What *really* happened in Karachi?

[Shadow Dweller]

Shall we close for a week so everybody can finish their stuff? :P

Nonononono, I will go insane from lack of daily dose of this forum T_T

 

*whispers* Karachi is part of the story Mycroft fed to John. What if the real failed beheading was not there? We only see very little of the surrounding, it could be anywhere.

[Van Buren Supernova]

Well, they sure got quite memorable beheadings in Game of Thrones :lol:. As for Orcs, there's a rough analogue but I can't spell that out without spoilers.

:D

 

Shall we close for a week so everybody can finish their stuff? :P

:sherlock2:   J.P!!!!!

 

 

Noooo... I think it's not fair. It's never fair to write additional scene after that! (especially because I don't like it  ).

 

When we saw him in SIB, after John gave him Irene's phone,

he was shown thinking and smiling, after he read Irene's text again. I would think he wouldn't behave like that if Irene left him naked in Karachi, and of course I would hate her for that. How can someone do that after being saved in that situation? Nahhhhh..

 

The others are fine, it's good. 'Bickering' every 6 months sounds interesting.

Maybe after Karachi Sherlock actually agreed to finally have dinner. I don't think they would do the naughty bits, but Sherlock would need shower after hacking all the terrorists,

and there, Irene stole his clothes and left him, and left him a string of riddles about how to find his clothes again.

That might work better for me and the Sherlock SIB scene above.

[J.P.]

 

Shall we close for a week so everybody can finish their stuff? :P

:sherlock2:   J.P!!!!!

 

Um... Apologies.

[sittything]

My in-laws are coming to see our "new" (ten-year-old) house in less than two weeks -- and I have ten years' worth of accumulated crud to organize.  Trust me, this forum is far more interesting than doing that!

 

My sympathies.  We've been in our house 5 years now, and I swear the longer we live here the worse it gets.  My H was never a neat, organized person... bit of a pack rat, and at some point I just gave up trying to keep both of our stuff in control so the state of our house drives me mad most days.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

 

My in-laws are coming to see our "new" (ten-year-old) house in less than two weeks -- and I have ten years' worth of accumulated crud to organize. Trust me, this forum is far more interesting than doing that!

My sympathies. We've been in our house 5 years now, and I swear the longer we live here the worse it gets. My H was never a neat, organized person... bit of a pack rat, and at some point I just gave up trying to keep both of our stuff in control so the state of our house drives me mad most days.

You and I would never work as house mates. I'm like your hubby. Total pack rat. I cleaned my bed off a few months ago, and you wouldn't know it by looking at it. And you have to move stuff to get into the closet (the room is narrow for a queen bed to begin with.)

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

And especially if Sherlock only had the sword and some of the terrorists had AK 47s.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Karachi is part of the story Mycroft fed to John. What if the real failed beheading was not there? We only see very little of the surrounding, it could be anywhere.

True. Though more likely Karachi than London, judging by what little we do see.

 

Hey, wait a minute -- are you saying you don't trust Mycroft?!  :o

 

When we saw him in SIB, after John gave him Irene's phone, he was shown thinking and smiling, after he read Irene's text again. I would think he wouldn't behave like that if Irene left him naked in Karachi, and of course I would hate her for that. How can someone do that after being saved in that situation? Nahhhhh..

 

I was wondering about that myself, but then it occurred to me that Sherlock might actually get a kick out of her playing a clever trick like that, even on him. (What was it that he enthusiastically described as "Neat!"? It wasn't one of his own ideas, at any rate.  Oh, right, the mercury on the candy wrappers in "Reichenbach.")

 

My sympathies.  We've been in our house 5 years now, and I swear the longer we live here the worse it gets.  My H was never a neat, organized person... bit of a pack rat, and at some point I just gave up trying to keep both of our stuff in control so the state of our house drives me mad most days.

My condolences. I'm afraid I'm the pack rat in our family, so you and Alex can commiserate with each other.

[sittything]

Carol, it's no biggie.  I just hang out here and turn a blind eye to the mess.  ;)

[Shadow Dweller]

 

Karachi is part of the story Mycroft fed to John. What if the real failed beheading was not there? We only see very little of the surrounding, it could be anywhere.

True. Though more likely Karachi than London, judging by what little we do see.

 

Hey, wait a minute -- are you saying you don't trust Mycroft?! :o

Based on his character template, I trust Mycroft to say anything necessary to ensure Sherlock's well-being ^-^

[SherlockedCAMPer]

 

 

Karachi is part of the story Mycroft fed to John. What if the real failed beheading was not there? We only see very little of the surrounding, it could be anywhere.

True. Though more likely Karachi than London, judging by what little we do see.

 

Hey, wait a minute -- are you saying you don't trust Mycroft?! :o

Based on his character template, I trust Mycroft to say anything necessary to ensure Sherlock's well-being ^-^

 

 

I'd 2nd that.  He cares for his brother in a weird possibly somewhat dysfunctional way.

[J.P.]

*whispers* Karachi is part of the story Mycroft fed to John. What if the real failed beheading was not there? We only see very little of the surrounding, it could be anywhere.

 

There was a theory over at IMDB, that the beheading was staged (e.g. for Mycroft). But we found out quite quickly that it wouldn't make sense, because why would they stage Sherlock's rescue ride?

[Arcadia]

When we saw him in SIB, after John gave him Irene's phone, he was shown thinking and smiling, after he read Irene's text again. I would think he wouldn't behave like that if Irene left him naked in Karachi, and of course I would hate her for that. How can someone do that after being saved in that situation? Nahhhhh..

I was thinking that was WHY he was smiling!

[Shadow Dweller]

 

 

*whispers* Karachi is part of the story Mycroft fed to John. What if the real failed beheading was not there? We only see very little of the surrounding, it could be anywhere.

There was a theory over at IMDB, that the beheading was staged (e.g. for Mycroft). But we found out quite quickly that it wouldn't make sense, because why would they stage Sherlock's rescue ride?

Staged by who? Sherlock and Mycroft likely not the only parties interested here. Someone like Irene Adler is more useful alive than dead. Who knows with whom Irene had strike a deal with, only to have Sherlock come to rescue and thus giving her alternative route beside fulfilling her part of the deal.

[J.P.]

 

Van Buren:

When we saw him in SIB, after John gave him Irene's phone,

he was shown thinking and smiling, after he read Irene's text again. I would think he wouldn't behave like that if Irene left him naked in Karachi, and of course I would hate her for that.

 

Well, he might just appreciate how clever she was.

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

It does seem that she survived Karachi somehow. That singular rose with the fancy W, might be a hint? I think he did appreciate her cleverness. The last breathed "the Woman" was one of admiration, at least to me.

[J.P.]

Yes, the rose. :D

[Carol the Dabbler]

I'm absolutely certain that Irene did survive Karachi -- otherwise how could Sherlock have looked so happy in the final scene?  Even he isn't sufficiently callous to be grinning at the memory of a sometime-friend's death.

 

[Boton]

I'm absolutely certain that Irene did survive Karachi -- otherwise how could Sherlock have looked so happy in the final scene?  Even he isn't sufficiently callous to be grinning at the memory of a sometime-friend's death.

 

I am too, and whether or not they have an ongoing relationship or she remains a pleasant memory for him, there's no real reason to kill her for story purposes.  Although I wouldn't swear that this was ACD's purpose behind creating Irene, I think most modern incarnations (even those that take place in the Victorian era) use Irene to humanize Holmes and show that he's not the emotionless automaton he sometimes acts like.  To that extent, this was very successful, and having Sherlock go and rescue her really furthers the narrative of him seeing himself as a pirate or a dragon slayer.  I'd like to see that aspect of the character (Sherlock) played up a bit more in season 4.

[Van Buren Supernova]

I was wondering about that myself, but then it occurred to me that Sherlock might actually get a kick out of her playing a clever trick like that, even on him. (What was it that he enthusiastically described as "Neat!"? It wasn't one of his own ideas, at any rate.  Oh, right, the mercury on the candy wrappers in "Reichenbach.")

 

 

Well, he might just appreciate how clever she was.

 

 

I was thinking that was WHY he was smiling!

I like and agree with the idea that he might like that clever trick on him. (But it's just nasty, to point a gun and strip your saviour naked after that kind of incident. Unless, unless, the whole thing was staged by Irene to test Sherlock then it's a clever trick I can appreciate).

 

I don't mind the threaten with gun part and even the naked part, just think that there should be some scene in between.

 

Maybe I am over-protective with Sherlock, and that is one of a symptom of early insanity. But I am not alone! :lol:

[Carol the Dabbler]

I don't mind the threaten with gun part and even the naked part, just think that there should be some scene in between.

You mean, something like what Boton suggested earlier?

 

OK, I'm going to go with this:  Sherlock indeed brandishes that sword at the terrorists but manages to threaten/deduce them into fleeing without him actually having to take a life.  He grabs Irene's hand, and they run off to relative safety, wherever that may be.  Once there, the adrenaline gets the better of both of them, and they have a mad, passionate, "very loving," life-affirming...encounter.  As Sherlock is then leaning back in the afterglow, Irene pulls a gun and holds him at gunpoint while she dresses in his clothes and escapes into the night.

 

There.  Gatiss, Cumberbatch, and Moffat, all in agreement.

 

[Van Buren Supernova]

Yes, something like that. But in my mind, without the passionate..encounter.

Because I like the idea that Sherlock doesn't care for those.

 

They could play Cluedo though, or anything, just don't leave him naked there with the terrorists after he saved her!

It's Karachi, showing certain body parts in public might be taboo, let alone naked. Hmppph..

[Carol the Dabbler]

I doubt that Boton imagined that scene being "in public"!  ;)

[Inge l-w]

YEP! And when I try to complain about the way Mr Moffat acts out all his childhood frustrations AGAINST Sherlock Holmes throughout the series, I get half the forum baying for blood! There is an Ao3 story dealing with that particular iteration, where she leaves him naked in the middle of the desert somewhere between Karachi and London, making him strip at gunpoint. The story is called Irene's Grand Finale.

[Van Buren Supernova]

I doubt that Boton imagined that scene being "in public"! ;)

I'm sure it's not :lol:, and they can play Cluedo naked if they wanted to.

 

Jusy don't leave him naked right after he saved her in terorist's place. Bring him somewhere safe first. :lol:

[Boton]

I doubt that Boton imagined that scene being "in public"!  ;)

 

No, definitely not!  

 

If anything, I imagine it happening in a little seedy hotel, and Sherlock sneaks out wearing a sheet and does the old Hollywood trope of stealing clothes off someone's clothes line (which are always the perfect size, natch) and then making his escape, shaking his head the whole way at Irene's cheek in the whole thing.