence between her and John and it seems Sherlock is just getting home from the hospital.

 

 

Okay, so here's what I'm doing - I'll write out what happened and post it in the fan fiction area.  

[by the sea]

 

... It never even dawned on me that it was Speedy's  .  How weird is that ??  He must have been awful  hungry !

Not sure what you mean, but if you've heard that the food at Speedy's isn't good, you've been seriously misinformed. Admittedly, all I've had is the Watson wrap (twice) and some chips (what we Americans call French fries), but they were both wonderful!

 

 

Sorry ... not intending to make any disparaging comments about Speedy's 'cause I've never heard anything at all about their food until you mentioned it above.  I was just curious as to why the writers had Sherlock, who was, presumably,  getting nourishment from his IV, wandering around outside the hospital looking for "real" food.  I guess maybe they were just providing the audience with another example of CAM's rudeness ?

 

Debbie

[Arcadia]

I think it's more likely they were trying to provide us with another example of Sherlock's outrageousness!

[T.o.b.y]

I was just curious as to why the writers had Sherlock, who was, presumably,  getting nourishment from his IV, wandering around outside the hospital looking for "real" food.

 

 

I doubt the writers / creators thought this through, but the fluid he's hooked up to does not look like nourishment, more like a saline solution or something like that:

 

 

Meaning he's getting water and minerals (and morphine) intravenously, but he'd still need to eat.

 

Again, I doubt anybody thought about that, it's just a funny scene... and as I said before, it rings very true for me.

 

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

OK, thanks, Debbie -- I see what you meant now.

 

Maybe they'll pull a Dallas on us! S3 was all a dream, Sherlock's still locked up in the Serbian prison .....

And S3 was Sherlock's nightmare???    (That could explain a lot!)

Or John's nightmare... Yay, Sherlock's alive! Oh no, he's still a jerk! Yay, I've got a wife! Oh no, SHE's a jerk!

That does have possibilities!  But the reason I said Sherlock's dream is that (as several people have mentioned) S3 seems (unlike S1 and S2) to be told from Sherlock's point of view. It being his dream could explain that discrepancy.

 

And of course it could explain away every single gripe we've got about S3.  (Unfortunately, though, it would explain away all the parts we like as well.)

 

[Arcadia]

Which parts were those again?

[sfmpco]

Okay, here's a technical question.  I haven't seen it addressed, but maybe someone, somewhere has seen it addressed.  When Sherlock falls on his back after being shot, I am wondering how they did the shot because if he's in a room that tilts (the plant in the middle of the room starts sliding the other way), then this cheat is very similar to the bed the rose up to meet him in ASIB, a very nice special effect shot.

[Pamela]

Okay, here's a technical question.  I haven't seen it addressed, but maybe someone, somewhere has seen it addressed.  When Sherlock falls on his back after being shot, I am wondering how they did the shot because if he's in a room that tilts (the plant in the middle of the room starts sliding the other way), then this cheat is very similar to the bed the rose up to meet him in ASIB, a very nice special effect shot.

There's an extra on the DVD (I think it's called "Shooting Sherlock") that shows how that was done.  They made a special contraption that he fell back on and a crew slowly lowered it.  Well, that's the way they did it in my words.

[sfmpco]

 

Okay, here's a technical question.  I haven't seen it addressed, but maybe someone, somewhere has seen it addressed.  When Sherlock falls on his back after being shot, I am wondering how they did the shot because if he's in a room that tilts (the plant in the middle of the room starts sliding the other way), then this cheat is very similar to the bed the rose up to meet him in ASIB, a very nice special effect shot.

There's an extra on the DVD (I think it's called "Shooting Sherlock") that shows how that was done.  They made a special contraption that he fell back on and a crew slowly lowered it.  Well, that's the way they did it in my words.

 

 

Well, I suppose I shall have to break down and buy the DVDs someday just for all the extras.

[Pamela]

 

 

Okay, here's a technical question.  I haven't seen it addressed, but maybe someone, somewhere has seen it addressed.  When Sherlock falls on his back after being shot, I am wondering how they did the shot because if he's in a room that tilts (the plant in the middle of the room starts sliding the other way), then this cheat is very similar to the bed the rose up to meet him in ASIB, a very nice special effect shot.

There's an extra on the DVD (I think it's called "Shooting Sherlock") that shows how that was done.  They made a special contraption that he fell back on and a crew slowly lowered it.  Well, that's the way they did it in my words.

 

 

Well, I suppose I shall have to break down and buy the DVDs someday just for all the extras.

 

Oh, I recommend them.  There are no commentaries (boo!) but the extras are great.

[sfmpco]

 

 

 

Okay, here's a technical question.  I haven't seen it addressed, but maybe someone, somewhere has seen it addressed.  When Sherlock falls on his back after being shot, I am wondering how they did the shot because if he's in a room that tilts (the plant in the middle of the room starts sliding the other way), then this cheat is very similar to the bed the rose up to meet him in ASIB, a very nice special effect shot.

There's an extra on the DVD (I think it's called "Shooting Sherlock") that shows how that was done.  They made a special contraption that he fell back on and a crew slowly lowered it.  Well, that's the way they did it in my words.

 

 

Well, I suppose I shall have to break down and buy the DVDs someday just for all the extras.

 

Oh, I recommend them.  There are no commentaries (boo!) but the extras are great.

 

 

I'm just trying so hard not to acquire new "things" as I'm getting rid of everything.  Do I make an exception?  Hmmmmmm.