What about Sherlock's feelings for Molly?

[SherlockedCAMPer]

There's a difference between discussion and eating the brains.  I once had a discussion on earthworms & dissection with my roommates freshman year at uni.  I outlasted both of them and I don't necessarily have a strong stomach in certain circumstances.

[Carol the Dabbler]

True, discussing is far easier than ingesting!

 

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[T.o.b.y]

I have real trouble imagining Sherlock and Molly as a romantic couple (and I do not want any help from the series, really), but the set of pictures aboves still strikes me as pretty accurate. If anything happened to Molly, if anybody so much as threatened her, I expect Sherlock to go absolutely berserk. And boy, do I want to be there when that happens - as long as nothing really bad actually happens to Molly, in which case I will go berserk.

[sfmpco]

Well, I don't have any trouble imagining them as a couple, but romance is something he would have to learn, and I certainly don't see him ever as the sentimental romantic that John is.  Sherlock has a lot to learn about being in a relationship.  He IS capable of learning, but he's generally so self-centered and narcissistic that it would be difficult for him to tune into the needs and desires of another person.   

[T.o.b.y]

I wouldn't even want to see him try. I like him the way he is...

 

And I don't think John is a sentimental romantic, either. Not at all.

[sfmpco]

Compared to Sherlock, John is far more the romantic, and Sherlock even says so in the wedding speech.  We don't necessarily SEE John's romanticism, but we don't really see the private live of John and Mary anyhow.

[sfmpco]

I have real trouble imagining Sherlock and Molly as a romantic couple (and I do not want any help from the series, really), but the set of pictures aboves still strikes me as pretty accurate. If anything happened to Molly, if anybody so much as threatened her, I expect Sherlock to go absolutely berserk. And boy, do I want to be there when that happens - as long as nothing really bad actually happens to Molly, in which case I will go berserk.

 

Oh, I think the entire fandom would go beserk if anything happened to Molly, regardless of Sherlolly shipping.  Molly is a huge fan favorite, and Sherlock would definitely go beserk if she were in really danger.  Then again, she does hold his secrets about Reichenbach, and if baddies ever figured that out, that would put her in danger.

 

Sherlock doesn't tolerate any harm coming to the women in his life.  He even gave Sarah a little comfort after she was nearly killed, and she was of no particular interest to him.  I even suspect that if he were in a situation with Donovan where she was injured or in danger, he would up his game to protect her and help her.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I totally agree with Sherlock protecting the women as needed including Donovan. I dare say if anything happened to Molly that was worse than what the Americans did to Mrs. Hudson that the person(s) would likely be dead instead of severely injured.

[T.o.b.y]

I think he'd be lucky to meet no worse fate than Magnussen...

 

Sherlock is slightly old-fashioned about women, but I don't mind that. He's slightly old-fashioned in many ways, and he's still very capable of admiring women for more than their looks, so in my eyes, it's all fine.

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[SherlockedCAMPer]

I'm glad that example was a Sherlolly vs. a Johnlock. The closest to a Johnlock I get is what we have in the series, 2 really good friends and nothing romantic.

[sfmpco]

I'm glad that example was a Sherlolly vs. a Johnlock. The closest to a Johnlock I get is what we have in the series, 2 really good friends and nothing romantic.

 

Amen!

[Arcadia]

And I don't think John is a sentimental romantic, either. Not at all.

Yes and no. I think he romanticizes ...  or did, at least ... Sherlock. And he's sentimental in the sense that Sherlock uses the word, I would say. But there is something very restrained about John, and very practical and down-to-earth, that counters his emotional side. He's certainly the most well-rounded person in the show (although I suspect Lestade of  being like that as well).

[sittything]

I just wanted to add that the term shipping comes from the X-Files fandom, my other true love. ;)

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I just wanted to add that the term shipping comes from the X-Files fandom, my other true love. ;)

 

Always one to ruin the party! ;)

 

[sittything]

Awww...  sorry if I'm a buzzkill!  For me it's really cool!  lol.  Like a passing of the shiptastic torch or something...

 

 

    

 

 

 

[sfmpco]

So now go watch SKYFALL and tell me if there aren't a ton of elements it shares with TEH.  I do not make this stuff up!

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I did watch it on Saturday and remembered the rooftop scene.  Now I'm going to have to watch it again for everything else TEH (as the Bond theme plays through my head).

[sfmpco]

Oh, it's all the subway stuff too but backwards, and there's more but I can't remember all of it... oh yes, the motorcycle stuff...and more

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I remember the subway exit thing as well and recalled Sherlock...not placing the motorcycle at the moment.  Last post still stands, definitely need to re-watch it.

[T.o.b.y]

I'm glad that example was a Sherlolly vs. a Johnlock. The closest to a Johnlock I get is what we have in the series, 2 really good friends and nothing romantic.

 

I don't know, I think both pairings are at once utterly understandable and yet based on a misconception. Sherlock and John do share some kind of an odd love story, if you ask me, only I cannot for the life of me fathom where the idea came from to throw anything sexual in the mix there. I see zero hints for that on screen. Nil. (And a bunch of "mistaken for gay" jokes doesn't count. They wouldn't be the least bit funny if it was true, would they.)

 

Sherlock and Molly... Well, I wonder myself why I'm not sold on that idea. Theoretically, it'd be right up my street. My best guess is that I am averse to it on two, okay maybe three, grounds: One, it would take the emotional center of the story away from John and Sherlock, and that would be a pity, in my humble opinion. Two, Irene Adler is The Woman, meaning there really shouldn't be any other, or the story of her and Sherlock loses a lot of its sad romantic meaning. Three, it wouldn't work out well. I think Sherlock and Molly (but especially Molly) are much better off as good friends. She deserves someone more steady and, yes, more trustworthy. Sherlock fakes suicide at his best friends and gets engaged to commit a burglary. Yes, he has his friends' back when it comes to life or death, but they have to put up with a lot of crap in the meantime, and I wouldn't want dear Molly to deal with that in a relationship. Also, I can't picture Sherlock as a good husband and father in a happy home, and I haven't seen any evidence yet that that is not what Molly wants for her life.

 

I like to think they kind of missed each other. The first two seasons, she'd have been up for it, and he wasn't ready by any stretch and hadn't realized her worth, anyway. By series 3, he might be willing to give them a try, but by that time, she's figured out "the kind of man he is", and realized what a stupid idea it would be and how a real romantic relationship with Sherlock would never be like she dreamed. So if I get my way, they could have been together at some point, but they never will be, and that will be for the best for both of them. Not sure if that's what we'll see, though. I do get the impression that someone on the writing team is very keen on Sherlock and Molly...

 

I just wanted to add that the term shipping comes from the X-Files fandom, my other true love. ;)

 

I bet it's much older than that, though, even if it may not have had that name for long. Maybe I've read too many Jane Austen books, but I almost always find myself looking at characters in a story and trying to put together who should be with who (and in Jane Austen, I was always right, but then, she doesn't exactly make it very difficult to figure out). It was kind of a no-brainer with Mulder and Scully, don't you think? Sherlock is much harder. I don't think there's actually a "solution" for Sherlock, and for once, I am more than happy to keep it that way.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

 

I'm glad that example was a Sherlolly vs. a Johnlock. The closest to a Johnlock I get is what we have in the series, 2 really good friends and nothing romantic.

I don't know, I think both pairings are at once utterly understandable and yet based on a misconception. Sherlock and John do share some kind of an odd love story, if you ask me, only I cannot for the life of me fathom where the idea came from to throw anything sexual in the mix there. I see zero hints for that on screen. Nil. (And a bunch of "mistaken for gay" jokes doesn't count. They wouldn't be the least bit funny if it was true, would they.)

 

Sherlock and Molly... Well, I wonder myself why I'm not sold on that idea. Theoretically, it'd be right up my street. My best guess is that I am averse to it on two, okay maybe three, grounds: One, it would take the emotional center of the story away from John and Sherlock, and that would be a pity, in my humble opinion. Two, Irene Adler is The Woman, meaning there really shouldn't be any other, or the story of her and Sherlock loses a lot of its sad romantic meaning. Three, it wouldn't work out well. I think Sherlock and Molly (but especially Molly) are much better off as good friends. She deserves someone more steady and, yes, more trustworthy. Sherlock fakes suicide at his best friends and gets engaged to commit a burglary. Yes, he has his friends' back when it comes to life or death, but they have to put up with a lot of crap in the meantime, and I wouldn't want dear Molly to deal with that in a relationship. Also, I can't picture Sherlock as a good husband and father in a happy home, and I haven't seen any evidence yet that that is not what Molly wants for her life.

 

I like to think they kind of missed each other. The first two seasons, she'd have been up for it, and he wasn't ready by any stretch and hadn't realized her worth, anyway. By series 3, he might be willing to give them a try, but by that time, she's figured out "the kind of man he is", and realized what a stupid idea it would be and how a real romantic relationship with Sherlock would never be like she dreamed. So if I get my way, they could have been together at some point, but they never will be, and that will be for the best for both of them. Not sure if that's what we'll see, though. I do get the impression that someone on the writing team is very keen on Sherlock and Molly...

I just wanted to add that the term shipping comes from the X-Files fandom, my other true love. ;)

I bet it's much older than that, though, even if it may not have had that name for long. Maybe I've read too many Jane Austen books, but I almost always find myself looking at characters in a story and trying to put together who should be with who (and in Jane Austen, I was always right, but then, she doesn't exactly make it very difficult to figure out). It was kind of a no-brainer with Mulder and Scully, don't you think? Sherlock is much harder. I don't think there's actually a "solution" for Sherlock, and for once, I am more than happy to keep it that way.

For me I see Sherlock as an onion that Molly is slowly peeling back layer by layer. If the series went on for long enough, I could see them together more romantically but they would be a lot older. There is definitely something about Irene that intrigues Sherlock in the romantic way. The scene they had before Mrs. Hudson and the British agent guy arrived always had me wondering what would have happened if they had not been interrupted. Sherlock looked slightly out of his element there with a flood of hormones racing through.

[sfmpco]

I think the thing with Irene, however, is that she was called "The Woman" even before Sherlock met her.  And if she was the woman to him, it doesn't mean that is for a lifetime but maybe only for that time.  Ultimately i think she will continue to do what she has always done as a lifestyle, and I don't think her desire to "misbehave" will ever coincide with who he is or who he would ever have a relationship with.  Ultimately i don't think she can be trusted, unlike Molly who can be trusted, who he can be at ease with, to the point where she keeps him line.

 

I do think that Irene and Sherlock had a few genuine moments, but she was pushing it all the time, and he was testing where she was at.  Moffat and Gatiss have said that their feeling of Sherlock with Irene during the "I could have you right here on this desk until you begged for mercy twice" was Sherlock having a moment of sexual response where his blood drained from his head to another part of his anatomy.  But I never quite saw or felt that on screen.  I think he was a little challenged by her, but as soon as John said 007, he snapped out of it immediately.

 

There's a genuine sweetness between he and Molly which especially starts in S2. I expect in S4 (but not in the special) that she will get hurt by him.  He'll be a complete git in some way.  I don't know why, but I feel it coming.

[sfmpco]

BTW, I'm not certain Sherlock would ever know how to be romantic anyhow.  He would be at a complete loss.  He can barely say "thank you" and doing something nice for someone, even picking out a gift just because really doing factor into his way of thinking.  So I don't see a terribly "romantic" relationship with anyone.  He's more of "this is my world and the way I do things, deal with it or get lost."  He is a control freak at heart, always has to be the leader, the dominant one.  He can't really change that part of himself.  Then again, Miss Hopper doesn't tolerate his stupidity.  As George Carlin said, "Women are crazy and men are stupid.  And the reason women are crazy is because men are stupid."