You know your "Sherlock" obsession is bad when...

[sfmpco]

I like to think that they're not purloining so much as they're paying homage to. :D

 

I think a certain amount of purloining is required in fanfiction, especially in dialogue, just to get the characters to speak correctly.

[Inge l-w]

Dear sfmpco, I just LOVE your idea that the entire Sherlock concept we have been watching is, in point of fact, a huge fanfiction project. If I could hug you through bits and bytes, I would!

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Isn't there a hug emoti on here? I'm on my phone or I'd check.

[besleybean]

I see BBC Sherlock as Mark and Steven's personal, modern homage to ACD.  They may occasionally nod to the fandom, but they will not be driven down that black hole of ........(I'll let others fill in the blanks!)

[sfmpco]

But it IS

[sfmpco]

But it IS a huge fanfiction project by two of the biggest fanboys ever.  Yes, it IS a modernization, but it's still fanfiction.  It's THEIR fanfiction.

 

And now someone has done it again with MR. HOLMES, the new film coming out.  Yet another fanfiction.  

[Inge l-w]

Yes!!! I am figuratively hugging you for all it's worth, dear sfmpco!

Dear besleybean, you must have read the Father Brown stories at some point in your life. If you dig into your memory, rather than the singularity of a black hole, you will immediately realise that Sherlock's very apt observation about a tuxedo in TEH is an almost verbatim quotation from The Queer Feet, that lovely Flambeaux story, although Father Brown deduced it differently, but the members of the club DID, in fact, decide to wear green evening dress from then on, in order not to be mixed up with the waiters. La Gazza Ladra, indeed!

A hug. for you, too, for jogging my memory

[sfmpco]

And now a little fan mugdom...

 

[Inge l-w]

Oh lovely! (figuratively in the voice of Mrs Hudson)

Dear SherlockedCamper, no need to search, I think I found it.

[sfmpco]

To me, fan fiction should be summarized as thus:  New fiction created about established fictional characters but not by the original author.  

 

That describes any incarnation of Sherlock Holmes beyond original canon.

 

That being said, not all fan fiction is created equal, but nevertheless, SHERLOCK, the BBC series, meets all the criteria for fan fiction - as does ELEMENTARY, as does MR. HOLMES.  People love playing with their favorite characters.  Nothing wrong with that.

 

What I do find interesting, is that the BBC and SHERLOCK's creators seem to embrace it even if they don't agree with all of it. They make no attempts to stamp any of it out with legal jargon of infringing on their characters.  It has inspired a vast amount of creativity from fictions to artwork to musical arrangements, choreographies, all sorts of things - and they embrace it and love it and even encourage it.

 

There's a very famous WHOLOCK video that they love.  They didn't bring out the lawyers saying, "You can't do that with our characters!"  No!  They thought it was great!  They love kind of stuff.  

 

I should add, however, that I don't think that attempts at direct interpretation of an ACD work onto film necessarily qualifies as fan fiction, but some can be quite off the mark.  

 

I'm rambling again.

[J.P.]

What I do find interesting, is that the BBC and SHERLOCK's creators seem to embrace it even if they don't agree with all of it. They make no attempts to stamp any of it out with legal jargon of infringing on their characters.  It has inspired a vast amount of creativity from fictions to artwork to musical arrangements, choreographies, all sorts of things - and they embrace it and love it and even encourage it.

 

Okay, now I understand why there is so much stuff around. It is soooo different from the attitude of the Tolkien Society, which is frustrating to say the less. Finally someone recognized the power of fandom.

[besleybean]

I don't think we do have that much power.

But we occasionally get a little of what we want.

This doesn't alter the fact that Mark and Steven wrote for themselves and nobody else.

[J.P.]

I didn't mean power to influence the work. 

The power of fandom is more trivial - paying the makers and spreading the word (which is nothing less than free of cost advertising)

[besleybean]

And a high class project, worthy of advertising.

[Arcadia]

And now a little fan mugdom...

 

 

Poor Anderson! Someone likes him even less than I do! And I also note that while I think the violet cup is striking, the polka dotted one looks more like what people would give me.

 

What I do find interesting, is that the BBC and SHERLOCK's creators seem to embrace it even if they don't agree with all of it. They make no attempts to stamp any of it out with legal jargon of infringing on their characters.  It has inspired a vast amount of creativity from fictions to artwork to musical arrangements, choreographies, all sorts of things - and they embrace it and love it and even encourage it.

 

There's a very famous WHOLOCK video that they love.  They didn't bring out the lawyers saying, "You can't do that with our characters!"  No!  They thought it was great!  They love kind of stuff.

 

Yeah, but try to market it and see what happens. Bam! They'd be on you like white on rice. As well they should be; it IS their intellectual property, after all.

 

Okay, now I understand why there is so much stuff around. It is soooo different from the attitude of the Tolkien Society, which is frustrating to say the less. Finally someone recognized the power of fandom.

 

I don't know what specifically the Tolkien Society's attitude is (heck, I didn't even know there was a Tolkien Society!) But I'd venture to say the circumstances are a bit different. Moftiss have adapted another author's work, one that is now in the public domain. The only thing they can lay claim to is their particular representation. Tolkien's work, on the other hand, is relatively recent and still under copyright. It just makes sense to protect that copyright as long as possible. I would, if it were mine. (I wish! )

[jadpdr]

In my case, I find it particularly funny when having to clarify the meaning of words like "facile" and "meretricious", and the first thought that comes to mind is hearing Sherlock speak them. Lovely mug concept, whoever thought of it should be commented!

[Carol the Dabbler]

Bit of a misunderstanding here, I think:

 

Dear sfmpco, I just LOVE your idea that the entire Sherlock concept we have been watching is, in point of fact, a huge fanfiction project. If I could hug you through bits and bytes, I would!

[sfmpco]

....when you start listening to violin Christmas music and think of Sherlock playing it...

[SherlockedCAMPer]

When you buy yourself an early birthday present

 

 

(All that is missing is Sigh of Four [out of stock] but I've read that and any short story that might be included with it.  Now to read the intros.)

[sfmpco]

When you buy yourself an early birthday present

 

 

(All that is missing is Sigh of Four [out of stock] but I've read that and any short story that might be included with it.  Now to read the intros.)

 

Damn.  Now I'll have to get those too... will my obsession ever end?????

[Carol the Dabbler]

Now if they'll just publish The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes in that series, I'll have all of the usual Holmes stories in matching paperbacks!

 

[Inge l-w]

Why? If you have the complete short stories and the complete novels from Chancellor Press or the Annotated Edition, the only new thing in these would be the forewords, which is recycled material from things both scriptwriter's have said in the Casebook and in the Chronicles. Would it not be better to save your money for the eventual DVDs of new material?

[sfmpco]

Logical but it doesn't necessarily fly with a collector.  :D Which is why I so far have 4 different DVDs of Star Trek Into Darkness...

[Inge l-w]

Dear sfmpco,

I can understand the feeling, although my collecting passion is philately, BUT there are four things I have double copies of:

Diane Duane's Romulan series

The Lord of the Rings (novels, not DVDs)

The Complete Raffles in Penguin Books

Raffles TV series.

I think I have mentioned elsewhere that as a child I found the villain Deslock in that Japanese animated series much more interesting than the heroes, so it would be par for the course.

OK, guv it's a fair cop!

I also have Season 3 in its regular format and in its Special Edition one!

[besleybean]

I too have multiple copies of The Canon...I even have it on my Kobo(E reader).

I am getting better with the DVDs.

At one point I had 3 complete sets of series 1-3.

I have given my original series to my parents, oh and I also gave my spare series 3 to my son.

I am still waiting to hear if my sister wants my other complete series.

I suppose I maybe should then decide what to do with my blue ray set...