What about Sherlock's feelings for Molly?

[Ruthyone]

Maybe she was referring to Tom as the 'dog' !!!!!!!  :lol:

Edited January 9, 2015 by Carol the Dabbler
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[SherlockedCAMPer]

Maybe she was referring to Tom as the 'dog' !!!!!!!  :lol:

 

Poor Tom if that's the case.  The actor is handsome enough with the right looks to be a Sherlock double take if you're not paying attention.

[sfmpco]

I think Tom was probably a nice enough fellow, but just was no match for Sherlock.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Maybe she was referring to Tom as the 'dog' !!!!!!!  :lol:

 

Poor Tom if that's the case.  The actor is handsome enough with the right looks to be a Sherlock double take if you're not paying attention.

 

Back when they were casting Series 3, there was a call for a tall, thin actor with a resemblance to Sherlock.  He was to play a waiter in the posh restaurant scene -- presumably, when the real Sherlock came in, John would assume he was just the waiter.  Then they decided it'd be even funnier if Sherlock was pretending to be a waiter all along.  But (as revealed in the DVD commentary) they really liked this one tall, thin guy, so they came up with Tom.  Or something like that.

[sfmpco]

And BOOM!  Another non-ACD canon character made it into two episodes.

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I feel sorry for Tom.

 

I don't think even Sherlock knows how he feels about Molly.

[sfmpco]

I feel sorry for Tom.

 

I don't think even Sherlock knows how he feels about Molly.

 

Maybe, maybe not.  I don't think he's good at expressing his feels anyhow except in action.  Verbally, not so much.

[Arcadia]

I feel sorry for Tom.

I sort of do, too. He seemed like a decent enough guy to me, and I didn't get the impression he was deliberately trying to be like Sherlock. Just his bad luck that he did remind everyone of Sherlock.

[sfmpco]

 

I feel sorry for Tom.

I sort of do, too. He seemed like a decent enough guy to me, and I didn't get the impression he was deliberately trying to be like Sherlock. Just his bad luck that he did remind everyone of Sherlock.

 

 

I still have the suspicion that Molly dressed Tom like that.

[Arcadia]

Ooooh. I didn't think of that. Now I REALLY feel sorry for him! And slightly creeped out when I remember the "lots of sex" line.....

[sfmpco]

Ooooh. I didn't think of that. Now I REALLY feel sorry for him! And slightly creeped out when I remember the "lots of sex" line.....

 

He was her substitute Sherlock.  As for the sex, I doubt Tom would be complaining.  He got the goods that Sherlock didn't.  She took years of pent up sexual frustration with Sherlock and Tom got the benefit...unless she was lying about having lots of sex just to make Sherlock jealous.

[Arcadia]

No, I don't think Tom was complaining, I meant I would find it rather creepy of Molly to use him that way. Just because he enjoyed it doesn't make it okay for her to use him, does it? Anyway, the more I think about it, I hope that's not the way it went. Ultimately I think just she or Tom, or maybe both of them together, realized that her heart was still elsewhere.

[sfmpco]

Oh yes, her heart was elsewhere was was clear in TEH and all through the wedding reception in TSOT.  She was twisting that ring off the whole time.  She was just suckered in my Sherlock's odd charm all over again.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I still have the suspicion that Molly dressed Tom like that.

 

Ooooh. I didn't think of that. Now I REALLY feel sorry for him! And slightly creeped out when I remember the "lots of sex" line.....

 

If she did do that -- and I can't deny that it's entirely possible -- then it was presumably unintentional on her part. After all, other people wear coats like that, and other people wear scarves like that, and even tie them like that. When she's talking to Greg at the end, she seems genuinely unaware that Tom is basically a substitute for Sherlock.

 

[sfmpco]

She seems unaware, but the fact that Lestrade, Sherlock and John noticed the remarkably similar dress is a clear indication that none of them are buying it that she's moved on.  Or as Sherlock so succinctly said, "Not saying a word."

[Carol the Dabbler]

Oh, obviously she's still hung up on Sherlock.  Just saying that we shouldn't blame her for "using" Tom, because she's not aware that she's doing it.

 

[sfmpco]

I think there's a conscious and unconscious level to it.  I don't think she's totally unaware that she is molding Tom, at least outwardly, into Sherlock.

[Arcadia]

Oh yes, her heart was elsewhere was was clear in TEH and all through the wedding reception in TSOT.  She was twisting that ring off the whole time.  She was just suckered in my Sherlock's odd charm all over again.

As was I. Damn the man! :D

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Oh yes, her heart was elsewhere was was clear in TEH and all through the wedding reception in TSOT.  She was twisting that ring off the whole time.  She was just suckered in my Sherlock's odd charm all over again.

As was I. Damn the man! :D

 

 

How  could anyone not love that strange creature?  

[J.P.]

There is a sentence that struck me lately. After Sherlock and Molly visit the Train Guy, they have that sweet dialogue about Tom etc. Sherlock says: "not all the men you fall for can turn out to be sociopaths". So he is well aware of Molly's feelings for him. 

 

When I look them both interacting I find it difficult to make up my mind. Is she really so awe struck in his presence? She often seems to say something stupid, not only to Sherlock, which initially makes her look like the Anderson counterpart of comic relief. She is totally overdressed at the little pre-Xmas party at Sherlock's. She seems to have quite poor social skills herself. Maybe that's why she is able to see the truth about S.

 

Sherlock has a brilliant mind, Molly has a brilliant heart. And she is NOT stupid. She is just not good with words.

 

Then, I don't see Sherlock being rude to her. He tells her about Jim from IT. He is talking about her hair. Or about her lipstick, but has absolutely no idea how to put things like this into proper words. They both blunder time after time, because they both don't know how to communicate on the small talk level.

 

Does it make sense? I think it's sleeping time again.

[sfmpco]

No, she's not terribly good with words, but she is getting better.  She really lets him have it in HLV.  Some people don't like that she resorted to slapping him, but I don't mind it, and clearly he didn't try to stop her either.  And then she tells him off but good.  She is the one who can correct his behavior above anyone else in a way that makes him understand...and she gets him to apologize.

 

She also holds the secret about how he accomplished his fake death, and although that hasn't been played with yet, it wouldn't surprise me if that didn't somehow threaten her well-being in S4, in which case Sherlock would turn absolutely monstrous.

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

I know that there are people who think Sherlock will continue to "walk all over" Molly, but I can see how much she has grown, as Sherlock has as well. She may still have feelings for him as she said on leaving the Train Guy's flat, maybe she did have a type. But I think they are very close in social ineptness and they are both learning to cope with it.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I think there could be times of Sherlock trying to walk over Molly but he won't get far.  She seems to have found her backbone and isn't afraid to use it.  I see their relationship growing even if we don't get a Sherlolly.  I'm interested to see how their relationship changes (and probably grows) is the special and S4.

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Oh yeah, I really do believe that Sherlock was sincere when he told Molly that Moriarty had made a mistake when he discounted Molly. That she counted and had always counted. It was her that Sherlock turned to when he knew that he was going to have to go toe to toe with Moriarty.

[sittything]

 

Ooooh!  I love this topic!

 

Given that Sherlock knew about Molly's feelings for him, this is why I really want to believe that he was entertaining the idea of something with Molly.  Otherwise that was a total git move to ask her to "solve crimes."

 

Based on what we saw in S3 I would be surprised to see a return to Sherlock walking all over Molly again.  For one thing, I feel like she's more self-assured that she matters to Sherlock, and even if that's only as a friend, I think that has gone a long way to transform her from the bumbling Molly into the Molly we saw in HLV.  Either that or she's just done with his nonsense.  lol.