What about Sherlock's feelings for Molly?

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I just wanted to add that the term shipping comes from the X-Files fandom, my other true love. ;)

 

I bet it's much older than that, though, even if it may not have had that name for long. Maybe I've read too many Jane Austen books, but I almost always find myself looking at characters in a story and trying to put together who should be with who (and in Jane Austen, I was always right, but then, she doesn't exactly make it very difficult to figure out). It was kind of a no-brainer with Mulder and Scully, don't you think? Sherlock is much harder. I don't think there's actually a "solution" for Sherlock, and for once, I am more than happy to keep it that way.

 

 

Oh, I didn't mean the concept of shipping/ship/shippers, just those actual terms.  But I would disagree that it was a no-brainer with Mulder and Scully.  There were whole debates on this back in the day on the internet apparently between the "shippers" and the "noromos."  I wasn't around for it, I watched the show and totally shipped them, but I have no first hand knowledge of the X-Files internet fandom back then.  Basically, it turned into an epic mess thanks to two stars with an insane amount of chemistry, and Chris Carter who swore up and down that they would NEVER be a couple, and that they loved each other but not romantically. 

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

I think the thing with Irene, however, is that she was called "The Woman" even before Sherlock met her....

For "our" Irene, that's true. But I suspect that a bit of canon has leaked into Sherlock's feelings/opinion about her, and in "Scandal in Bohemia" that was Holmes's private title for her.

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No one pouts better than Sherlock.

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I think the thing with Irene, however, is that she was called "The Woman" even before Sherlock met her....

For "our" Irene, that's true. But I suspect that a bit of canon has leaked into Sherlock's feelings/opinion about her, and in "Scandal in Bohemia" that was Holmes's private title for her.

 

 

And I think this is one of those things where Sherlock can't deviate too much from the "Holmesian DNA."  Irene Adler has to "eclipse and predominate the whole of her sex" for the entire time that John Watson is serving as Holmes's Boswell/blogger.  I think after that, he's free to form another relationship that is more adult and more quiet, and I like to think he settles down in Sussex Downs as a "hermit" with a companion.  I keep picking Janine for this (there are four of us in the world who like the Janine/Sherlock pairing as a retirement destination, and we meet in my living room  :lol:), but Molly would work in that scenario as well.  It just has to be pushed off until Sherlock's eventual retirement.

[Carol the Dabbler]

... I like to think he settles down in Sussex Downs as a "hermit" with a companion.  I keep picking Janine for this (there are four of us in the world who like the Janine/Sherlock pairing as a retirement destination, and we meet in my living room  :lol:), but Molly would work in that scenario as well.  It just has to be pushed off until Sherlock's eventual retirement.

Janine does seem the obvious choice. She's already got the cottage, so all he'd need to do is move in -- and get those beehives back.

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... I like to think he settles down in Sussex Downs as a "hermit" with a companion.  I keep picking Janine for this (there are four of us in the world who like the Janine/Sherlock pairing as a retirement destination, and we meet in my living room  :lol:), but Molly would work in that scenario as well.  It just has to be pushed off until Sherlock's eventual retirement.

Janine does seem the obvious choice. She's already got the cottage, so all he'd need to do is move in -- and get those beehives back.

 

 

 

[T.o.b.y]

I always thought Sherlock Holmes retiring and keeping bees was the dumbest idea in fiction since turning the Beast back into a prince. I was so glad when Janine bought the cottage and said she was getting rid of the hives, because I thought it was supposed to mean closing off that path for "our" Sherlock. When I read the commentary for His Last Vow and found out that Moffat actually imagined Sherlock moving there in his old age with Janine, I nearly burst a vessel. Now I want the original version back, and I never thought I'd say that. 

 

Luckily, though, it must be a long, long while until Sherlock ever so much as considers retiring and by that time, I bet the show isn't even running any more, so chances are good that I'll never be forced to see anything about his last years and can dream out my own version. Which I could do anyway. My brain is very creative when it comes to "fixing" plot developments in books and films and such like that I find unacceptable (a lot of my teenage scribbling was born out of me being dissatisfied with the so-called "happy endings" of most fairy tales...)

 

Back to Sherlock and Molly. Right now, I'm fighting the idea of them getting together tooth and nail, but those two actors are so damn good and their scenes together are so incredibly powerful that with the right script, they might yet win me over. Anyway, anything would be better than killing Molly off or tying her permanently to a nut-case like Tom. Goodness gracious, what was up with that guy? I thought he was pretty creepy.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I always thought Sherlock Holmes retiring and keeping bees was the dumbest idea in fiction since turning the Beast back into a prince.

I've never seen the entire Disney animation, but I've seen enough clips from it to agree with you 100%! The Beast was wonderful -- no wonder she fell in love with him! If you're talking about the original story, though, I suppose it all depends on how you're imagining the beast and how you're imagining the prince. Of course they're the same person, so it boils down to one's taste in appearances. If either of them looked like Peter Jackson's version of the goblin king, I'd opt for the other, sight unseen!

 

Luckily, though, it must be a long, long while until Sherlock ever so much as considers retiring....

In canon, he doesn't seem to be particularly old -- fifties? But I guess that was considered one step from the grave back then. Nowadays, I agree. I'd love to see Sherlock and John actively solving crimes at least into their seventies.

 

Back to Sherlock and Molly. Right now, I'm fighting the idea of them getting together tooth and nail, but those two actors are so damn good and their scenes together are so incredibly powerful that with the right script, they might yet win me over. Anyway, anything would be better than killing Molly off or tying her permanently to a nut-case like Tom. Goodness gracious, what was up with that guy? I thought he was pretty creepy.

Unlike (apparently) quite a few people, I don't find Tom creepy so much as simply what-does-she-see-in-him (other than the obvious). Maybe that's another argument for letting Molly find happiness with Greg -- she'd still be traveling in the same circles as Sherlock.

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ELEMENTARY's Sherlock studies bees up on his rooftop.  I can't see our Sherlock doing that.  Somehow it would seem too tedious and boring for him.  Now, continuing to to scientific research either in chemistry or forensics, publishing papers, continuing his blog, eventually doing Nobel Prize type of work... that I could see.  And to me the one who totally fits into that world is only Molly.  He doesn't really have to explain that stuff to her.  I think he would tire quickly of someone who asked too many questions because it just wasn't their area of expertise, like Janine.  

 

I can also see him having a dog again someday.

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ELEMENTARY's Sherlock studies bees up on his rooftop.  I can't see our Sherlock doing that.  Somehow it would seem too tedious and boring for him.  Now, continuing to to scientific research either in chemistry or forensics, publishing papers, continuing his blog, eventually doing Nobel Prize type of work... that I could see.  And to me the one who totally fits into that world is only Molly.  He doesn't really have to explain that stuff to her.  I think he would tire quickly of someone who asked too many questions because it just wasn't their area of expertise, like Janine.  

 

I can also see him having a dog again someday.

 

Molly seemingly likes dogs.  ;)

 

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Yes, whatever DID happen to that dog that she and Tom supposedly got together?  I'm assuming he got possession of the dog when they broke up.  

[Carol the Dabbler]

Maybe it didn't get along with her cat?

 

[Arcadia]

Maybe that's why they broke up.

 

As I recall, it was Tom's dog to begin with.

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She says in TEH "we've got a dog..."

[Arcadia]

I hear it as "he's got a dog" but you could be right.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

She starts out with 'we' & corrects it to 'he'. So you're both correct.

[Carol the Dabbler]

The subtitle says "He's got a dog," but my ears have always heard "We've got a dog."  (Maybe the subtitlers are prudes who don't want to consider the possibility they're living together -- even though they're undeniably having quite a lot of sex?)

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

Though I do see that Ariane DeVere's transcript agrees with CAMPer:  "We ... he’s got a dog."

 

I do recall Molly stammering a good bit during that whole scene, which may account for the variety of ways people hear what she says.

 

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We can agree on one thing... there was a dog in their relationship!

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The dog didn't like them being together, so it did all sorts of crazy things to make the weird mortician girl go away! :P

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Oh, I think Molly is a big softie towards animals.  Probably even the animals in the labs.

[Bendydoodle Cantaloupe]

Maybe the dog started liking her more than its own owner!

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