Episode 4.2 "The Lying Detective"

[bedelia1984]

 

 

My theory is, it means Euros obtained it some time ago, and she's the one who pinned it to the wall. Before that, Smith (or someone) kept it in a book. (Why did Smith keep it, that's the big question.)

 

And I further deduce that's why her living space was so small that the paper was bleached the way it was; because she was in a prison cell or sanitarium room, or something like that. Not a kitchen. Although I'm not sure why the cooking smells would be there, in that case.

 

 

I've lately been imagining Mummy and Daddy Holmes enacting a sick version of Wuthering Heights, where the mad woman is kept in the basement instead of the attic... And all the while Sherlock and Mycroft enjoy their Christmas dinners upstairs, with Sherlock at least blissfully unaware.

 

I do wonder if the biggest shocker of the season is Sherlock ending up being both the nicest and the sanest of the family.

 

 

 

 I still think someone was interfering with the video feed so that the watchers couldn't be quite sure she was there. But she definitely was, imo.

 

She was there, as Eurus explicitly admits.  As to someone "interfering with the video feed", I might buy that if the writers hadn't also had Mrs. Hudson ask 'What friend' - which exists for the sole purpose of giving the -audience- the impression Faith was a figment of Sherlock's imagination, when in fact it was just a COINCIDENCE (again) that Mrs H HAPPENED not to see Eurus because she'd already stepped outside. 

 

As to the video feeds, that's just another cheat by the writers.  Recall both Sherlock AND Eurus are standing in the middle of an empty street when the helicopter flies overhead and sees them them.  She might be able to avoid or interfere with the cameras, but she is NOT invisible.  So even if the writers later try to use the excuse that she did mess with the feed so Mycroft and others who might recognize her wouldn't see her, that just won't fly.

 

 

 

I would think Eurus would be adept in avoiding being seen by people, given that she's some sort of lunatic on the run, added to that Mrs. Hudson is not the most eagle eyed of landladies. 

 

I can forgive the video interference reference in the sense that it is part of a motif that Moriarty has used before as part of his plans, and we've seen Mycroft also do it quite recently. I suppose it is a little convenient that the writers have this sort of 'rewriting history' device at their disposal- but I don't mind if it is done to good effect, and especially if there is some sort of payoff in relation to the Moriarty aspect- he had a few links to TV,- the Richard brooks thing, turning the media against sherlock(?) and of course his last message.

 

My impression from the interviews Moftiss give is that cheating is all part of the fun for them!

[J.P.]

What amazes me - Mycroft and Lady Smallwood are very patient about "dealing with Moriarty". Sherlock waits quite a while. :D

[Arcadia]

I do wonder if the biggest shocker of the season in Sherlock ending up being both the nicest and the sanest of the family.

 

I can forgive the video interference reference in the sense that it is part of a motif that Moriarty has used before as part of his plans, and we've seen Mycroft also do it quite recently. I suppose it is a little convenient that the writers have this sort of 'rewriting history' device at their disposal- but I don't mind if it is done to good effect, and especially if there is some sort of payoff in relation to the Moriarty aspect- he had a few links to TV,- the Richard brooks thing, turning the media against sherlock(?) and of course his last message.

I think that's what gave me the idea in the first place ... I associate Moriarty with video now.

 

There's one shot ... pretty sure it's from the helicopter ... where I swear I saw both Eurus and Sherlock. But it was so fleeting I can't be sure. As they intended, of course.

 

Is this whole surveillance camera stuff a real thing in Britain? I mean, I know cameras exist, but can they really track someone that closely? Scary.

[Arcadia]

What amazes me - Mycroft and Lady Smallwood are very patient about "dealing with Moriarty". Sherlock waits quite a while. :D

Yeah, if Sherlock doesn't watch out, he's going to end up on that six-month mission after all. :D

 

They haven't managed the time jump too well this time around, have they? Ah well, minor detail. Maybe they'll even come up with a semi-plausible explanation.

[bedelia1984]

 

I think that's what gave me the idea in the first place ... I associate Moriarty with video now.

 

There's one shot ... pretty sure it's from the helicopter ... where I swear I saw both Eurus and Sherlock. But it was so fleeting I can't be sure. As they intended, of course.

 

Is this whole surveillance camera stuff a real thing in Britain? I mean, I know cameras exist, but can they really track someone that closely? Scary.

 

 

Yes, I remember that shot too! The thing I am most puzzled about is how much Mycroft already knows about Eurus and what she's been up to.

 

Ireland is a bit more lax, but I do hear of more cases in Britain being solved due to CCTV etc, so in London especially I would expect the coverage to be quite good. I'm just remembering Mycroft's stalking of John by CCTV in the first episode- that was great! Points for continuity.

[Arcadia]

Well, I know many many (too many, imo) buildings have cameras now, to cover the entrances in case of burglary and that sort of thing. But this whole thing of a command center where they can follow someone's trail all over the city? I hope not. Although it led to a great joke.

 

By the way, when Sherlock salutes the camera ... is he drinking a beer?

[Pseudonym]

Oh, God, not a beer!  :o 

 

Yea, there are command centres monitoring our CCTV so that things can be spotted and the police sent out to deal with it. Something really freaky and big brotherish is that in some cities they were trialling speakers connected to the cameras so if someone is doing something they shouldn't - vandalism etc that doesn't require police to be sent in the guys in the command centre can actually talk over the speaker and tell the person misbehaving that they are being watched and to cease doing what they are doing. I'm not sure if it ever became a thing but I watched a fascinating documentary on UK CCTV where they trialled it and it seemed to work well (obviously, who wouldn't be freaked out by that?). They also had a segment on Oxford Street in London, where they were following drug dealers from camera to camera until they had enough evidence recorded to send in the cops to arrest them. 

[Arcadia]

Ugggh. I hope we don't do that here. Although I can think of worse things.

[BLS_Pro]

Ugggh. I hope we don't do that here. Although I can think of worse things.

 

From a survey performed in 2011, of cities worldwide Bejing has the most government CCTV surveillence cameras, coming in at over 470,000.  London came in second with more than 420,000.  Chicago came in a far 3rd with less than 17,000, with NYC coming in 5th with less than 5,000 (Houston TX was supposedly 4th, but the numbers had to be estimated due to Homeland Security for some reason).

 

So yes, we do that here (I presume 'here' for you is America).  But no we don't do that at levels even close to those approaching London.  London is imfamous for its Big Brother levels of government watchfulness by camera.

 

 

 

There's one shot ... pretty sure it's from the helicopter ... where I swear I saw both Eurus and Sherlock. But it was so fleeting I can't be sure. As they intended, of course.

The first helicopter shot is when they have just finished their chips.  The helicopter clearly sees Sherlock standing and Eurus sitting.  Then they cut to the two of them walking.  It is, as you said, intentionally dark and viewed for a fleeting moment by the audience.  But if you were a security person tasked with following Sherlock, you would be able to to see that there is someone walking with him.

 

Furthermore, in the scene where they are standing in the middle of the empty street while Sherlock makes deductions about Faith's note, the helicopter flies overhead and shines it bright spotlight on BOTH of them.  It would be impossible for the government to conclude Sherlock is "alone" at this point.  Yet the writers continue with that blatant falsehood for the purposes of trying to fool the viewers ONLY.  That is the bad writing.

 

 

By the way, when Sherlock salutes the camera ... is he drinking a beer?

It is unclear what both he and Eurus are drinking.  They each have identical cans, thinner than the usual beer can, and reminiscent in color and shape of the somewhat larger, thin Red Bull cans.  But the show is careful not to reveal any brand name (don't want to have to pay for it), so it could be anything from a cola, (though again not in a standardized can) to red bull type of drink, to a beer-type alcohol. 

[Pseudonym]

Assuming they got the cans in the same place they got the chips it wouldn't be beer, chip shops aren't licensed to sell beer. 

[BLS_Pro]

 

I would think Eurus would be adept in avoiding being seen by people, given that she's some sort of lunatic on the run, added to that Mrs. Hudson is not the most eagle eyed of landladies.

 

It has nothing to do with Eurus evading Mrs H or Mrs H not being eagle-eyed.  She doesn't exit her flat until well after Eurus has exited the flat.  Even an eagle-eyed person simply would not have seen her.  She was COINCIDENTALLY already gone.  That is the bad writing.

 

 

I can forgive the video interference reference

Except in the snippet they show, there is no interference.  It's just somewhat dark.  And so the audience would have trouble seeing if another person was with Sherlock, but a person tasked with that job and who was able to look at the screen for more than two second would have NO that trouble at all.  It's just bad writing.

 

Furthermore, that excuse doesn't work for when the helicopter finds them again and hovers over them with its spotlight directly on BOTH of them in the middle of an empty street.  Its just bad writing.

 

My impression from the interviews Moftiss give is that cheating is all part of the fun for them!

That doesn't make it good writing.  Tricking the audience by tricking characters in the story is one thing.  Tricking the audience despite no one being tricked (or evading the fact that no one could be tricked) in the story is just bad writing.

 

It is the Wizard saying "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"  That is just bad.

 

[BLS_Pro]

So it would appear that Eurus used the Moriarty "Did you miss me" video save Sherlock from being sent to his death.  Any speculation as to why she might do that - other than supposedly wanting to be the one directly responsible for his death.  If they are NOT going that direction, any clue what alternatives there might be for her actually saving him?


Edit:  I'm presuming in the above question that it wasn't Mycroft who saved him because it would have 'broken his heart' otherwise.  I still haven't decided which is actually the more plausible explanation.  In fact, that's one of the reasons I'm asking the question - to spur the brain cells.

 

[Surelock]

So it would appear that Eurus used the Moriarty "Did you miss me" video save Sherlock from being sent to his death.  Any speculation as to why she might do that - other than supposedly wanting to be the one directly responsible for his death.  If they are NOT going that direction, any clue what alternatives there might be for her actually saving him?

 

 

 

Euros wants Sherlock to help her enact her vengeance on her big bad brother Mycroft. In the climax, Euros does a lot of bad stuff. She has Mycroft at gunpoint. Mycroft tells Euros that he loves her. Euros then accepts his apology and willingly gives herself up to the authorities.

 

Euros became insane and a criminal master mind because all along she just wanted Mycroft to tell her that he loved her the same way he loved Sherlock.

 

The End

[BLS_Pro]

 

So it would appear that Eurus used the Moriarty "Did you miss me" video save Sherlock from being sent to his death.  Any speculation as to why she might do that - other than supposedly wanting to be the one directly responsible for his death.  If they are NOT going that direction, any clue what alternatives there might be for her actually saving him?

 

 

 

Euros wants Sherlock to help her enact her vengeance on their big bad brother Mycroft. In the climax, Euros does a lot of bad stuff. She has Mycroft at gunpoint. Mycroft tells Euros that he loves her. Euros then accepts his apology and willingly gives herself up to the authorities.

 

All along Euros just wanted Mycroft to tell her that he loved her the same way he loved Sherlock.

 

The End

 

OMG, Mycroft IS the (Red) Queen!!!

 

;)

 

 

(Sorry, if you didn't watch Disney's second 'Alice' movie you'll likely not get part of that reference)

 

[BLS_Pro]

Has it been mentioned/discussed here yet, the tombstone from Sherlock's mind palace in TAB which says "Beloved Sister Faithful Beyond Death"  Could that be some subconscious thought about Eurus, especially since the corpse rises - saying "Do not forget me" - even though the (Victorian) case is solved (that always bothered me)?

Also, if water/drowning/death is what happened in relation to Eurus, does that somehow explain the existence of the waterfall at the end of TAB (esp as "Do not forget me" comes as a jump cut to the waterfall) as well as the "deep waters" comments sprinkled throughout - and thus all the water references in T6T are just a continuation of that subconscious connection?

I know Sherlock has to figure out his repressed memories, but I wonder if the writers are going to have something more for him to do?  In other words, I wonder if there is something related to the Eurus case in her youth which she needs Sherlock to solve/resolve for her?

Also, the song "Do not forget me" begins: "Golden years ago, in a mill beside the sea, There dwelt a little maiden"  More of his subconscious speaking to him?

[BLS_Pro]

Also from TAB (could you guess I've rewatched it - heh):  in Mycroft's notebook, pertaining to Redbeard (which is squared and used as a header, much like a code-name) is the date 6/1/74.  Given that TLD may have just confirmed the general date of Sherlock's birth, could this be more evidence for the "It's never twins" (except that it is twins for Eurus and Sherlock)?

[BLS_Pro]

Wow - they seem to have jammed TAB full of clues for this season and Eurus.  Right down to Mind Palace Victorian Sherlock mentioning he was interested in understanding the Obliquity of the Ecliptic and the end credits spell out Ecliptic Obliquity.  It is interesting to note the definition of Obliquity is: "deviation from moral rectitude or sound thinking" (which could have a double reference - to his own problematic thinking ie repressed memories - and to Eurus [presumable] deviation from moral behavior).

And the skull on the wall is really a woman looking in a mirror.  The episode is veritably overflowing (a water reference, get it?  ha! - :roll eyes: ) with clues. 


I'm beginning to wonder if Eurus faked her own death. 

[Arcadia]

Has it been mentioned/discussed here yet, the tombstone from Sherlock's mind palace in TAB which says "Beloved Sister Faithful Beyond Death"  Could that be some subconscious thought about Eurus, especially since the corpse rises - saying "Do not forget me" - even though the (Victorian) case is solved (that always bothered me)?

Ooooh, nice idea! The inclusion of that scene always puzzled me too. I'm beginning to think TAB had a lot more to do with season 4 than we ever realized.

 

The other thing I notice is the theme of "vengeful women" that started in TAB is continuing. Not just vengeful women either; look at Mrs. Hudson's role this time around! If this turns out to be deliberate, that will be so cool.

[jadpdr]

And we shall come full circle this evening, hopefully, answering most of the major questions and getting closure on some others! It's supposed to be a collaboration from the word 'go', so there's no point in blaming Mr Gatiss for TST and lauding Mr Moffat for TLD. The respective directors, on the other hand, have a lot to answer for.

[BLS_Pro]

 

I'm beginning to think TAB had a lot more to do with season 4 than we ever realized.

 

I suspect TAB and 4.3 will essentially be companion pieces - almost a two parter (separated twins, one could almost say - heh). 

 

I'm beginning to think the whole of TAB works on two layers - as a stand-alone of sorts and as Sherlock's subconscious trying to awaken him to Eurus, what happened, and the effect it has had on his life: "We all have a past, Watson.  Ghosts.  They are the shadows which define our every sunny day"..."What made you like this?" "Oh, Watson.  Nothing made me.  I made me.  (Sound of a dog comes from nowhere, causing Sherlock to frown in confusion)  Redbeard?" 

 

[Arcadia]

Soooo ... tonight the long wait begins again ...

[Pamela]

Soooo ... tonight the long wait begins again ...

Or it may be the end.

[Pseudonym]

Hang on guys, this is likely where we're headed. 

 

 

Everyone got their blankeys ready?

[Redbeard]

Tonight's the night!  It's Christmas!  :xmas:

[Janine M. Adler]

TLD is the best episode for season 4 so far. It really holds the actual spirit of the show. 

 

I have just seen TFP, but I don't want to spoil it, though I need a few more viewing before understanding the whole story. It is too complex. I liked the ending, not the most part of the episode. Yet TLD is the best one for this season for my opinion. It holds the real essence of the series. I mildly like T6T, but still TLD is the best. But yeah, I guess there will be no hiatus. It seems too final for me.