John Watson

[T.o.b.y]

If Sherlock really did look at the drive, then I think we can safely assume that Mary is genuinely no threat to John. To everyone else, maybe, but not to John! :P

 

Erm... unless Sherlock was high at the time ... which I sometimes think he must have been through the entirety of HLV..... okay, never mind.

 

Why would she be a threat to him? She loves him... she must love him, or else her actions make no sense. Of course I am not sure exactly how healthy or unselfish her brand of love is. If John cheated on her or left her or was otherwise shitty to her, he might find himself in danger, but he's John Watson and we all know that isn't going to happen.

 

The only danger I can see is from her enemies, who of course wouldn't just target her if they found out where she was hiding, but her family and friends as well. But John likes danger, and he has the training and skills to deal with it, so I guess that's okay. Anyone attempting to kidnap the Watson baby is in for a very nasty surprise, I'd say.

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

The only danger I can see is from her enemies, who of course wouldn't just target her if they found out where she was hiding, but her family and friends as well. But John likes danger, and he has the training and skills to deal with it, so I guess that's okay.

 

Or at least John is accustomed to danger and psychologically able to deal with it (plus what you said about training and skills).

 

Arcadia: Of course Sherlock read the drive. Unless he already knew what was on it.

[Arcadia]

Why would she be a threat to him?

Oooo, you clearly have not scanned some of the Johnlock theories. She's obviously faking it all in order to have the right opportunity to kill Sherlock. (Never mind that she's already had that opportunity, many times, and even almost pulled it off at least once.)

 

Arcadia: Of course Sherlock read the drive. Unless he already knew what was on it.

Oh, you think so, eh? Maybe we should put a wager on it. Except I don't think the odds are remotely in my favor. :P

[T.o.b.y]

Of course I can't prove that Mary isn't faking it, but to me, the story makes zero sense if she doesn't love John. And I also think the scene where she shoots Sherlock is more powerful if she truly likes him nonetheless.

[Arcadia]

Oh, I agree totally. I'm just messin'.

 

I actually think the writers are more straightforward than a lot of people make them out to be. Sure, they're going to throw us a curve every once in awhile, and drop in some foreshadowing here and there .... that's just good writing. But I don't think their stories are so convoluted that you have to twist yourself into a pretzel to understand them.

 

Or maybe they are, and I'm just too dim to get it. :p

[Pseudonym]

I think John must have some idea what is on the thumb drive, or was advised by Sherlock what was on it, because he really doesn't seem like the type of man to just stick his head in the sand when something happens that he doesn't like. There is always the possibility that the one he threw into the fire was a dupe (though personally I don't think so). It's just Mycroft's lack of reaction given how over-protective he is of Sherlock that confuses me. 

 

There are two things I'd like so mention about John; whilst I appreciate that he is much more his own man in this interpretation and not as dopey as we've seen in some incarnations I wish he actually showed his affection for Sherlock more often. I get that he's a bit emotionally constipated but a lot of the time it seems like he barely tolerates him. 

Secondly, inviting your estranged wife, whom you haven't been speaking to, to a Christmas dinner at your best mate's family home, whom she shot, seems a pretty shitty thing to do. It's not just saying 'I forgive you' it seems a bit like rubbing Sherlock's face in the fact - and let's not forget she not only shot him but threatened him at the hospital and then threatened him again in the facade house (can't remember what it's called, lol). She never apologised for doing it, and seems to have no concept that it was wrong. I still can't believe John forgave her at all, I wouldn't, and he strikes me as a more vengeful character than the forgive and forget type. He's got too much anger in him for that, even if Sherlock has been encouraging John to get back together with her. Ditto if Sherlock invited her, I get the concept of him forgiving her (I can see Sherlock's pov being that it's ok to hurt him, so long as she doesn't hurt John) but it all just seems a bit too extreme - surely there is no way Sherlock could trust her again. Did she need to be there to keep her out of the way whilst Sherlock went after Magnussen? Baring in mind she's heavily pregnant at this point, is she that likely to go after anyone right now? I also think they should have left Wiggins out of that scene, I get he's there to keep an eye on everyone whilst Sherlock is out but he just doesn't fit in that scene in my opinion.  

 

Wow, that last bit turned into a stream-of-consciousness rant. Hope it makes sense :S

 

Off topic but did everyone else take that personality test? I came out as INTP-T, which is apparently less that 3% of the population and sounds very Sherlocky as I read it. Not sure if that's a good thing or not!

[Boton]

 

 

I keep picturing poor Lestrade running around London trying to solve the attempted murder of Sherlock Holmes .... and the victim himself doing everything he can to keep him from solving it.....

 

Fanfic idea...Hmm now to come up with something.

 

 

Please, please, please write this!

[Shadow Dweller]

>> Secondly, inviting your estranged wife, whom you haven't been speaking to, to a Christmas dinner at your best mate's family home, whom she shot, seems a pretty shitty thing to do.

 

That cottage home belongs to ma & pa Holmes, if they invited John as Sherlock's friend and they know that he is a married man, coming there (John) without Mary invites awkward questions and potentially polluted the atmosphere. What happened between John, Mary and Sherlock is only among themselves, completely separated from the Holmes parents and their intention to celebrate with their sons and someone who counts as a family friend from Sherlock's side (we know how rare it is for Sherlock).

 

>> Off topic but did everyone else take that personality test? I came out as INTP-T, which is apparently less that 3% of the population and sounds very Sherlocky as I read it. Not sure if that's a good thing or not!

 

Welcome to the crowd of INTPs here ;) I got mostly INTJ from various tests, 16personalities INTJ-A (this is where you take yours, correct?) and once ENTJ (the cognitive functions version). Try the Enneagram too please. ^^

[J.P.]

IMO Sherlock believes that Mary shooting him was the best she could do in the situation. So there is no additional reason not to trust her (beside her being an ex agent, but Sherlock likes risk, doesn't he?

 

And John not wanting to know her past because he loves her (along with Sherlock not wanting to be too thorough deducing her because he loves John) is just another proof for the chemical defect found on the loosing side. This opens a lot of dreadful possibilities for Consequences in S4.

[Pseudonym]

"Rubs hands together gleefully* Consequences...  :lol2:

 

Yup, first result was from 16 personalities. Well the Enneagram website is down so I tried it on eclectic energies website. I got a 5w6 making me an investigator. 

[Carol the Dabbler]

I think John must have some idea what is on the thumb drive, or was advised by Sherlock what was on it, because he really doesn't seem like the type of man to just stick his head in the sand when something happens that he doesn't like. There is always the possibility that the one he threw into the fire was a dupe (though personally I don't think so). It's just Mycroft's lack of reaction given how over-protective he is of Sherlock that confuses me.

The more I think about it, the more I agree that John has some idea what was on there.  He tells Mary that he didn't read it, and I believe him.  But my current headcanon is that Sherlock read it (of course Sherlock read it!) and gave John a brief analysis, like, "There were extenuating circumstances.  She can be trusted."

 

Without something of that sort, John would be an idiot to trust her -- and I don't think John is an idiot.

 

Added:  And Sherlock presumably gave Mycroft a more extensive synopsis -- if not an actual copy!

 

Secondly, inviting your estranged wife, whom you haven't been speaking to, to a Christmas dinner at your best mate's family home, whom she shot, seems a pretty shitty thing to do. It's not just saying 'I forgive you' it seems a bit like rubbing Sherlock's face in the fact....

 

Shadow kinda beat me to this, but I doubt that John was the one who invited her.  The other invitations seem to have been issued by Mummy (who clearly insisted that Mycroft come) and Sherlock (who must have brought Wiggins).  So my money is on one of them inviting her.

 

Off topic but did everyone else take that personality test? I came out as INTP-T, which is apparently less that 3% of the population and sounds very Sherlocky as I read it. Not sure if that's a good thing or not!

 

We've got a whole thread on that.

 

I'm an INTP myself, but am not familiar with the "-T" part of the designation.  Could you explain and/or link to a site that does?

[T.o.b.y]

 

I think John must have some idea what is on the thumb drive, or was advised by Sherlock what was on it, because he really doesn't seem like the type of man to just stick his head in the sand when something happens that he doesn't like. There is always the possibility that the one he threw into the fire was a dupe (though personally I don't think so). It's just Mycroft's lack of reaction given how over-protective he is of Sherlock that confuses me.

The more I think about it, the more I agree that John has some idea what was on there.  He tells Mary that he didn't read it, and I believe him.  But my current headcanon is that Sherlock read it (of course Sherlock read it!) and gave John a brief analysis, like, "There were extenuating circumstances.  She can be trusted."

 

Without something of that sort, John would be an idiot to trust her -- and I don't think John is an idiot.

 

Exactly. I agree.

[Shadow Dweller]

8w7 here.

Let's continue this line of discussion on the appropriate thread, shall we? There are around 62 pages there already, plenty of materials to read. ^^

[Pseudonym]

Okey dokey, back to John-boy here then :D

[Carol the Dabbler]

Thanks, Shadow & Pseudo.  I've moved most of the personality-type stuff over to the Myers-Briggs thread, starting here.

[Pseudonym]

Hope I don't get lynched for this (though on here we're not the lynching kind) but does anyone else think it sometimes looks like John has false teeth? I dunno, I suppose it's a compliment in a way if your teeth are so straight and white they look fake... veneers maybe? I don't notice so much when it's Martin as himself or in other roles, just as John

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I haven't noticed any difference in Martin's teeth whether he's portraying John, someone else or just being himself.

 

 

(If any lynching is done on here, it's either A accidental or B in the Shoot The Wall thread which usually means someone/thing not on here is being lynched verbally.)

[Pseudonym]

I can't figure out what it is, if he smiles differently or something. Hm. 

[Carol the Dabbler]

I haven't noticed any difference in Martin's teeth whether he's portraying John, someone else or just being himself.

 

I take it you've never seen Wild Target! :D

[Carol the Dabbler]

I can't figure out what it is, if he smiles differently or something. Hm.

He does seem to have different mannerisms for just about every character, so it's quite possible that he smiles differently too. I'd never really noticed, though (except in Wild Target!).

[Pseudonym]

Were there any rumours of who else read for the role of John?

[Carol the Dabbler]

I believe they said -- umm -- whoever was the next Doctor after that.  But with him, it was more like two Sherlocks.

[Pseudonym]

Christopher Eccleston? David Tennant? Matt Smith? I can't actually imagine any of them working! That must have been what made it so tough, finding an actor who could be strong and opinionated but in a completely different way to Sherlock. I never really appreciated it before, that most leading men are more 'Sherlock' types. Saying that I would have put Jude Law as a Holmes more than Watson but he did it well. 

[Carol the Dabbler]

I agree with you, except regarding Jude Law.  I really think he's more of a Holmes type than Downey is -- but I guess that's their twist on the stereotype.

[Arcadia]

Matt Smith, and if I'm not mistaken, even though they didn't like him for Watson, it helped him get the role of Who.

 

Agreed on Jude Law, it was an odd casting choice.