Episode 3.3, "His Last Vow"

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Maybe he's dreaming while still healing from that beating in Serbia?

[Arcadia]

 

 

 

 

Well, I suppose I shall have to break down and buy the DVDs someday just for all the extras.

 

Oh, I recommend them.  There are no commentaries (boo!) but the extras are great.

 

 

I'm just trying so hard not to acquire new "things" as I'm getting rid of everything.  Do I make an exception?  Hmmmmmm.

 

Rent them! Or borrow them from the library. The extras are good but I find I tend to watch them only once or twice, no need to own them.

[by the sea]

Netflix (GRRR ARGH for more reasons than I need to go into) has added a new thing, too, on the making of Sherlock.  It's an hour documentary that goes over some of the points covered in the DVD's extra stuff and some things I hadn't seen before.  They talk to Mofftiss and BC, MF , AS and others and it's quite fun to watch.  To all of you in the know out there ... where can I get the theme music from Sherlock ?  BBC has the best theme music ... between Sherlock and The Musketeers, I bounce around all day !!  LOL !   

[Arcadia]

 ... where can I get the theme music from Sherlock ?  BBC has the best theme music ... between Sherlock and The Musketeers, I bounce around all day !!  LOL !   

I know it's on iTunes, and I assume on Amazon as well.

[by the sea]

 

I know it's on iTunes, and I assume on Amazon as well.

 

 

Thanks, Arcadia.  It is !  I have an iTunes phobia I can see I'm going to have to get over 'cause I think it's the easiest way to go for this quest.

 

Debbie

[Carol the Dabbler]

There's also a soundtrack-music CD available -- one per series, actually.  We have all of them, and love them.  The only drawback is that I cannot ignore them -- if they're playing, I have to sit and listen -- especially the "Waltz for John and Mary" (which always makes me smile).

 

[by the sea]

There's also a soundtrack-music CD available -- one per series, actually.  We have all of them, and love them.  The only drawback is that I cannot ignore them -- if they're playing, I have to sit and listen -- especially the "Waltz for John and Mary" (which always makes me smile).

 

Thanks, Carol.  I see that Amazon has all three series' soundtracks on CD.  I've got The Hounds of Baskerville sitting in my DVD player ... I must play it and listen to the music.  The actual theme pops into my head unbidden an amazing number of times a day ... must be because I like it so much ... but I remain unaware of any other music involved in the shows.  Must be because it's so well done it's seamless.

 

Debbie

[Carol the Dabbler]

Right, it just blends right in for the most part, which I truly appreciate when I'm watching an episode.  But the music stands very well on its own as well.

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

I finally broke down and ordered the soundtracks to Seasons 1 and 3.....when I'm watching the episodes I loose track of the background music altogether.

[jesskayding]

I don't understand why most people posting believe that John is angry with Sherlock. I feel that what he said @ the end of The Last Vow..."Well he (Moriarty), better wrap up warm- There's an east wind comming", meant that he continues to see Sherlock as a hero. England's hero.

 

Also I really hope that the images/videos of Moriarty is just some loyal living subject of his that they kill off in the very 1st 3 minutes of the 1st episode of season 4. And NO MORE Moriarty! Please! The ocassional flashback fine, but enough already.

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

 

I don't understand why most people posting believe that John is angry with Sherlock. I feel that what he said @ the end of The Last Vow..."Well he (Moriarty), better wrap up warm- There's an east wind comming", meant that he continues to see Sherlock as a hero. England's hero.

 

  Hi jesskayding!  Like many things in this world, it's open to personal interpretation. There is an old saying: Things are seldom as they seem. But anyway.....not everyone sees John as angry.....maybe in shock.  He does say that "the game is over".  He knows that it's possible that he will never ever see Sherlock again. No more running all over London every time Sherlock snapped his fingers with "The Game, Mrs. Hudson, is on! It's Christmas!"  John's reactions may be understated but at this point he may not know exactly how he feels about it all.

 

  As for the gif...yeah...there have been speculation that it's everyone from Moriarty....to Mycroft....to Sherlock...to Mummy....and even Lady Smallwood...to "The Other One"...so yeah....it's all up in the air and anybody's guess at this point.

[Arcadia]

Also I really hope that the images/videos of Moriarty is just some loyal living subject of his that they kill off in the very 1st 3 minutes of the 1st episode of season 4. And NO MORE Moriarty! Please! The ocassional flashback fine, but enough already.

Meeee too, or something similar. Good villain but been there, done that.

[T.o.b.y]

 

  As for the gif...yeah...there have been speculation that it's everyone from Moriarty....to Mycroft....to Sherlock...to Mummy....and even Lady Smallwood...to "The Other One"...so yeah....it's all up in the air and anybody's guess at this point.

 

Don't forget Anderson... No way that I think this will actually turn out to be the solution, but I like the idea that he did it with the help of some fan club computer geek, just to keep Sherlock around. My prediction of what we will actually see is either Moriarty himself or a (twin) brother, in which case, I'm hoping for the real thing.

 

The other one, hmmm... what if that was the body double? Meaning what if Moriarty got Sherlock's other brother to do the kidnapping? Would explain the resemblance, maybe. Again, I do not think this is what the writers had in mind, but as long as we're still waiting, everything is possible (theoretically).

 

 

[Arcadia]

Sherlock with a (dead) twin brother?!?!?!??! I'd rather have a Moriarty twin.

 

I love the idea of it being Anderson but seriously hope it isn't!

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Now Anderson would be an unexpected twist.....maybe all that guilt about setting the commish onto Sherlock.....he was right about Sherlock being alive yes....but he seems to be a bit unhinged....possible then?

[Arcadia]

The gif seemed half-baked enough to be Anderson's work! But srsly, I don't see Anderson as being close enough to the inner circle to know what happened at Appledore. I assume Mycroft kept it under wraps.

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Yeah, it did seem like it didn't go to the civil court......the threat of riot and all that.....so no....Anderson probably wouldn't have known....but it's just an idea to play with.

[T.o.b.y]

Well, Anderson stalked Sherlock right? And who knows how much time passed between the shooting and the sending off. Maybe Sherlock was in prison for a few weeks? Maybe something did get into the papers (Mangussen's death must have been noticed somehow).

 

What I mean is, theoretically, he could have gotten wind of the whole thing. I mean, he even knew Sherlock's most secret bolt hole.

Anyway, it's just a funny idea. I don't expect it'll turn out to be the truth. But I like it... Especially if nobody finds out until the very end and they all try to hunt down a dead Moriarty.

[sfmpco]

I also wonder about how much time passes between the time he shoots Magnussen and when he boards the plane.  Obviously he was captured the night he did the murder and was taken into custody, but we don't know for how long.  Plus on top of that there would have had to be some briefing/training time for a MI6 mission.  They wouldn't send him in blind.  He might have had to learn a new language - well that would have only taken a couple of hours.  But still...yeah, I think a few weeks pass.  They have to figure out what to do with him.

 

I suspect that the official press reports of CAM's death would have simply stated that he was killed by an unknown intruder during a break-in.  Although CAM had his own security, I'm sure Mycroft's men would have persuaded them to rethink what they had seen.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I think you're right that probably a few weeks had passed -- certainly no more than that, and a  few days at least.  And of course they would have swept all the details of CAM's death (at least I HOPE he's really dead!) under the rug.  Good points, sfmpco.

 

I don't understand why most people posting believe that John is angry with Sherlock. I feel that what he said @ the end of The Last Vow..."Well he (Moriarty), better wrap up warm- There's an east wind comming", meant that he continues to see Sherlock as a hero. England's hero.

 

Huh?  Some people think John's "east wind" comment means he's angry with Sherlock?  I missed that discussion entirely -- could someone please explain the rationale?  (I agree with you, jesskayding -- thought it was obvious that John meant something like "Sherlock's coming back to whup the bad guys, and this time it's gonna be really good!")

 

[Arcadia]

 

I don't understand why most people posting believe that John is angry with Sherlock. I feel that what he said @ the end of The Last Vow..."Well he (Moriarty), better wrap up warm- There's an east wind comming", meant that he continues to see Sherlock as a hero. England's hero.

Huh? Some people think John's "east wind" comment means he's angry with Sherlock? I missed that discussion entirely -- could someone please explain the rationale? (I agree with you, jesskayding -- thought it was obvious that John meant something like "Sherlock's coming back to whup the bad guys, and this time it's gonna be really good!")

 

I should probably let the people referred to speak for themselves, but what the hey ...

 

I think what jesskayding is referring to is the feeling some people have expressed that John let Sherlock down, either by accepting Mary back into his life, or by failing to show more emotion at the airport farewell, or by not seeming very tuned in to Sherlock's inner life at all during Season 3. And jesskay (may I call you that?) is using the East Wind quote to show how John isn't angry with or dismissive of Sherlock.

 

Not that those two viewpoints are mutually exclusive. You can think your friend's a hero and still feel personally slighted, or still be wilfully ignorant of his feelings. Assuming that's what John is. Which I don't. Mostly. I do think maybe he takes Sherlock for granted a little bit. Sometimes.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Oh.  Yeah, I can see now that jesskayding may have meant precisely that, and if I'd understood it that way in the first place, I would have simply agreed.  Thanks, Arcadia.

 

[T.o.b.y]

Not that those two viewpoints are mutually exclusive. You can think your friend's a hero and still feel personally slighted, or still be wilfully ignorant of his feelings. Assuming that's what John is. Which I don't.

 

Me neither. But if I were John, I would be a bit fed up with Sherlock. He vowed to "always be there" for the Watsons, and that lasted less than a year before he went and dramatically maneuvered himself into a situation where it's practically guaranteed that he won't be able to be there for anybody any time soon. And John and Mary are supposed to be really grateful, too, because he did it for them. Nobody asked him to, by the way; Mary did try to take care of things on her own, but he had to step in. And for what? Only to commit the murder he prevented her from. Hurray.

 

I also would not necessarily assume Sherlock had too much human feeling. John seems to pretty much buy into the "sociopath" concept, and that seems entirely reasonable, after all the experience he's had with the guy. We, the audience, see a lot more of Sherlock's vulnerable, "warm" side, than John does. Maybe he should go have a chat with Molly. I bet she could tell him a few things.

 

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

 

But if I were John, I would be a bit fed up with Sherlock. He vowed to "always be there" for the Watsons, and that lasted less than a year before he went and dramatically maneuvered himself into a situation where it's practically guaranteed that he won't be able to be there for anybody any time soon. And John and Mary are supposed to be really grateful, too, because he did it for them. Nobody asked him to, by the way; Mary did try to take care of things on her own, but he had to step in

 

   Lady Smallwood did. Went to Baker Street for that expressed purpose. He was still working for Lady Smallwood and Mary when he went to Appledore believing the vaults were real and that negotiations were possible.

 

I'm more miffed as Mofftiss for doing this to Sherlock then I am at Sherlock himself. Yes, it's all in the script....I know. But still.....if they had stuck to Doyle's script Mary could have faked the drugging....snuck out after John and Sherlock....found her way to Appledore and completed her mission. She's supposed to be a sniper.....the long shot from cover with no one the wiser. She harries back to the homestead drinks the drugged punch....and Bob's your uncle....there you are.  Or maybe some other sniper from one of those countries Magnussen boasted about being able to torment....but anyway....we got what we got and can't change it. 

 

 Is Sherlock any less a hero in my eyes?.....no. Am I fangirling?....probably.....

 

[sfmpco]

Well, I just posted a bit of fan fiction regarding this episode and this 2-3 month time gap from the time Sherlock collapses at 221B to the Christmas get together at the Holmes homestead.  My version of the events.  ADDICTED TO A CERTAIN LIFESTYLE - seemed an appropriate title since I listened to that music hundreds of times while writing it.  Enjoy.